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From: Pratyush Yadav <pratyush@kernel.org>
To: Pasha Tatashin <pasha.tatashin@soleen.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 01/20] liveupdate: luo_core: luo_ioctl: Live Update Orchestrator
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2025 16:45:57 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <mafs0ecpv4a4q.fsf@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20251115233409.768044-2-pasha.tatashin@soleen.com> (Pasha Tatashin's message of "Sat, 15 Nov 2025 18:33:47 -0500")

On Sat, Nov 15 2025, Pasha Tatashin wrote:

> Introduce LUO, a mechanism intended to facilitate kernel updates while
> keeping designated devices operational across the transition (e.g., via
> kexec). The primary use case is updating hypervisors with minimal
> disruption to running virtual machines. For userspace side of hypervisor
> update we have copyless migration. LUO is for updating the kernel.
>
> This initial patch lays the groundwork for the LUO subsystem.
>
> Further functionality, including the implementation of state transition
> logic, integration with KHO, and hooks for subsystems and file
> descriptors, will be added in subsequent patches.
>
> Create a character device at /dev/liveupdate.
>
> A new uAPI header, <uapi/linux/liveupdate.h>, will define the necessary
> structures. The magic number for IOCTL is registered in
> Documentation/userspace-api/ioctl/ioctl-number.rst.
>
> Signed-off-by: Pasha Tatashin <pasha.tatashin@soleen.com>
[...]
> diff --git a/kernel/liveupdate/luo_core.c b/kernel/liveupdate/luo_core.c
> new file mode 100644
> index 000000000000..0e1ab19fa1cd
> --- /dev/null
> +++ b/kernel/liveupdate/luo_core.c
> @@ -0,0 +1,86 @@
> +// SPDX-License-Identifier: GPL-2.0
> +
> +/*
> + * Copyright (c) 2025, Google LLC.
> + * Pasha Tatashin <pasha.tatashin@soleen.com>
> + */
> +
> +/**
> + * DOC: Live Update Orchestrator (LUO)
> + *
> + * Live Update is a specialized, kexec-based reboot process that allows a
> + * running kernel to be updated from one version to another while preserving
> + * the state of selected resources and keeping designated hardware devices
> + * operational. For these devices, DMA activity may continue throughout the
> + * kernel transition.
> + *
> + * While the primary use case driving this work is supporting live updates of
> + * the Linux kernel when it is used as a hypervisor in cloud environments, the
> + * LUO framework itself is designed to be workload-agnostic. Much like Kernel
> + * Live Patching, which applies security fixes regardless of the workload,
> + * Live Update facilitates a full kernel version upgrade for any type of system.

Nit: I think live update is very different from live patching. It has
very different limitations and advantages. In fact, I view live patching
and live update on two opposite ends of the "applying security patches"
spectrum. I think this line is going to mislead or confuse people.

I think it would better to either spend more lines explaining the
difference between the two, or just drop it from here.

> + *
> + * For example, a non-hypervisor system running an in-memory cache like
> + * memcached with many gigabytes of data can use LUO. The userspace service
> + * can place its cache into a memfd, have its state preserved by LUO, and
> + * restore it immediately after the kernel kexec.
> + *
> + * Whether the system is running virtual machines, containers, a
> + * high-performance database, or networking services, LUO's primary goal is to
> + * enable a full kernel update by preserving critical userspace state and
> + * keeping essential devices operational.
> + *
> + * The core of LUO is a mechanism that tracks the progress of a live update,
> + * along with a callback API that allows other kernel subsystems to participate
> + * in the process. Example subsystems that can hook into LUO include: kvm,
> + * iommu, interrupts, vfio, participating filesystems, and memory management.
> + *
> + * LUO uses Kexec Handover to transfer memory state from the current kernel to
> + * the next kernel. For more details see
> + * Documentation/core-api/kho/concepts.rst.
> + */
> +
[...]
> diff --git a/kernel/liveupdate/luo_ioctl.c b/kernel/liveupdate/luo_ioctl.c
> new file mode 100644
> index 000000000000..44d365185f7c
> --- /dev/null
> +++ b/kernel/liveupdate/luo_ioctl.c
[...]
> +MODULE_LICENSE("GPL");
> +MODULE_AUTHOR("Pasha Tatashin");
> +MODULE_DESCRIPTION("Live Update Orchestrator");
> +MODULE_VERSION("0.1");

Nit: do we really need the module version? I don't think LUO can even be
used as a module. What does this number mean then?

