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From: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
To: Sascha Hauer <s.hauer@pengutronix.de>
Cc: Grant Likely <grant.likely@secretlab.ca>,
	Mark Brown <broonie@opensource.wolfsonmicro.com>,
	Russell King <rmk+lkml@arm.linux.org.uk>,
	devicetree-discuss <devicetree-discuss@ozlabs.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Timur Tabi <timur@freescale.com>,
	Scott Wood <scottwood@freescale.com>,
	Janboe Ye <yuan-bo.ye@motorola.com>,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.arm.linux.org.uk
Subject: Re: [RFC] [PATCH] Device Tree on ARM platform
Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 15:18:02 +0200 (CEST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.00.0905281457170.3397@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090528124307.GN22742@pengutronix.de>

On Thu, 28 May 2009, Sascha Hauer wrote:
> > There is the advantage of easy multiplatform support.  I regularly
> > build a single kernel image which boots on all my MPC5200 boards, and
> > on my MPC83xx boards.
> 
> That is not necessarily an advantage of a device tree. On ARM you can
> also build a kernel which runs on 20+ PXA platforms at the same time.
> (And I'm sure it can be done to even support say i.MX and PXA at the
> same time, but this is another story)

Well, you can run it on 20+ PXA platforms which have all their own
machine number, but you have all the little details of each platform
hardcoded into the kernel.

That does not help at all when your board has 5 variants just
different in subtle details which can not be probed or enumerated by
inspection. That's a common scenario in the embedded world.

So you either have 5 board numbers and all the details harcoded again
or you add some extra magic to deduce on which variant you are running
on.

We have seen almost everything in the weirdness range from poking in
some hardcoded FLASH cells over weird command line parsers up to a XML
parser which were added to work around the limitations of the machine
number model.

With a device tree you can avoid that crap and provide a standardized
interface for such cases.

I'm not saying that the device tree will make all those problems go
away magically, but it's orders of magnitudes better than what people
do now.

There is no need to force switch all of ARM to the device tree, but
adding support for it would be a good move. Nobody wants to enforce it
and both models can live happily side by side and we'll see which
variant turns out to be the long term favourite solution.

