From: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
To: Sascha Hauer <s.hauer@pengutronix.de>
Cc: Grant Likely <grant.likely@secretlab.ca>,
Mark Brown <broonie@opensource.wolfsonmicro.com>,
Russell King <rmk+lkml@arm.linux.org.uk>,
devicetree-discuss <devicetree-discuss@ozlabs.org>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Timur Tabi <timur@freescale.com>,
Scott Wood <scottwood@freescale.com>,
Janboe Ye <yuan-bo.ye@motorola.com>,
linux-arm-kernel@lists.arm.linux.org.uk
Subject: Re: [RFC] [PATCH] Device Tree on ARM platform
Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 17:27:11 +0200 (CEST) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.00.0905281721140.3397@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090528150409.GO22742@pengutronix.de>
On Thu, 28 May 2009, Sascha Hauer wrote:
> > That does not help at all when your board has 5 variants just
> > different in subtle details which can not be probed or enumerated by
> > inspection. That's a common scenario in the embedded world.
>
> We normally hide these subtle details behind a baseboard= kernel
> parameter. I agree with you that it's far better to have a standardized
> way to specify this. For my taste the oftree is too bloated for this
> purpose.
Well, with the baseboard= you still have to hack the details into the
kernel, which just adds code which needs to be maintained. I really
can do without 20 different platform structs and switch cases which
init GPIOs if there is an elegant way to describe the pin routing and
such. If you get your configuration out of OF tree then you can handle
this w/o even touching the kernel in most cases.
> > There is no need to force switch all of ARM to the device tree, but
> > adding support for it would be a good move. Nobody wants to enforce it
> > and both models can live happily side by side and we'll see which
> > variant turns out to be the long term favourite solution.
>
> Having it as an optional feature seems a good idea for the same reasons
> you mentioned. I just wonder how optional it can be once a board
> maintainer and a person sending patches disagree on whether to use oftree
> or not.
As always it will be discussed on technical grounds. :)
Thanks,
tglx
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From: Thomas Gleixner <tglx-hfZtesqFncYOwBW4kG4KsQ@public.gmane.org>
To: Sascha Hauer <s.hauer-bIcnvbaLZ9MEGnE8C9+IrQ@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Russell King <rmk+lkml-lFZ/pmaqli7XmaaqVzeoHQ@public.gmane.org>,
devicetree-discuss
<devicetree-discuss-mnsaURCQ41sdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
Mark Brown
<broonie-yzvPICuk2AATkU/dhu1WVueM+bqZidxxQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org>,
linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
linux-arm-kernel-xIg/pKzrS19vn6HldHNs0ANdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org,
Scott Wood <scottwood-KZfg59tc24xl57MIdRCFDg@public.gmane.org>,
Janboe Ye <yuan-bo.ye-3WKxDLwmzFNWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>,
Timur Tabi <timur-KZfg59tc24xl57MIdRCFDg@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC] [PATCH] Device Tree on ARM platform
Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 17:27:11 +0200 (CEST) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.00.0905281721140.3397@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090528150409.GO22742-bIcnvbaLZ9MEGnE8C9+IrQ@public.gmane.org>
On Thu, 28 May 2009, Sascha Hauer wrote:
> > That does not help at all when your board has 5 variants just
> > different in subtle details which can not be probed or enumerated by
> > inspection. That's a common scenario in the embedded world.
>
> We normally hide these subtle details behind a baseboard= kernel
> parameter. I agree with you that it's far better to have a standardized
> way to specify this. For my taste the oftree is too bloated for this
> purpose.
Well, with the baseboard= you still have to hack the details into the
kernel, which just adds code which needs to be maintained. I really
can do without 20 different platform structs and switch cases which
init GPIOs if there is an elegant way to describe the pin routing and
such. If you get your configuration out of OF tree then you can handle
this w/o even touching the kernel in most cases.
