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From: Boqun Feng <boqun@kernel.org>
To: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@kernel.org>
Cc: Joel Fernandes <joelagnelf@nvidia.com>,
	Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi <memxor@gmail.com>,
	Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <bigeasy@linutronix.de>,
	frederic@kernel.org, neeraj.iitr10@gmail.com, urezki@gmail.com,
	boqun.feng@gmail.com, rcu@vger.kernel.org,
	Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,
	bpf@vger.kernel.org, Alexei Starovoitov <ast@kernel.org>,
	Daniel Borkmann <daniel@iogearbox.net>,
	John Fastabend <john.fastabend@gmail.com>,
	Andrea Righi <arighi@nvidia.com>, Zqiang <qiang.zhang@linux.dev>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] rcu: Use an intermediate irq_work to start process_srcu()
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2026 12:45:27 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ab71Vz9zmlVywWQT@tardis.local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <609b5df1-aa06-46a9-8e93-0bf9eb8b7738@paulmck-laptop>

On Sat, Mar 21, 2026 at 12:31:04PM -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 21, 2026 at 11:06:59AM -0700, Boqun Feng wrote:
> > On Sat, Mar 21, 2026 at 10:41:47AM -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > [...]
> > > > > +	raw_spin_lock_rcu_node(ssp->srcu_sup);
> > > > > +	delay = srcu_get_delay(ssp);
> > > > > +	raw_spin_unlock_rcu_node(ssp->srcu_sup);
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > It was fixed differently in v2:
> > > > 
> > > > 	https://lore.kernel.org/rcu/20260320222916.19987-1-boqun@kernel.org/
> > > > 
> > > > I used _irqsave/_irqrestore just in case. Given it's an urgent fix,
> > > > overly careful code is probably fine ;-)
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks for the testing and feedback.
> > > 
> > > OK, I will try that one, thank you!
> > > 
> > > FYI, with my change on your earlier version, SRCU-T got deadlocks between
> > > the pi-lock and the workqueue pool lock.  Which might or might not be
> > > particularly urgent.
> > > 
> > 
> > I just checked my run yesterday, I also hit it. It's probably what
> > Zqiang has found:
> > 
> > 	https://lore.kernel.org/rcu/4c23c66f86a2aff8f2d7b759f9dd257b82147a17@linux.dev/
> > 
> > We have a queue_work_on() in srcu_schedule_cbs_sdp(), so
> > 
> >     srcu_torture_deferred_free():
> >       raw_spin_lock_irqsave(->pi_lock,...);
> >       call_srcu():
> >         if (snp == snp_leaf && snp_seq != s) {
> >            srcu_schedule_cbs_sdp(sdp, do_norm ? SRCU_INTERVAL : 0):
> > 	     if (!delay)
> >                queue_work_on(...)
> > 
> > I was about to reply to Zqiang, fixing that could be a touch design
> > decision. Since it's a per srcu_data work ;-) NR_CPUS x irq_work
> > incoming.
> 
> Just to be clear, SRCU-T is Tiny SRCU rather than Tree SRCU.  So perhaps
> lower priority, though perhaps not lower irritation.  ;-)
> 

I see, there is a schedule_work() in srcutiny's
srcu_gp_start_if_needed(). But it couldn't cause deadlock on UP since
locks are (almost) no-op. Maybe we can make RCU torture only test it on
SMP?