Thanks,

	tglx

  reply	other threads:[~2009-05-28 13:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 277+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-05-27  7:08 [RFC] [PATCH] Device Tree on ARM platform Janboe Ye
2009-05-27 14:27 ` Grant Likely
2009-05-27 14:27   ` Grant Likely
2009-05-27 14:39   ` Timur Tabi
2009-05-27 15:05     ` Robert Schwebel
2009-05-27 15:05       ` Robert Schwebel
2009-05-27 15:39       ` Grant Likely
2009-05-27 15:39         ` Grant Likely
2009-05-27 16:20         ` Robert Schwebel
2009-05-27 16:20           ` Robert Schwebel
2009-05-27 20:35           ` Grant Likely
2009-05-27 20:35             ` Grant Likely
2009-05-27 23:48             ` Robert Schwebel
2009-05-27 23:48               ` Robert Schwebel
2009-05-27 23:52               ` David Miller
2009-05-27 23:52                 ` David Miller
2009-05-27 23:58               ` Scott Wood
2009-05-27 23:58                 ` Scott Wood
2009-05-28  0:02                 ` David Miller
2009-05-28  0:02                   ` David Miller
2009-05-28  0:07                 ` Robert Schwebel
2009-05-28  0:07                   ` Robert Schwebel
2009-05-28  0:15                   ` David Miller
2009-05-28  0:15                     ` David Miller
2009-05-28 10:37                     ` Mark Brown
2009-05-28 10:37                       ` Mark Brown
2009-05-28 22:32                       ` Grant Likely
2009-05-28 22:32                         ` Grant Likely
2009-05-29 12:34                         ` Mark Brown
2009-05-30  9:52                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-30  9:52                             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-30 10:21                             ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-05-30 10:21                               ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-05-30 17:56                               ` Mark Brown
2009-05-30 17:56                                 ` Mark Brown
2009-06-02  7:57                               ` Holger Schurig
2009-06-02  9:48                                 ` Mark Brown
2009-06-02  9:48                                   ` Mark Brown
2009-05-28  2:57                   ` David Gibson
2009-05-28  2:57                     ` David Gibson
2009-05-28  3:36                     ` Grant Likely
2009-05-28  3:36                       ` Grant Likely
2009-05-28  3:29                   ` Grant Likely
2009-05-28  3:29                     ` Grant Likely
2009-05-28  9:51                     ` Wolfgang Denk
2009-05-28  9:59                       ` David Miller
2009-05-28  9:59                         ` David Miller
2009-05-28 10:13                       ` Robert Schwebel
2009-05-28 10:13                         ` Robert Schwebel
2009-05-28 13:33                         ` Jon Smirl
2009-05-28 13:33                           ` Jon Smirl
2009-05-28 13:42                           ` Robert Schwebel
2009-05-28 13:42                             ` Robert Schwebel
2009-05-28  9:38                   ` Wolfgang Denk
2009-05-28  3:21                 ` Grant Likely
2009-05-28  3:21                   ` Grant Likely
2009-05-28  3:16               ` Grant Likely
2009-05-28  3:16                 ` Grant Likely
2009-05-28  0:55           ` Stephen Neuendorffer
2009-05-28  0:55             ` Stephen Neuendorffer
2009-05-27 18:56         ` Alexander Clouter
2009-05-27 20:46           ` Grant Likely
2009-05-27 20:46             ` Grant Likely
2009-05-27 21:32             ` Alexander Clouter
2009-05-27 21:32               ` Alexander Clouter
2009-05-28 14:29               ` Dmitry Eremin-Solenikov
2009-05-27 15:41       ` Peter Korsgaard
2009-05-27 15:41         ` Peter Korsgaard
2009-05-27 16:23         ` Scott Wood
2009-05-27 16:23           ` Scott Wood
2009-05-27 17:56           ` Russell King
2009-05-27 17:56             ` Russell King
2009-05-27 19:08             ` Scott Wood
2009-05-27 19:08               ` Scott Wood
2009-05-27 19:13               ` Jon Smirl
2009-05-27 19:13                 ` Jon Smirl
2009-05-27 19:21                 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-05-27 19:21                   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-05-27 19:39                   ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2009-05-27 19:39                     ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2009-05-27 20:22                     ` Grant Likely
2009-05-27 20:22                       ` Grant Likely
2009-05-27 20:19                       ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2009-05-27 20:19                         ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2009-05-27 20:54                         ` Grant Likely
2009-05-27 20:54                           ` Grant Likely
2009-05-28  3:04                           ` David Gibson
2009-05-28  3:04                             ` David Gibson
2009-05-28  7:58                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-28  7:58                             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-27 23:57                       ` Robert Schwebel
2009-05-27 23:57                         ` Robert Schwebel
2009-05-28  0:00                         ` David Miller
2009-05-28  0:00                           ` David Miller
2009-05-28  3:21                         ` Grant Likely
2009-05-28  3:21                           ` Grant Likely
2009-05-28  6:34                           ` Wolfram Sang
2009-05-28  6:34                             ` Wolfram Sang
2009-05-28  7:55                             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-28  7:55                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-28 13:34                             ` Grant Likely
2009-05-28 13:34                               ` Grant Likely
2009-05-28  7:48                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-28  7:48                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-28 14:22                       ` Ben Dooks
2009-05-27 20:28                     ` David Miller
2009-05-27 20:28                       ` David Miller
2009-05-27 20:31                       ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2009-05-27 20:31                         ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2009-05-28  2:52                   ` David Gibson
2009-05-28  2:52                     ` David Gibson
2009-05-28  4:27                     ` David Miller
2009-05-28  4:27                       ` David Miller
2009-05-28  4:47                       ` David Gibson
2009-05-28  4:47                         ` David Gibson
2009-05-28  5:31                         ` David Miller
2009-05-28  5:31                           ` David Miller
2009-05-28  5:47                           ` David Gibson
2009-05-28  5:47                             ` David Gibson
2009-05-28  7:47                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-28  7:47                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-28 14:17                 ` Ben Dooks
2009-05-28 14:24                   ` Robert Schwebel
2009-05-28 14:47                   ` Grant Likely
2009-05-28 14:47                     ` Grant Likely
2009-05-27 19:29               ` Russell King
2009-05-27 19:29                 ` Russell King
2009-05-27 19:47                 ` Sergei Shtylyov
2009-05-27 19:53                 ` Scott Wood
2009-05-27 19:53                   ` Scott Wood
2009-05-27 19:54                   ` Timur Tabi
2009-05-27 19:54                     ` Timur Tabi
2009-05-27 20:25                     ` David Miller
2009-05-27 20:25                       ` David Miller
2009-05-27 20:27                       ` Timur Tabi
2009-05-27 20:27                         ` Timur Tabi
2009-05-27 20:55                         ` David Miller
2009-05-27 20:55                           ` David Miller
2009-05-27 23:26                           ` Robert Schwebel
2009-05-27 23:26                             ` Robert Schwebel
2009-05-27 20:35                       ` M. Warner Losh
2009-05-27 20:14                   ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2009-05-27 20:14                     ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2009-05-27 20:23                 ` David Miller