> > There is no need to force switch all of ARM to the device tree, but
> > adding support for it would be a good move. Nobody wants to enforce it
> > and both models can live happily side by side and we'll see which
> > variant turns out to be the long term favourite solution.
>
> Having it as an optional feature seems a good idea for the same reasons
> you mentioned. I just wonder how optional it can be once a board
> maintainer and a person sending patches disagree on whether to use oftree
> or not.
As always it will be discussed on technical grounds. :)
Thanks,
tglx
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-05-28 15:29 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 277+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-05-27 7:08 [RFC] [PATCH] Device Tree on ARM platform Janboe Ye
2009-05-27 14:27 ` Grant Likely
2009-05-27 14:27 ` Grant Likely
2009-05-27 14:39 ` Timur Tabi
2009-05-27 15:05 ` Robert Schwebel
2009-05-27 15:05 ` Robert Schwebel
2009-05-27 15:39 ` Grant Likely
2009-05-27 15:39 ` Grant Likely
2009-05-27 16:20 ` Robert Schwebel
2009-05-27 16:20 ` Robert Schwebel
2009-05-27 20:35 ` Grant Likely
2009-05-27 20:35 ` Grant Likely
2009-05-27 23:48 ` Robert Schwebel
2009-05-27 23:48 ` Robert Schwebel
2009-05-27 23:52 ` David Miller
2009-05-27 23:52 ` David Miller
2009-05-27 23:58 ` Scott Wood
2009-05-27 23:58 ` Scott Wood
2009-05-28 0:02 ` David Miller
2009-05-28 0:02 ` David Miller
2009-05-28 0:07 ` Robert Schwebel
2009-05-28 0:07 ` Robert Schwebel
2009-05-28 0:15 ` David Miller
2009-05-28 0:15 ` David Miller
2009-05-28 10:37 ` Mark Brown
2009-05-28 10:37 ` Mark Brown
2009-05-28 22:32 ` Grant Likely
2009-05-28 22:32 ` Grant Likely
2009-05-29 12:34 ` Mark Brown
2009-05-30 9:52 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-30 9:52 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-30 10:21 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-05-30 10:21 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-05-30 17:56 ` Mark Brown
2009-05-30 17:56 ` Mark Brown
2009-06-02 7:57 ` Holger Schurig
2009-06-02 9:48 ` Mark Brown
2009-06-02 9:48 ` Mark Brown
2009-05-28 2:57 ` David Gibson
2009-05-28 2:57 ` David Gibson
2009-05-28 3:36 ` Grant Likely
2009-05-28 3:36 ` Grant Likely
2009-05-28 3:29 ` Grant Likely
2009-05-28 3:29 ` Grant Likely
2009-05-28 9:51 ` Wolfgang Denk
2009-05-28 9:59 ` David Miller
2009-05-28 9:59 ` David Miller
2009-05-28 10:13 ` Robert Schwebel
2009-05-28 10:13 ` Robert Schwebel
2009-05-28 13:33 ` Jon Smirl
2009-05-28 13:33 ` Jon Smirl
2009-05-28 13:42 ` Robert Schwebel
2009-05-28 13:42 ` Robert Schwebel
2009-05-28 9:38 ` Wolfgang Denk
2009-05-28 3:21 ` Grant Likely
2009-05-28 3:21 ` Grant Likely
2009-05-28 3:16 ` Grant Likely
2009-05-28 3:16 ` Grant Likely
2009-05-28 0:55 ` Stephen Neuendorffer
2009-05-28 0:55 ` Stephen Neuendorffer
2009-05-27 18:56 ` Alexander Clouter
2009-05-27 20:46 ` Grant Likely
2009-05-27 20:46 ` Grant Likely
2009-05-27 21:32 ` Alexander Clouter
2009-05-27 21:32 ` Alexander Clouter
2009-05-28 14:29 ` Dmitry Eremin-Solenikov
2009-05-27 15:41 ` Peter Korsgaard
2009-05-27 15:41 ` Peter Korsgaard
2009-05-27 16:23 ` Scott Wood
2009-05-27 16:23 ` Scott Wood
2009-05-27 17:56 ` Russell King
2009-05-27 17:56 ` Russell King
2009-05-27 19:08 ` Scott Wood
2009-05-27 19:08 ` Scott Wood
2009-05-27 19:13 ` Jon Smirl