Regards,
Boqun

> 							Thanx, Paul

  reply	other threads:[~2026-03-21 19:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 101+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-03-17 13:34 Next-level bug in SRCU implementation of RCU Tasks Trace + PREEMPT_RT Paul E. McKenney
2026-03-18 10:50 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2026-03-18 11:49   ` Paul E. McKenney
2026-03-18 14:43     ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2026-03-18 15:43       ` Paul E. McKenney
2026-03-18 16:04         ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2026-03-18 16:32           ` Paul E. McKenney
2026-03-18 16:42             ` Boqun Feng
2026-03-18 18:45               ` Paul E. McKenney
2026-03-18 16:47             ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2026-03-18 18:48               ` Paul E. McKenney
2026-03-19  8:55                 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2026-03-19 10:05                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2026-03-19 10:43                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2026-03-19 10:51                       ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2026-03-18 15:51       ` Boqun Feng
2026-03-18 18:42         ` Paul E. McKenney
2026-03-18 20:04           ` Joel Fernandes
2026-03-18 20:11             ` Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2026-03-18 20:25               ` Joel Fernandes
2026-03-18 21:52             ` Boqun Feng
2026-03-18 21:55               ` Boqun Feng
2026-03-18 22:15                 ` Boqun Feng
2026-03-18 22:52                   ` Joel Fernandes
2026-03-18 23:27                     ` Boqun Feng
2026-03-19  1:08                       ` Boqun Feng
2026-03-19  9:03                         ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2026-03-19 16:27                           ` Boqun Feng
2026-03-19 16:33                             ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2026-03-19 16:48                               ` Boqun Feng
2026-03-19 16:59                                 ` Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2026-03-19 17:27                                   ` Boqun Feng
2026-03-19 18:41                                     ` Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2026-03-19 20:14                                       ` Boqun Feng
2026-03-19 20:21                                         ` Joel Fernandes
2026-03-19 20:39                                           ` Boqun Feng
2026-03-20 15:34                                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2026-03-20 15:59                                               ` Boqun Feng
2026-03-20 16:24                                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2026-03-20 16:57                                                   ` Boqun Feng
2026-03-20 17:54                                                     ` Joel Fernandes
2026-03-20 18:14                                                       ` [PATCH] rcu: Use an intermediate irq_work to start process_srcu() Boqun Feng
2026-03-20 19:18                                                         ` Joel Fernandes
2026-03-20 20:47                                                         ` Andrea Righi
2026-03-20 20:54                                                           ` Boqun Feng
2026-03-20 21:00                                                             ` Andrea Righi
2026-03-20 21:02                                                               ` Andrea Righi
2026-03-20 21:06                                                                 ` Boqun Feng
2026-03-20 22:29                                                           ` [PATCH v2] " Boqun Feng
2026-03-23 21:09                                                             ` Joel Fernandes
2026-03-23 22:18                                                               ` Boqun Feng
2026-03-23 22:50                                                                 ` Joel Fernandes
2026-03-24 11:27                                                             ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-03-24 14:56                                                               ` Joel Fernandes
2026-03-24 14:56                                                               ` Alexei Starovoitov
2026-03-24 17:36                                                                 ` Boqun Feng
2026-03-24 18:40                                                                   ` Joel Fernandes
2026-03-24 19:23                                                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2026-03-26 19:12                                                             ` patchwork-bot+netdevbpf
2026-03-21  4:27                                                         ` [PATCH] " Zqiang
2026-03-21 18:15                                                           ` Boqun Feng
2026-03-21 10:10                                                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2026-03-21 17:15                                                           ` Boqun Feng
2026-03-21 17:41                                                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2026-03-21 18:06                                                               ` Boqun Feng
2026-03-21 19:31                                                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2026-03-21 19:45                                                                   ` Boqun Feng [this message]
2026-03-21 20:07                                                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2026-03-21 20:08                                                                       ` Boqun Feng
2026-03-22 10:09                                                                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2026-03-22 16:16                                                                           ` Boqun Feng
2026-03-22 17:09                                                                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2026-03-22 17:31                                                                               ` Boqun Feng
2026-03-22 17:44                                                                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2026-03-22 18:17                                                                                   ` Boqun Feng
2026-03-22 19:47                                                                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2026-03-22 20:26                                                                                       ` Boqun Feng
2026-03-23  7:50                                                                                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2026-03-20 18:20                                                       ` Next-level bug in SRCU implementation of RCU Tasks Trace + PREEMPT_RT Boqun Feng
2026-03-20 23:11                                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2026-03-21  3:29                                                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2026-03-21 17:03                                                   ` [RFC PATCH] rcu-tasks: Avoid using mod_timer() in call_rcu_tasks_generic() Boqun Feng
2026-03-23 15:17                                                     ` Boqun Feng
2026-03-23 20:37                                                       ` Joel Fernandes
2026-03-23 21:50                                                       ` Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2026-03-23 22:13                                                         ` Boqun Feng
2026-03-20 16:15                                         ` Next-level bug in SRCU implementation of RCU Tasks Trace + PREEMPT_RT Boqun Feng
2026-03-20 16:24                                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2026-03-19 17:02                                 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2026-03-19 17:44                                   ` Boqun Feng
2026-03-19 18:42                                     ` Joel Fernandes
2026-03-19 20:20                                       ` Boqun Feng
2026-03-19 20:26                                         ` Joel Fernandes
2026-03-19 20:45                                           ` Joel Fernandes
2026-03-19 10:02                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2026-03-19 14:34                           ` Boqun Feng
2026-03-19 16:10                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2026-03-18 23:56                   ` Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2026-03-19  0:26                     ` Zqiang
2026-03-19  1:13                       ` Boqun Feng
2026-03-19  2:47                         ` Joel Fernandes

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