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From: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>
To: Dmitry Ilvokhin <d@ilvokhin.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	David Hildenbrand <david@kernel.org>,
	Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>,
	"Liam R. Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@oracle.com>,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>, Mike Rapoport <rppt@kernel.org>,
	Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>,
	Axel Rasmussen <axelrasmussen@google.com>,
	Yuanchu Xie <yuanchu@google.com>, Wei Xu <weixugc@google.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Masami Hiramatsu <mhiramat@kernel.org>,
	Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org>,
	Pavel Machek <pavel@kernel.org>, Len Brown <lenb@kernel.org>,
	Brendan Jackman <jackmanb@google.com>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>, Zi Yan <ziy@nvidia.com>,
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	Qi Zheng <zhengqi.arch@bytedance.com>,
	Shakeel Butt <shakeel.butt@linux.dev>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-trace-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-pm@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 0/5] mm: zone lock tracepoint instrumentation
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2026 14:47:29 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aa7dgQDMEz34eadj@casper.infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aa7XdpIVtLFS3FIu@shell.ilvokhin.com>

On Mon, Mar 09, 2026 at 02:21:42PM +0000, Dmitry Ilvokhin wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 09, 2026 at 01:10:46PM +0000, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
> > On Fri, Feb 27, 2026 at 04:00:22PM +0000, Dmitry Ilvokhin wrote:
> > > This patch series adds dedicated tracepoint instrumentation to
> > > zone lock, following the existing mmap_lock tracing model.
> > 
> > I don't like this at all.  We have CONFIG_LOCK_STAT.  That should be
> > improved insted of coming up with one-offs for every single lock
> > that someone deems "special".
> 
> Thanks for the feedback, Matthew.
> 
> CONFIG_LOCK_STAT provides useful statistics, but it is primarily a
> debug facility and is generally too heavyweight for the production
> environments.

Yes, agreed.  I think that is what needs to change.

> The motivation for this series was to provide lightweight observability
> for the zone lock in production workloads.

I read that.  But first it was the mmap lock.  Now it's the zone lock.
Which lock will be next?  This is too heavyweight a procedure to
follow for each lock of interest.

> I agree that improving generic lock instrumentation would be preferable.
> I did consider whether something similar could be done generically for
> spinlocks, but the unlock path there is typically just a single atomic
> store, so adding generic lightweight instrumentation without affecting
> the fast path is difficult.

This is why we have tracepoint_enabled() and friends.  But ... LOCK_STAT
doesn't affect the unlock path at all.  It only changes the acquire side
to call lock_acquired() (and lock_contended() if the trylock failed).

> In parallel, I've been experimenting with improving observability for
> sleepable locks by adding a contended_release tracepoint, which would
> allow correlating lock holders and waiters in a more generic way. I've
> posted an RFC here:
> 
> https://lore.kernel.org/all/cover.1772642407.git.d@ilvokhin.com/
> 
> I'd appreciate feedback on whether that direction makes sense for
> improving the generic lock tracing infrastructure.

It seems fine to me, but I don't have the depth in the locking code to
give it the thorough review it deserves.


  reply	other threads:[~2026-03-09 14:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-02-27 16:00 [PATCH v4 0/5] mm: zone lock tracepoint instrumentation Dmitry Ilvokhin
2026-02-27 16:00 ` [PATCH v4 1/5] mm: introduce zone lock wrappers Dmitry Ilvokhin
2026-02-27 20:36   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-02-28  1:13   ` Zi Yan
2026-02-28 16:23   ` SeongJae Park
2026-03-02 13:34   ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-02-27 16:00 ` [PATCH v4 2/5] mm: convert zone lock users to wrappers Dmitry Ilvokhin
2026-02-27 20:39   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-02 15:22     ` Dmitry Ilvokhin
2026-02-28  1:14   ` Zi Yan
2026-03-02 13:42   ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-02-27 16:00 ` [PATCH v4 3/5] mm: convert compaction to zone lock wrappers Dmitry Ilvokhin
2026-02-27 20:39   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-02-28  1:16   ` Zi Yan
2026-02-28 16:31   ` SeongJae Park
2026-03-02 14:02   ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-02-27 16:00 ` [PATCH v4 4/5] mm: rename zone->lock to zone->_lock Dmitry Ilvokhin
2026-02-27 20:40   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-02-28  1:17   ` Zi Yan
2026-03-02 14:10   ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-03-02 22:37     ` Andrew Morton
2026-03-03 14:25       ` Dmitry Ilvokhin
2026-03-04  1:50         ` SeongJae Park
2026-03-04 13:01           ` Dmitry Ilvokhin
2026-03-04 15:13             ` SeongJae Park
2026-03-04 15:17               ` SeongJae Park
2026-03-05  9:27               ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-03-05 14:55                 ` SeongJae Park
2026-03-05 18:16                 ` Dmitry Ilvokhin
2026-03-05 18:59                   ` Dmitry Ilvokhin
2026-03-06  1:20                     ` SeongJae Park
2026-03-06  8:05                     ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-03-06 10:30   ` Pedro Falcato
2026-02-27 16:00 ` [PATCH v4 5/5] mm: add tracepoints for zone lock Dmitry Ilvokhin
2026-02-27 19:46   ` Steven Rostedt
2026-03-02 15:18     ` Dmitry Ilvokhin
2026-03-02 14:16   ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-03-09 13:10 ` [PATCH v4 0/5] mm: zone lock tracepoint instrumentation Matthew Wilcox
2026-03-09 14:21   ` Dmitry Ilvokhin
2026-03-09 14:47     ` Matthew Wilcox [this message]
2026-03-09 19:13       ` Steven Rostedt
2026-03-09 20:45         ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-03-09 21:17           ` Steven Rostedt
2026-03-16 17:40             ` Dmitry Ilvokhin
2026-03-19 13:22               ` Dmitry Ilvokhin
2026-03-24 23:39                 ` Andrew Morton
2026-03-25 12:14                   ` Dmitry Ilvokhin
2026-03-25 14:19                     ` Steven Rostedt

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