From: Dmitry Torokhov <dmitry.torokhov@gmail.com>
To: Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org>
Cc: Andrew Lunn <andrew+netdev@lunn.ch>,
"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 04/10] regulator: of: switch to using class_find_device_by_fwnode()
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2026 12:41:59 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <acGWJf1AGXT1xduM@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <7d46803e-b285-4e9c-8856-10100fa0ea85@sirena.org.uk>
On Mon, Mar 23, 2026 at 07:05:13PM +0000, Mark Brown wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 23, 2026 at 11:28:27AM -0700, Dmitry Torokhov wrote:
> > On Mon, Mar 23, 2026 at 02:00:43PM +0000, Mark Brown wrote:
>
> > > The regulator API is very deliberately specifically using the OF APIs,
> > > not the ACPI APIs, since ACPI really doesn't want to model regulators.
>
> > For now? We also have software nodes and maybe we come up with something
> > else in the future...
>
> > I think we should use firmware-agnostic APIs as much as possible, and
> > only use OF- or ACPI-specific ones when there is no generic equivalent.
> > This makes the code most flexible.
>
> I think this is a worrying idea for core code like this, we have
> specific firmware bindings for specific firmware interfaces with the
> different interfaces having very different ideas of how things should be
> modelled. The chances that firmware agnostic code is going to do the
> right thing seem low, and encouraging the use of generic APIs that might
> happen to run OK raises the risk that we'll get firmware vendors relying
> on them and leaving us with a conceptual mishmash to sort through.
>
> Software nodes are already a bit of a concern here TBH.
Firmware vendors can introduce incompatible DT bindings and have them in
their devices too and we have to deal with that...
I think if this pushes closer ACPI and OF schemas for at least some
subsystems closer to each other it would not be a bad thing.
Thanks.
--
Dmitry
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From: Dmitry Torokhov <dmitry.torokhov@gmail.com>
To: Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org>
Cc: Andrew Lunn <andrew+netdev@lunn.ch>,
"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
Eric Dumazet <edumazet@google.com>,
Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>,
Paolo Abeni <pabeni@redhat.com>, Vinod Koul <vkoul@kernel.org>,
Neil Armstrong <neil.armstrong@linaro.org>,
Liam Girdwood <lgirdwood@gmail.com>, Lee Jones <lee@kernel.org>,
Pavel Machek <pavel@kernel.org>, Peter Rosin <peda@axentia.se>,
Andrew Lunn <andrew@lunn.ch>,
Heiner Kallweit <hkallweit1@gmail.com>,
Russell King <linux@armlinux.org.uk>,
Moritz Fischer <mdf@kernel.org>, Xu Yilun <yilun.xu@intel.com>,
Tom Rix <trix@redhat.com>,
Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org>,
Danilo Krummrich <dakr@kernel.org>,
netdev@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
linux-phy@lists.infradead.org, linux-spi@vger.kernel.org,
linux-leds@vger.kernel.org, linux-fpga@vger.kernel.org,
driver-core@lists.linux.dev
Subject: Re: [PATCH 04/10] regulator: of: switch to using class_find_device_by_fwnode()
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2026 12:41:59 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <acGWJf1AGXT1xduM@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <7d46803e-b285-4e9c-8856-10100fa0ea85@sirena.org.uk>
On Mon, Mar 23, 2026 at 07:05:13PM +0000, Mark Brown wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 23, 2026 at 11:28:27AM -0700, Dmitry Torokhov wrote:
> > On Mon, Mar 23, 2026 at 02:00:43PM +0000, Mark Brown wrote:
>
> > > The regulator API is very deliberately specifically using the OF APIs,
> > > not the ACPI APIs, since ACPI really doesn't want to model regulators.
>
> > For now? We also have software nodes and maybe we come up with something
> > else in the future...
>
> > I think we should use firmware-agnostic APIs as much as possible, and
> > only use OF- or ACPI-specific ones when there is no generic equivalent.
> > This makes the code most flexible.
>
> I think this is a worrying idea for core code like this, we have
> specific firmware bindings for specific firmware interfaces with the
> different interfaces having very different ideas of how things should be
> modelled. The chances that firmware agnostic code is going to do the
> right thing seem low, and encouraging the use of generic APIs that might
> happen to run OK raises the risk that we'll get firmware vendors relying
> on them and leaving us with a conceptual mishmash to sort through.
>
> Software nodes are already a bit of a concern here TBH.
Firmware vendors can introduce incompatible DT bindings and have them in
their devices too and we have to deal with that...
