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From: "Harry Yoo (Oracle)" <harry@kernel.org>
To: Uladzislau Rezki <urezki@gmail.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@kernel.org>,
	Christoph Lameter <cl@gentwo.org>,
	David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
	Roman Gushchin <roman.gushchin@linux.dev>,
	Hao Li <hao.li@linux.dev>, Alexei Starovoitov <ast@kernel.org>,
	"Paul E . McKenney" <paulmck@kernel.org>,
	Frederic Weisbecker <frederic@kernel.org>,
	Neeraj Upadhyay <neeraj.upadhyay@kernel.org>,
	Joel Fernandes <joelagnelf@nvidia.com>,
	Josh Triplett <josh@joshtriplett.org>,
	Boqun Feng <boqun@kernel.org>, Zqiang <qiang.zhang@linux.dev>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>,
	Lai Jiangshan <jiangshanlai@gmail.com>,
	rcu@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 4/8] mm/slab: introduce kfree_rcu_nolock()
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2026 10:08:47 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aelxH--hZkCahPv6@hyeyoo> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aejeVK0J_jHSfVhD@milan>

On Wed, Apr 22, 2026 at 04:42:28PM +0200, Uladzislau Rezki wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 16, 2026 at 06:10:18PM +0900, Harry Yoo (Oracle) wrote:
> As discussed or noted earlier, having third argument and check the
> entire path with "if (allow_spin)" is not optimal and is not good
> approach. I do not think it this would be a good fit for mainline.

I understand that this pattern is pretty uncommon and adds complexity.
But there is a reason why we're doing this. As Alexei pointed out
earlier, even rare spikes of irq_work hurt performance [1]; that can be
avoided in most cases where the lock is not in use. That's why buddy [2]
and slab [3] accepted this pattern despite the added complexity?

[1] https://lore.kernel.org/linux-mm/CAADnVQKk_Bgi0bc-td_3pVpHYXR3CpC3R8rg-NHwdLEDiQSeNg@mail.gmail.com
[2] https://lore.kernel.org/linux-mm/20250222024427.30294-1-alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com 
[3] https://lore.kernel.org/linux-mm/20250909010007.1660-1-alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com

> I think a better option is to add a separate kvfree_rcu_nmi() helper,
> or similar, and avoid complicating the generic implementation. Otherwise,
> the common path risks becoming harder to maintain.

It's unfortunate that I didn't provide performance data to justify
adding complexity. I can try, but apparently you're not talking
about that.

Rather, you seem to be arguing that you're against this pattern
no matter what the benefits are?

I'm confused.

-- 
Cheers,
Harry / Hyeonggon


  reply	other threads:[~2026-04-23  1:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-04-16  9:10 [RFC PATCH v2 0/8] kvfree_rcu() improvements Harry Yoo (Oracle)
2026-04-16  9:10 ` [PATCH 1/8] mm/slab: introduce k[v]free_rcu() with struct rcu_ptr Harry Yoo (Oracle)
2026-04-22 14:41   ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-04-23  1:36     ` Harry Yoo (Oracle)
2026-04-16  9:10 ` [PATCH 2/8] fs/dcache: use rcu_ptr instead of rcu_head for external names Harry Yoo (Oracle)
2026-04-21 20:21   ` Al Viro
2026-04-22  1:16     ` Harry Yoo (Oracle)
2026-04-16  9:10 ` [PATCH 3/8] mm/slab: move kfree_rcu_cpu[_work] definitions Harry Yoo (Oracle)
2026-04-16  9:10 ` [PATCH 4/8] mm/slab: introduce kfree_rcu_nolock() Harry Yoo (Oracle)
2026-04-21 22:46   ` Alexei Starovoitov
2026-04-21 23:10     ` Paul E. McKenney
2026-04-21 23:14       ` Alexei Starovoitov
2026-04-22  3:02       ` Harry Yoo (Oracle)
2026-04-22 14:42   ` Uladzislau Rezki
2026-04-23  1:08     ` Harry Yoo (Oracle) [this message]
2026-04-23  1:56       ` Harry Yoo (Oracle)
2026-04-27 18:08         ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-04-27 18:51           ` Paul E. McKenney
2026-04-23  2:14       ` Harry Yoo (Oracle)
2026-04-23  4:23     ` Harry Yoo (Oracle)
2026-04-23 11:35       ` Uladzislau Rezki
2026-04-28 13:12         ` Harry Yoo (Oracle)
2026-04-30 12:10           ` Uladzislau Rezki
2026-04-27 13:08   ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-04-16  9:10 ` [PATCH 5/8] mm/slab: make kfree_rcu_nolock() work with sheaves Harry Yoo (Oracle)
2026-04-27 13:32   ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-04-27 13:53     ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-04-27 14:45       ` Alexei Starovoitov
2026-04-27 15:08         ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-04-27 15:11           ` Alexei Starovoitov
2026-04-16  9:10 ` [PATCH 6/8] mm/slab: wrap rcu sheaf handling with ifdef Harry Yoo (Oracle)
2026-04-27 15:47   ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-04-16  9:10 ` [PATCH 7/8] mm/slab: introduce deferred submission of rcu sheaves Harry Yoo (Oracle)
2026-04-21 22:51   ` Alexei Starovoitov
2026-04-22  3:11     ` Harry Yoo (Oracle)
2026-04-27 15:55   ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-04-16  9:10 ` [PATCH 8/8] lib/tests/slub_kunit: add a test case for kfree_rcu_nolock() Harry Yoo (Oracle)
2026-04-22 14:30 ` [RFC PATCH v2 0/8] kvfree_rcu() improvements Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-04-22 22:41   ` Paul E. McKenney
2026-04-23  1:31   ` Harry Yoo (Oracle)

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