From: "Daniel P. Berrangé" <berrange@redhat.com>
To: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
Cc: "Paolo Bonzini" <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
qemu-devel <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
"Alex Bennée" <alex.bennee@linaro.org>,
"Alistair Francis" <alistair.francis@wdc.com>,
"BALATON Zoltan" <balaton@eik.bme.hu>,
"Fabiano Rosas" <farosas@suse.de>,
"Kevin Wolf" <kwolf@redhat.com>,
"Peter Maydell" <peter.maydell@linaro.org>,
"Warner Losh" <imp@bsdimp.com>,
"Philippe Mathieu-Daudé" <philmd@linaro.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] docs/devel: relax policy on AI-generated contributions
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2026 10:39:15 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <aiKZQ2VVnERuUKt0@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260605051949-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org>
On Fri, Jun 05, 2026 at 05:25:36AM -0400, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 05, 2026 at 10:17:16AM +0100, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote:
> > On Thu, Jun 04, 2026 at 12:37:58PM +0200, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
> > > Il mer 3 giu 2026, 19:54 Daniel P. Berrangé <berrange@redhat.com> ha
> > > scritto:
> > >
> > > > The AI policy should just
> > > > make a point that we expect to be communicating with people not
> > > > bots pretending to be people.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Yes, it's better to have that stated clearly.
> > >
> > > > True but we also need a rule. The spirit is better explained elsewhere
> > > > > (and also, building consensus on spirit vs. a rule are two different
> > > > > things).
> > > >
> > > > Do we have a better elsewhere in this case ? It is a point specifically
> > > > about intent of the AI policy rule.
> > >
> > >
> > > The rule in this draft says 20 lines, tests, mechanical changes and docs.
> > > The spirit is what is in the commit message, basically to maximize the
> > > benefit and limit the possible damage?
> >
> > Putting "the spirit" in the commit message is essentially /dev/null to
> > anyone reading the policy later.
> >
> > > > See my reply to Peter elsewhere in the thread. I agree with your
> > > > > concerns for both docs and discretion, but I had specific uses in mind
> > > > > that I'd like to allow.
> > > > >
> > > > > For docs:
> > > > > - create tutorials and/or feature documentation based on functional tests
> > > >
> > > > That doesn't sound too appealing to me. Reverse engineering docs or
> > > > tutorials from our functional tests is exactly the kind of thing that feels
> > > > likely to result in volumous text of marginal value which will have a large
> > > > burden on reviewers.
> > > >
> > >
> > > At the same time this can be helpful for maintainers themselves? Let's also
> > > look at this from the point of view of producing better output, not just
> > > from that of being on the receiving end of slop. Especially for docs I have
> > > a hard time imagining people sending out whole new "manuals"... The
> > > bugfixes rule ironically seems the most dangerous to me from the
> > > Dunning-Krueger point of view.
> > >
> > > My question is: do we want disclosure for anything is created with the help
> > > of LLMs, even if only small parts survive untouched? I think so, because a
> > > lot more, even if edited, would still be originally from AI. But then it's
> > > important to have rules allowing it and a way to track it.
> >
> > IMHO need unconditional disclosure, because the use of the LLM impacts
> > the license of the code. QEMU is traditionally expected to be GPLv2+
> > licensed for all new code, but there's the train of thought that LLM
> > code is public domain.
> > If it gets human editting afterwards we can
> > consider that the human edits are GPLv2+ licensed, but IMHO we still
> > want to know the origins.
>
> Wait that's a big ask.
>
> DOC explicitly does not ask if code might be available anywhere else
> under any other license. Just that contributor can contribute under GPL.
> If it's public domain then the human can license is under GPL.
For new files, in checkpatch we validate that SPDX-License-Identifier
is explicitly set as GPL-2.0-or-later. Contributors are expected to
justify any divergence in the commit message.
I've seen guidance that SPDX-License-Identifier for AI output code
should NOT state a license, under the theory it is public domain.
If it is human editted though, I would expect it to overrule this
guidance and explicitly state GPL-2.0-or-later in the SPDX tag
unless the contributor wants to explicitly put their own edits
under public domain too.
Ultimately QEMU is a copyleft project as a whole and IMHO we should
prioritize retaining that for as large a portion of the codebase is
is practical.
> > > It would definitely be intended for merge. There's a lot of boilerplate
> > > code in the Rust bindings, for example, that is voluminous but *mostly*
> > > lacks creativity---the creative part basically can be described by the
> > > spec/docs and should already clear the low bar required for originality,
> > > even if the code is automatically generated. I included a couple examples
> > > in my reply to Peter.
> >
> > So we know there are examples which are probably low risk from a license
> > POV, but which are massively larger than 20 lines of code. This just
> > makes me more uncomfortable with the 20 line rule as the definition of
> > the policy - we know that rule is wrong / undesirable from the start and
> > needs this exception to make it viable.
>
> So 20 lines or mechanical changes? what is considered mechanical will be
> decided by maintainers, contributor should check with them up front.
If we are wanting to allow mechanical changes / boilerplate, then we
should express that in the policy such that the policy can be reasonably
understood without having to ask permission / questions ahead of time.
With regards,
Daniel
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-06-05 9:40 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-05-29 9:46 [PATCH v2] docs/devel: relax policy on AI-generated contributions Paolo Bonzini
2026-05-29 11:52 ` Alex Bennée
2026-05-29 13:06 ` Paolo Bonzini
2026-05-29 13:10 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-05-29 11:59 ` BALATON Zoltan
2026-05-29 15:34 ` Peter Maydell
2026-05-29 15:46 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-05-29 15:55 ` Peter Maydell
2026-05-29 16:17 ` Paolo Bonzini
2026-05-29 17:47 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-02 7:38 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-02 8:09 ` Paolo Bonzini
2026-06-02 15:53 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2026-06-03 11:35 ` Paolo Bonzini
2026-06-03 14:55 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2026-06-03 14:59 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2026-06-03 15:06 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-03 15:35 ` Paolo Bonzini
2026-06-03 17:54 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2026-06-04 10:37 ` Paolo Bonzini
2026-06-05 9:17 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2026-06-05 9:25 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-05 9:39 ` Daniel P. Berrangé [this message]
2026-06-05 9:48 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-05 10:23 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2026-06-05 10:28 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-05 10:34 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2026-06-05 11:26 ` Paolo Bonzini
2026-06-05 12:39 ` BALATON Zoltan
2026-06-05 13:00 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2026-06-03 18:14 ` Alex Bennée
2026-06-03 18:20 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2026-06-04 10:04 ` Alex Bennée
2026-06-04 6:08 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-05 10:12 ` Kevin Wolf
2026-06-05 10:23 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
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