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From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [patch 4/21] fix ARCH_HAS_PREFETCH
Date: 13 Aug 2002 15:12:53 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ajc095$hk1$1@cesium.transmeta.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: Pine.NEB.4.44.0208132322340.1351-100000@mimas.fachschaften.tu-muenchen.de

Followup to:  <Pine.NEB.4.44.0208132322340.1351-100000@mimas.fachschaften.tu-muenchen.de>
By author:    Adrian Bunk <bunk@fs.tum.de>
In newsgroup: linux.dev.kernel
> >
> > Because the compiler sees:
> >
> > 	for (i = 0; i < N; i++)
> > 		;
> >
> > and it says "ah ha.  A busy wait delay loop" and leaves it alone.
> >
> > It's actually a special-case inside the compiler to not optimise
> > away such constructs.
> 
> Why is this a special case? As long as a compiler can't prove that the
> computed value of i isn't used later it mustn't optimize it away.
> 

Bullsh*t.  It can legitimately transform it into:

	   i = N;

> Kernighan/Ritchie (German translation of the second edition) contains the
> following example program that shows why the compiler mustn't optimize it
> away:
> 
> <--  snip  -->
> 
> #include <stdio.h>
> 
> main()
> {
>   double nc;
> 
>   for (nc = 0; getchar() != EOF; ++nc)
> 	;
>   printf("%.0f\n", nc);
> 
> }
> 

getchar() has side effects.

	-hpa
-- 
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  reply	other threads:[~2002-08-13 22:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-08-11  7:38 [patch 4/21] fix ARCH_HAS_PREFETCH Andrew Morton
2002-08-11 19:49 ` Alan Cox
2002-08-11 18:47   ` Andrew Morton
2002-08-11 18:46     ` Larry McVoy
2002-08-11 19:06     ` Linus Torvalds
2002-08-11 20:07       ` GCC still keeps empty loops? (was: [patch 4/21] fix ARCH_HAS_PREFETCH) Jamie Lokier
2002-08-12  7:45         ` Ralf Baechle
2002-08-13 21:42     ` [patch 4/21] fix ARCH_HAS_PREFETCH Adrian Bunk
2002-08-13 22:12       ` H. Peter Anvin [this message]
2002-08-13 22:22         ` Adrian Bunk
2002-08-13 22:42           ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-08-14 17:40         ` Rogier Wolff
2002-08-14 19:41           ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-08-14 19:57             ` Jamie Lokier
2002-08-14 22:03               ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2002-08-14 20:45             ` Willy Tarreau
2002-08-14 20:58               ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-08-14 21:11                 ` Willy Tarreau
2002-08-14 21:13                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-08-15  1:23                 ` Alan Cox
2002-08-15  1:28                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-08-15  1:37                     ` Alan Cox
2002-08-14 22:53               ` David Lang
2002-08-14 23:31                 ` Jamie Lokier
2002-08-15  6:44                 ` Willy Tarreau
2002-08-15  6:55                   ` H. Peter Anvin
     [not found] <3D56147E.15E7A98@zip.com.au.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
2002-08-11  9:53 ` Andi Kleen

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