I think if this pushes closer ACPI and OF schemas for at least some
subsystems closer to each other it would not be a bad thing.
Thanks.
--
Dmitry
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Thread overview: 84+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-03-23 1:54 [PATCH 00/10] Remove class_find_device_by_of_node in favor of finding by firmware node Dmitry Torokhov
2026-03-23 1:54 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2026-03-23 1:54 ` [PATCH net-next 01/10] net: wan: framer: switch to using class_find_device_by_fwnode() Dmitry Torokhov
2026-03-23 1:54 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2026-03-23 1:54 ` [PATCH 02/10] phy: core: " Dmitry Torokhov
2026-03-23 1:54 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2026-05-10 11:26 ` Vinod Koul
2026-05-10 11:26 ` Vinod Koul
2026-03-23 1:54 ` [PATCH 03/10] spi: " Dmitry Torokhov
2026-03-23 1:54 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2026-03-23 13:58 ` Mark Brown
2026-03-23 13:58 ` Mark Brown
2026-03-23 17:16 ` Mark Brown
2026-03-23 17:16 ` Mark Brown
2026-03-23 18:25 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2026-03-23 18:25 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2026-03-23 1:54 ` [PATCH 04/10] regulator: of: " Dmitry Torokhov
2026-03-23 1:54 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2026-03-23 14:00 ` Mark Brown
2026-03-23 14:00 ` Mark Brown
2026-03-23 18:28 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2026-03-23 18:28 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2026-03-23 19:05 ` Mark Brown
2026-03-23 19:05 ` Mark Brown
2026-03-23 19:41 ` Dmitry Torokhov [this message]
2026-03-23 19:41 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2026-03-23 19:58 ` Mark Brown
2026-03-23 19:58 ` Mark Brown
2026-03-23 21:39 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2026-03-23 21:39 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2026-03-23 20:01 ` Andrew Lunn
2026-03-23 20:01 ` Andrew Lunn
2026-03-23 21:36 ` Mark Brown
2026-03-23 21:36 ` Mark Brown
2026-03-23 21:41 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2026-03-23 21:41 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2026-03-23 22:11 ` Andrew Lunn
2026-03-23 22:11 ` Andrew Lunn
2026-03-23 22:27 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2026-03-23 22:27 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2026-03-23 22:39 ` Andrew Lunn
2026-03-23 22:39 ` Andrew Lunn
2026-03-23 22:48 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2026-03-23 22:48 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2026-03-24 13:50 ` Andrew Lunn
2026-03-24 13:50 ` Andrew Lunn
2026-03-24 0:17 ` Russell King (Oracle)
2026-03-24 0:17 ` Russell King (Oracle)
2026-03-23 1:54 ` [PATCH 05/10] leds: led-class: " Dmitry Torokhov
2026-03-23 1:54 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2026-03-31 10:29 ` (subset) " Lee Jones
2026-03-31 10:29 ` Lee Jones
2026-03-23 1:54 ` [PATCH 06/10] mux: " Dmitry Torokhov
2026-03-23 1:54 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2026-03-23 1:54 ` [PATCH net-next 07/10] net: phy: " Dmitry Torokhov
2026-03-23 1:54 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2026-03-23 2:54 ` Andrew Lunn
2026-03-23 2:54 ` Andrew Lunn
2026-03-23 5:17 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2026-03-23 5:17 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2026-03-23 8:59 ` Russell King (Oracle)
2026-03-23 8:59 ` Russell King (Oracle)
2026-03-23 18:33 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2026-03-23 18:33 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2026-03-23 18:39 ` Russell King (Oracle)
2026-03-23 18:39 ` Russell King (Oracle)
2026-03-23 19:35 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2026-03-23 19:35 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2026-03-23 20:15 ` Andrew Lunn
2026-03-23 20:15 ` Andrew Lunn
2026-03-23 21:49 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2026-03-23 21:49 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2026-03-23 22:00 ` Andrew Lunn
2026-03-23 22:00 ` Andrew Lunn
2026-03-23 22:20 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2026-03-23 22:20 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2026-03-23 1:54 ` [PATCH 08/10] fpga: bridge: " Dmitry Torokhov
2026-03-23 1:54 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2026-03-23 1:54 ` [PATCH 09/10] fpga: manager: " Dmitry Torokhov
2026-03-23 1:54 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2026-03-23 1:54 ` [PATCH 10/10] driver core: class: remove class_find_device_by_of_node() Dmitry Torokhov
2026-03-23 1:54 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2026-03-23 7:43 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2026-03-23 7:43 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
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