From: Jaegeuk Kim via Linux-f2fs-devel <linux-f2fs-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>
To: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>
Cc: Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
linux-f2fs-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [f2fs-dev] [PATCH] [RFC] mm/fadvise: introduce POSIX_FADV_MLOCK
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2025 19:52:02 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <aSDC4jlaKSaKgbvc@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aSCpKx9ITAJfoSlw@google.com>
On 11/21, Jaegeuk Kim wrote:
> On 11/21, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
> > On Fri, Nov 21, 2025 at 04:46:14AM +0000, Jaegeuk Kim wrote:
> > > On 11/21, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
> > > > On Fri, Nov 21, 2025 at 03:27:18AM +0000, Jaegeuk Kim wrote:
> > > > > This patch introduces a new POSIX_FADV_MLOCK which 1) invalidates the range of
> > > > > cached pages, 2) sets the mapping as inaccessible, 3) POSIX_FADV_WILLNEED loads
> > > > > pages directly to the inaccessible mapping.
> > > >
> > > > ... what?
> > > >
> > > > This seems like something which is completely different from mlock().
> > > > So it needs a different name.
> > > >
> > > > But I don't understand the point of this, whatever it's called. Need
> > > > more information.
> > >
> > > So, the sequence that I'd like to optimize is mmap(MAP_POPULATE) followed
> > > by mlock(). For example, mmap() takes 1 second to load 4GB data, and mlock()
> > > takes 330ms additionally in order to migrate all the pages into inaccessible
> > > map, IIUC.
> >
> > Oh, so the MLOCK part is right, but the inaccessible() part is wrong.
> > Inaccessible is special weird guest_memfd crap that has all kinds of
> > side-effects that you don't want.
> >
> > Wouldn't you get the same effect by calling mlock2(MLOCK_ONFAULT) and
> > then calling readahead() for the desired range?
>
> Oh, thank you. Let me try.
After checking the code and experiment, I don't think that gives what we need.
That flag skips populate_vma_page_range only, but we need to allocate pages
in the inaccessible mapping and fill the pages afterwards.
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From: Jaegeuk Kim <jaegeuk@kernel.org>
To: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
linux-f2fs-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] [RFC] mm/fadvise: introduce POSIX_FADV_MLOCK
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2025 19:52:02 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <aSDC4jlaKSaKgbvc@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aSCpKx9ITAJfoSlw@google.com>
On 11/21, Jaegeuk Kim wrote:
> On 11/21, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
> > On Fri, Nov 21, 2025 at 04:46:14AM +0000, Jaegeuk Kim wrote:
> > > On 11/21, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
> > > > On Fri, Nov 21, 2025 at 03:27:18AM +0000, Jaegeuk Kim wrote:
> > > > > This patch introduces a new POSIX_FADV_MLOCK which 1) invalidates the range of
> > > > > cached pages, 2) sets the mapping as inaccessible, 3) POSIX_FADV_WILLNEED loads
> > > > > pages directly to the inaccessible mapping.
> > > >
> > > > ... what?
> > > >
> > > > This seems like something which is completely different from mlock().
> > > > So it needs a different name.
> > > >
> > > > But I don't understand the point of this, whatever it's called. Need
> > > > more information.
> > >
> > > So, the sequence that I'd like to optimize is mmap(MAP_POPULATE) followed
> > > by mlock(). For example, mmap() takes 1 second to load 4GB data, and mlock()
> > > takes 330ms additionally in order to migrate all the pages into inaccessible
> > > map, IIUC.
> >
> > Oh, so the MLOCK part is right, but the inaccessible() part is wrong.
> > Inaccessible is special weird guest_memfd crap that has all kinds of
> > side-effects that you don't want.
> >
> > Wouldn't you get the same effect by calling mlock2(MLOCK_ONFAULT) and
> > then calling readahead() for the desired range?
>
> Oh, thank you. Let me try.
After checking the code and experiment, I don't think that gives what we need.
That flag skips populate_vma_page_range only, but we need to allocate pages
in the inaccessible mapping and fill the pages afterwards.
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Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-11-21 3:27 [f2fs-dev] [PATCH] [RFC] mm/fadvise: introduce POSIX_FADV_MLOCK Jaegeuk Kim via Linux-f2fs-devel
2025-11-21 3:27 ` Jaegeuk Kim
2025-11-21 4:22 ` [f2fs-dev] " Matthew Wilcox
2025-11-21 4:22 ` Matthew Wilcox
2025-11-21 4:46 ` [f2fs-dev] " Jaegeuk Kim via Linux-f2fs-devel
2025-11-21 4:46 ` Jaegeuk Kim
2025-11-21 14:27 ` [f2fs-dev] " Matthew Wilcox
2025-11-21 14:27 ` Matthew Wilcox
2025-11-21 18:02 ` [f2fs-dev] " Jaegeuk Kim via Linux-f2fs-devel
2025-11-21 18:02 ` Jaegeuk Kim
2025-11-21 19:52 ` Jaegeuk Kim via Linux-f2fs-devel [this message]
2025-11-21 19:52 ` Jaegeuk Kim
2025-11-21 19:58 ` [f2fs-dev] " Matthew Wilcox
2025-11-21 19:58 ` Matthew Wilcox
2025-11-21 21:32 ` [f2fs-dev] " Jaegeuk Kim via Linux-f2fs-devel
2025-11-21 21:32 ` Jaegeuk Kim
2025-11-22 2:47 ` [f2fs-dev] " Matthew Wilcox
2025-11-22 2:47 ` Matthew Wilcox
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