Other than these two nitpicks,

Reviewed-by: Pratyush Yadav <pratyush@kernel.org>

-- 
Regards,
Pratyush Yadav

  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-11-18 15:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 106+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-11-15 23:33 [PATCH v6 00/20] Live Update Orchestrator Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-15 23:33 ` [PATCH v6 01/20] liveupdate: luo_core: luo_ioctl: " Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-17  2:54   ` Andrew Morton
2025-11-17 14:27     ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-18 15:45   ` Pratyush Yadav [this message]
2025-11-18 16:11     ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-15 23:33 ` [PATCH v6 02/20] liveupdate: luo_core: integrate with KHO Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-16 12:43   ` Mike Rapoport
2025-11-16 14:55     ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-16 19:16       ` Mike Rapoport
2025-11-17 18:29         ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-17 21:05           ` Mike Rapoport
2025-11-18  4:22             ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-18 11:21               ` Mike Rapoport
2025-11-18 14:03                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-11-18 15:06                   ` Mike Rapoport
2025-11-18 15:18                     ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-18 15:36                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-11-18 15:46                         ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-18 16:15                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-11-18 22:07                             ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-18 23:25                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-11-19  3:03                                 ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-24 19:08                                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-11-15 23:33 ` [PATCH v6 03/20] kexec: call liveupdate_reboot() before kexec Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-16 12:44   ` Mike Rapoport
2025-11-21 15:55   ` Pratyush Yadav
2025-11-15 23:33 ` [PATCH v6 04/20] liveupdate: luo_session: add sessions support Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-16 17:05   ` Mike Rapoport
2025-11-17 15:09     ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-17 21:11       ` Mike Rapoport
2025-11-18  4:28         ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-21 16:32   ` Pratyush Yadav
2025-11-21 21:30     ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-15 23:33 ` [PATCH v6 05/20] liveupdate: luo_ioctl: add user interface Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-16 17:15   ` Mike Rapoport
2025-11-17 14:22     ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-20 18:37   ` David Matlack
2025-11-20 19:22     ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-20 19:42       ` David Matlack
2025-11-20 20:13         ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-21 16:45   ` Pratyush Yadav
2025-11-15 23:33 ` [PATCH v6 06/20] liveupdate: luo_file: implement file systems callbacks Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-16 18:15   ` Mike Rapoport
2025-11-17 17:50     ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-20 17:20       ` Mike Rapoport
2025-11-20 20:25         ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-18 17:38   ` David Matlack
2025-11-18 17:43     ` Pratyush Yadav
2025-11-18 17:58       ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-18 18:17         ` Pratyush Yadav
2025-11-18 19:09         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-11-18 19:31           ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-21 17:24   ` Pratyush Yadav
2025-11-15 23:33 ` [PATCH v6 07/20] liveupdate: luo_session: Add ioctls for file preservation Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-16 18:25   ` Mike Rapoport
2025-11-18  2:58     ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-15 23:33 ` [PATCH v6 08/20] liveupdate: luo_flb: Introduce File-Lifecycle-Bound global state Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-17  9:39   ` Mike Rapoport
2025-11-18  3:54     ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-18 11:28       ` Mike Rapoport
2025-11-18 15:37         ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-20 18:50           ` Mike Rapoport
2025-11-20 19:10             ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-15 23:33 ` [PATCH v6 09/20] docs: add luo documentation Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-15 23:33 ` [PATCH v6 10/20] MAINTAINERS: add liveupdate entry Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-17  9:40   ` Mike Rapoport
2025-11-17 18:20     ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-15 23:33 ` [PATCH v6 11/20] mm: shmem: use SHMEM_F_* flags instead of VM_* flags Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-17  9:48   ` Mike Rapoport
2025-11-17 18:25     ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-15 23:33 ` [PATCH v6 12/20] mm: shmem: allow freezing inode mapping Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-17 10:08   ` Mike Rapoport
2025-11-18  4:13     ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-24 15:06     ` Pratyush Yadav
2025-11-15 23:33 ` [PATCH v6 13/20] mm: shmem: export some functions to internal.h Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-17 10:14   ` Mike Rapoport
2025-11-17 18:43     ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-15 23:34 ` [PATCH v6 14/20] liveupdate: luo_file: add private argument to store runtime state Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-17 10:15   ` Mike Rapoport
2025-11-17 18:45     ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-15 23:34 ` [PATCH v6 15/20] mm: memfd_luo: allow preserving memfd Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-17 11:03   ` Mike Rapoport
2025-11-19 21:56     ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-20 15:34       ` Pratyush Yadav
2025-11-15 23:34 ` [PATCH v6 16/20] docs: add documentation for memfd preservation via LUO Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-15 23:34 ` [PATCH v6 17/20] selftests/liveupdate: Add userspace API selftests Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-17 19:38   ` David Matlack
2025-11-17 20:16     ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-15 23:34 ` [PATCH v6 18/20] selftests/liveupdate: Add kexec-based selftest for session lifecycle Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-16 18:53   ` Zhu Yanjun
2025-11-17 18:23     ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-17 19:27   ` David Matlack
2025-11-17 20:08     ` David Matlack
2025-11-17 21:06       ` David Matlack
2025-11-18  1:01         ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-18  0:06   ` David Matlack
2025-11-18  1:08     ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-19 21:20   ` David Matlack
2025-11-19 22:12     ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-15 23:34 ` [PATCH v6 19/20] selftests/liveupdate: Add kexec test for multiple and empty sessions Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-15 23:34 ` [PATCH v6 20/20] tests/liveupdate: Add in-kernel liveupdate test Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-17 11:13   ` Mike Rapoport
2025-11-17 19:00     ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-18 11:30       ` Mike Rapoport
2025-11-18 18:56         ` Pasha Tatashin

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