From: Mike Rapoport <rppt@kernel.org>
To: Pasha Tatashin <pasha.tatashin@soleen.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 02/20] liveupdate: luo_core: integrate with KHO
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2025 21:16:08 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <aRoi-Pb8jnjaZp0X@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+CK2bDu2FdzyotSwBpGwQtiisv=3f6gC7DzOpebPCxmmpwMYw@mail.gmail.com>
On Sun, Nov 16, 2025 at 09:55:30AM -0500, Pasha Tatashin wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 16, 2025 at 7:43 AM Mike Rapoport <rppt@kernel.org> wrote:
> >
> > > +static int __init liveupdate_early_init(void)
> > > +{
> > > + int err;
> > > +
> > > + err = luo_early_startup();
> > > + if (err) {
> > > + pr_err("The incoming tree failed to initialize properly [%pe], disabling live update\n",
> > > + ERR_PTR(err));
> >
> > How do we report this to the userspace?
> > I think the decision what to do in this case belongs there. Even if it's
> > down to choosing between plain kexec and full reboot, it's still a policy
> > that should be implemented in userspace.
>
> I agree that policy belongs in userspace, and that is how we designed
> it. In this specific failure case (ABI mismatch or corrupt FDT), the
> preserved state is unrecoverable by the kernel. We cannot parse the
> incoming data, so we cannot offer it to userspace.
>
> We report this state by not registering the /dev/liveupdate device.
> When the userspace agent attempts to initialize, it receives ENOENT.
> At that point, the agent exercises its policy:
>
> - Check dmesg for the specific error and report the failure to the
> fleet control plane.
Hmm, this is not nice. I think we still should register /dev/liveupdate and
let userspace discover this error via /dev/liveupdate ABIs.
> - Trigger a fresh (kexec or cold) reboot to reset unreclaimable resources.
>
> Pasha
>
--
Sincerely yours,
Mike.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-11-16 19:16 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 106+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-11-15 23:33 [PATCH v6 00/20] Live Update Orchestrator Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-15 23:33 ` [PATCH v6 01/20] liveupdate: luo_core: luo_ioctl: " Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-17 2:54 ` Andrew Morton
2025-11-17 14:27 ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-18 15:45 ` Pratyush Yadav
2025-11-18 16:11 ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-15 23:33 ` [PATCH v6 02/20] liveupdate: luo_core: integrate with KHO Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-16 12:43 ` Mike Rapoport
2025-11-16 14:55 ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-16 19:16 ` Mike Rapoport [this message]
2025-11-17 18:29 ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-17 21:05 ` Mike Rapoport
2025-11-18 4:22 ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-18 11:21 ` Mike Rapoport
2025-11-18 14:03 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-11-18 15:06 ` Mike Rapoport
2025-11-18 15:18 ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-18 15:36 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-11-18 15:46 ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-18 16:15 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-11-18 22:07 ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-18 23:25 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-11-19 3:03 ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-24 19:08 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-11-15 23:33 ` [PATCH v6 03/20] kexec: call liveupdate_reboot() before kexec Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-16 12:44 ` Mike Rapoport
2025-11-21 15:55 ` Pratyush Yadav
2025-11-15 23:33 ` [PATCH v6 04/20] liveupdate: luo_session: add sessions support Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-16 17:05 ` Mike Rapoport
2025-11-17 15:09 ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-17 21:11 ` Mike Rapoport
2025-11-18 4:28 ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-21 16:32 ` Pratyush Yadav
2025-11-21 21:30 ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-15 23:33 ` [PATCH v6 05/20] liveupdate: luo_ioctl: add user interface Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-16 17:15 ` Mike Rapoport
2025-11-17 14:22 ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-20 18:37 ` David Matlack
2025-11-20 19:22 ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-20 19:42 ` David Matlack
2025-11-20 20:13 ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-21 16:45 ` Pratyush Yadav
2025-11-15 23:33 ` [PATCH v6 06/20] liveupdate: luo_file: implement file systems callbacks Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-16 18:15 ` Mike Rapoport
2025-11-17 17:50 ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-20 17:20 ` Mike Rapoport
2025-11-20 20:25 ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-18 17:38 ` David Matlack
2025-11-18 17:43 ` Pratyush Yadav
2025-11-18 17:58 ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-18 18:17 ` Pratyush Yadav
2025-11-18 19:09 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-11-18 19:31 ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-21 17:24 ` Pratyush Yadav
2025-11-15 23:33 ` [PATCH v6 07/20] liveupdate: luo_session: Add ioctls for file preservation Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-16 18:25 ` Mike Rapoport
2025-11-18 2:58 ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-15 23:33 ` [PATCH v6 08/20] liveupdate: luo_flb: Introduce File-Lifecycle-Bound global state Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-17 9:39 ` Mike Rapoport
2025-11-18 3:54 ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-18 11:28 ` Mike Rapoport
2025-11-18 15:37 ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-20 18:50 ` Mike Rapoport
2025-11-20 19:10 ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-15 23:33 ` [PATCH v6 09/20] docs: add luo documentation Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-15 23:33 ` [PATCH v6 10/20] MAINTAINERS: add liveupdate entry Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-17 9:40 ` Mike Rapoport
2025-11-17 18:20 ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-15 23:33 ` [PATCH v6 11/20] mm: shmem: use SHMEM_F_* flags instead of VM_* flags Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-17 9:48 ` Mike Rapoport
2025-11-17 18:25 ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-15 23:33 ` [PATCH v6 12/20] mm: shmem: allow freezing inode mapping Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-17 10:08 ` Mike Rapoport
2025-11-18 4:13 ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-24 15:06 ` Pratyush Yadav
2025-11-15 23:33 ` [PATCH v6 13/20] mm: shmem: export some functions to internal.h Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-17 10:14 ` Mike Rapoport
2025-11-17 18:43 ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-15 23:34 ` [PATCH v6 14/20] liveupdate: luo_file: add private argument to store runtime state Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-17 10:15 ` Mike Rapoport
2025-11-17 18:45 ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-15 23:34 ` [PATCH v6 15/20] mm: memfd_luo: allow preserving memfd Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-17 11:03 ` Mike Rapoport
2025-11-19 21:56 ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-20 15:34 ` Pratyush Yadav
2025-11-15 23:34 ` [PATCH v6 16/20] docs: add documentation for memfd preservation via LUO Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-15 23:34 ` [PATCH v6 17/20] selftests/liveupdate: Add userspace API selftests Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-17 19:38 ` David Matlack
2025-11-17 20:16 ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-15 23:34 ` [PATCH v6 18/20] selftests/liveupdate: Add kexec-based selftest for session lifecycle Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-16 18:53 ` Zhu Yanjun
2025-11-17 18:23 ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-17 19:27 ` David Matlack
2025-11-17 20:08 ` David Matlack
2025-11-17 21:06 ` David Matlack
2025-11-18 1:01 ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-18 0:06 ` David Matlack
2025-11-18 1:08 ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-19 21:20 ` David Matlack
2025-11-19 22:12 ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-15 23:34 ` [PATCH v6 19/20] selftests/liveupdate: Add kexec test for multiple and empty sessions Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-15 23:34 ` [PATCH v6 20/20] tests/liveupdate: Add in-kernel liveupdate test Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-17 11:13 ` Mike Rapoport
2025-11-17 19:00 ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-18 11:30 ` Mike Rapoport
2025-11-18 18:56 ` Pasha Tatashin
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