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From: Jaegeuk Kim via Linux-f2fs-devel <linux-f2fs-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>
To: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>
Cc: linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-f2fs-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [f2fs-dev] [PATCH 3/4] mm/readahead: add a_ops->ra_folio_order to get a desired folio order
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2025 01:33:01 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aS5Bzd4jxuDjjCn5@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aS4K3jGkJErj94R_@casper.infradead.org>

On 12/01, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 01, 2025 at 09:24:41PM +0000, Jaegeuk Kim wrote:
> > On 12/01, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
> > > On Mon, Dec 01, 2025 at 09:01:26PM +0000, Jaegeuk Kim wrote:
> > > > This patch introduces a new address operation, a_ops->ra_folio_order(), which
> > > > proposes a new folio order based on the adjusted order for page_cache_sync_ra.
> > > > 
> > > > Hence, each filesystem can set the desired minimum order of folio allocation
> > > > when requesting fadvise(POSIX_FADV_WILLNEED).
> > > 
> > > Again, you've said what but not why.  Does the mm code not ramp up the
> > > folio order sufficiently quickly?  What are you trying to accomplish?
> > 
> > That's why I posted a series of the patches to provide more details. Could you
> > please check the last patch in the series to show fadvise() does not increase
> > the folio order?
> > 
> > https://lore.kernel.org/linux-f2fs-devel/20251201210152.909339-5-jaegeuk@kernel.org/T/#u
> 
> So what you're trying to say is that readahead() currently only uses
> order-0 pages and you want it to use larger order pages?  I agree with
> that!  But I don't think this is the way to do it.  We should just use
> larger order allocations, always.  None of this "call the filesystem,
> check a sysfs parameter".  Just use the largest order page that fits.

I got that, and posted v2.

Thanks,


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From: Jaegeuk Kim <jaegeuk@kernel.org>
To: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-f2fs-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/4] mm/readahead: add a_ops->ra_folio_order to get a desired folio order
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2025 01:33:01 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aS5Bzd4jxuDjjCn5@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aS4K3jGkJErj94R_@casper.infradead.org>

On 12/01, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 01, 2025 at 09:24:41PM +0000, Jaegeuk Kim wrote:
> > On 12/01, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
> > > On Mon, Dec 01, 2025 at 09:01:26PM +0000, Jaegeuk Kim wrote:
> > > > This patch introduces a new address operation, a_ops->ra_folio_order(), which
> > > > proposes a new folio order based on the adjusted order for page_cache_sync_ra.
> > > > 
> > > > Hence, each filesystem can set the desired minimum order of folio allocation
> > > > when requesting fadvise(POSIX_FADV_WILLNEED).
> > > 
> > > Again, you've said what but not why.  Does the mm code not ramp up the
> > > folio order sufficiently quickly?  What are you trying to accomplish?
> > 
> > That's why I posted a series of the patches to provide more details. Could you
> > please check the last patch in the series to show fadvise() does not increase
> > the folio order?
> > 
> > https://lore.kernel.org/linux-f2fs-devel/20251201210152.909339-5-jaegeuk@kernel.org/T/#u
> 
> So what you're trying to say is that readahead() currently only uses
> order-0 pages and you want it to use larger order pages?  I agree with
> that!  But I don't think this is the way to do it.  We should just use
> larger order allocations, always.  None of this "call the filesystem,
> check a sysfs parameter".  Just use the largest order page that fits.

I got that, and posted v2.

Thanks,


  reply	other threads:[~2025-12-02  1:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-12-01 21:01 [f2fs-dev] [PATCH RESEND 0/4] improve fadvise(POSIX_FADV_WILLNEED) with large folio Jaegeuk Kim via Linux-f2fs-devel
2025-12-01 21:01 ` Jaegeuk Kim
2025-12-01 21:01 ` [f2fs-dev] [PATCH 1/4] mm/readahead: fix the broken readahead for POSIX_FADV_WILLNEED Jaegeuk Kim via Linux-f2fs-devel
2025-12-01 21:01   ` Jaegeuk Kim
2025-12-01 21:24   ` [f2fs-dev] " Chao Yu via Linux-f2fs-devel
2025-12-01 21:24     ` Chao Yu
2025-12-01 21:01 ` [f2fs-dev] [PATCH 2/4] mm/readahead: use page_cache_sync_ra for FADVISE_FAV_WILLNEED Jaegeuk Kim via Linux-f2fs-devel
2025-12-01 21:01   ` Jaegeuk Kim
2025-12-01 21:01 ` [f2fs-dev] [PATCH 3/4] mm/readahead: add a_ops->ra_folio_order to get a desired folio order Jaegeuk Kim via Linux-f2fs-devel
2025-12-01 21:01   ` Jaegeuk Kim
2025-12-01 21:20   ` [f2fs-dev] " Matthew Wilcox
2025-12-01 21:20     ` Matthew Wilcox
2025-12-01 21:24     ` [f2fs-dev] " Jaegeuk Kim via Linux-f2fs-devel
2025-12-01 21:24       ` Jaegeuk Kim
2025-12-01 21:38       ` [f2fs-dev] " Matthew Wilcox
2025-12-01 21:38         ` Matthew Wilcox
2025-12-02  1:33         ` Jaegeuk Kim via Linux-f2fs-devel [this message]
2025-12-02  1:33           ` Jaegeuk Kim
2025-12-01 21:01 ` [f2fs-dev] [PATCH 4/4] f2fs: attach a_ops->ra_folio_order to allocate large folios for readahead Jaegeuk Kim via Linux-f2fs-devel
2025-12-01 21:01   ` Jaegeuk Kim
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2025-12-01 19:16 [f2fs-dev] [PATCH 0/4] improve fadvise(POSIX_FADV_WILLNEED) with large folio Jaegeuk Kim via Linux-f2fs-devel
2025-12-01 19:16 ` [f2fs-dev] [PATCH 3/4] mm/readahead: add a_ops->ra_folio_order to get a desired folio order Jaegeuk Kim via Linux-f2fs-devel

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