2009-05-27 20:23                   ` David Miller
     [not found]                   ` <20090527.132328.78091350.davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-27 20:27                     ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2009-05-27 20:27                       ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2009-05-27 20:27                       ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
     [not found]                       ` <20090527202701.GA16219-RQcB7r2h9QmfDR2tN2SG5Ni2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-27 20:48                         ` Josh Boyer
2009-05-27 20:48                           ` Josh Boyer
2009-05-27 20:48                           ` Josh Boyer
2009-05-27 20:56                         ` David Miller
2009-05-27 20:56                           ` David Miller
2009-05-27 20:56                           ` David Miller
2009-05-27 20:52                 ` Mark Brown
2009-05-27 20:52                   ` Mark Brown
2009-05-27 21:05                   ` Grant Likely
2009-05-27 21:05                     ` Grant Likely
2009-05-28  0:11                     ` Jon Smirl
2009-05-28  0:11                       ` Jon Smirl
2009-05-28 12:43                     ` Sascha Hauer
2009-05-28 12:43                       ` Sascha Hauer
2009-05-28 13:18                       ` Thomas Gleixner [this message]
2009-05-28 15:04                         ` Sascha Hauer
2009-05-28 15:04                           ` Sascha Hauer
2009-05-28 15:27                           ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-05-28 15:27                             ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-05-29  0:51                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-29  0:51                             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-29  7:52                             ` Sascha Hauer
2009-05-29  7:52                               ` Sascha Hauer
2009-05-29  9:08                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-29  9:08                                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-31 10:52                             ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-05-31 10:52                               ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-05-28 14:31                       ` Grant Likely
2009-05-28 14:31                         ` Grant Likely
2009-05-28  3:25                   ` David Gibson
2009-05-28  3:25                     ` David Gibson
2009-05-28  8:10                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-28  8:10                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-28  7:38               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-28  7:38                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-27 20:43             ` Grant Likely
2009-05-27 20:43               ` Grant Likely
2009-05-28  7:37             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-28  7:37               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-28  9:15               ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-05-28  9:15                 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-05-28  9:57                 ` David Miller
2009-05-28  9:57                   ` David Miller
2009-05-28 10:11                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-28 10:11                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-28 10:33                     ` Robert Schwebel
2009-05-28 10:34                     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-05-28 10:34                       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-05-28 22:33                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-28 22:33                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-28 10:14                   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-05-28 10:14                     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-05-28 21:30                     ` David Miller
2009-05-28 21:30                       ` David Miller
2009-05-28 12:17                   ` Dmitry Eremin-Solenikov
2009-05-28 12:48                     ` David Gibson
2009-05-28 12:48                       ` David Gibson
2009-05-28 12:55                       ` David Gibson
2009-05-28 12:55                         ` David Gibson
2009-05-28 14:13                     ` Grant Likely
2009-05-28 14:13                       ` Grant Likely
2009-05-28 16:53                       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-05-28 16:53                         ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-05-28 17:05                         ` Grant Likely
2009-05-28 18:46                         ` Alexander Clouter
2009-05-28 18:46                           ` Alexander Clouter
2009-05-28 22:21                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-28 22:21                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-29  1:39                         ` David Gibson
2009-05-29  1:39                           ` David Gibson
2009-05-29  1:59                           ` Mitch Bradley
2009-05-29  1:59                             ` Mitch Bradley
2009-05-29  3:52                             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-29  3:52                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-29  4:11                               ` David Miller
2009-05-29  4:11                                 ` David Miller
2009-05-29  4:11                             ` David Miller
2009-05-29  4:11                               ` David Miller
2009-05-29  4:56                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-29  4:56                                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-29  5:11                                 ` David Miller
2009-05-29  5:11                                   ` David Miller
2009-05-28 10:00                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-28 10:00                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-28 11:44                 ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2009-05-28 11:44                   ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2009-05-28 12:47                 ` Jon Smirl
2009-05-28 12:47                   ` Jon Smirl
2009-05-28 14:39                   ` Grant Likely
2009-05-28 14:39                     ` Grant Likely
2009-05-28 14:54                 ` Grant Likely
2009-05-28 14:54                   ` Grant Likely
2009-05-27 18:26           ` Peter Korsgaard
2009-05-27 16:32       ` Mark Brown
2009-05-27 18:50         ` Jon Smirl
2009-05-27 22:24           ` Mark Brown
2009-05-27 22:24             ` Mark Brown
2009-05-28  0:04             ` Jon Smirl
2009-05-28  0:04               ` Jon Smirl
2009-05-28 13:07               ` Mark Brown
2009-05-27 20:42         ` Grant Likely
2009-05-27 20:42           ` Grant Likely
2009-05-27 21:38           ` Mark Brown
2009-05-27 21:38             ` Mark Brown
2009-05-28  3:02       ` David Gibson
2009-05-28  3:02         ` David Gibson
2009-05-28  7:32       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-28  7:32         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-28 13:38         ` Grant Likely
2009-05-28 13:38           ` Grant Likely
2009-05-27 22:01     ` Mitch Bradley
2009-05-27 22:01       ` Mitch Bradley
2009-05-28  8:17       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-28  8:17         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-28 12:43     ` Holger Schurig
2009-05-28 13:12       ` Mark Brown
2009-05-27 17:44   ` Russell King
2009-05-27 17:44     ` Russell King
2009-05-27 17:52     ` Grant Likely
2009-05-27 17:52       ` Grant Likely
2009-05-28  3:44       ` David Gibson
2009-05-28  3:44         ` David Gibson
2009-05-30 11:22 ` Pavel Machek
2009-05-31  1:29   ` Kyle Moffett
2009-05-31  5:56     ` David Miller
2009-06-01  8:37     ` Dmitry Eremin-Solenikov
2009-05-31 10:08 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-06-01  9:24   ` Stephen Rothwell
2009-06-01 10:36   ` Janboe Ye

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