2009-05-27 19:13 ` Jon Smirl
2009-05-27 19:21 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-05-27 19:21 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-05-27 19:39 ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2009-05-27 19:39 ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2009-05-27 20:22 ` Grant Likely
2009-05-27 20:22 ` Grant Likely
2009-05-27 20:19 ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2009-05-27 20:19 ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2009-05-27 20:54 ` Grant Likely
2009-05-27 20:54 ` Grant Likely
2009-05-28 3:04 ` David Gibson
2009-05-28 3:04 ` David Gibson
2009-05-28 7:58 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-28 7:58 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-27 23:57 ` Robert Schwebel
2009-05-27 23:57 ` Robert Schwebel
2009-05-28 0:00 ` David Miller
2009-05-28 0:00 ` David Miller
2009-05-28 3:21 ` Grant Likely
2009-05-28 3:21 ` Grant Likely
2009-05-28 6:34 ` Wolfram Sang
2009-05-28 6:34 ` Wolfram Sang
2009-05-28 7:55 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-28 7:55 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-28 13:34 ` Grant Likely
2009-05-28 13:34 ` Grant Likely
2009-05-28 7:48 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-28 7:48 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-28 14:22 ` Ben Dooks
2009-05-27 20:28 ` David Miller
2009-05-27 20:28 ` David Miller
2009-05-27 20:31 ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2009-05-27 20:31 ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2009-05-28 2:52 ` David Gibson
2009-05-28 2:52 ` David Gibson
2009-05-28 4:27 ` David Miller
2009-05-28 4:27 ` David Miller
2009-05-28 4:47 ` David Gibson
2009-05-28 4:47 ` David Gibson
2009-05-28 5:31 ` David Miller
2009-05-28 5:31 ` David Miller
2009-05-28 5:47 ` David Gibson
2009-05-28 5:47 ` David Gibson
2009-05-28 7:47 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-28 7:47 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-28 14:17 ` Ben Dooks
2009-05-28 14:24 ` Robert Schwebel
2009-05-28 14:47 ` Grant Likely
2009-05-28 14:47 ` Grant Likely
2009-05-27 19:29 ` Russell King
2009-05-27 19:29 ` Russell King
2009-05-27 19:47 ` Sergei Shtylyov
2009-05-27 19:53 ` Scott Wood
2009-05-27 19:53 ` Scott Wood
2009-05-27 19:54 ` Timur Tabi
2009-05-27 19:54 ` Timur Tabi
2009-05-27 20:25 ` David Miller
2009-05-27 20:25 ` David Miller
2009-05-27 20:27 ` Timur Tabi
2009-05-27 20:27 ` Timur Tabi
2009-05-27 20:55 ` David Miller
2009-05-27 20:55 ` David Miller
2009-05-27 23:26 ` Robert Schwebel
2009-05-27 23:26 ` Robert Schwebel
2009-05-27 20:35 ` M. Warner Losh
2009-05-27 20:14 ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2009-05-27 20:14 ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2009-05-27 20:23 ` David Miller
2009-05-27 20:23 ` David Miller
[not found] ` <20090527.132328.78091350.davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-27 20:27 ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2009-05-27 20:27 ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2009-05-27 20:27 ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
[not found] ` <20090527202701.GA16219-RQcB7r2h9QmfDR2tN2SG5Ni2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-27 20:48 ` Josh Boyer
2009-05-27 20:48 ` Josh Boyer
2009-05-27 20:48 ` Josh Boyer
2009-05-27 20:56 ` David Miller
2009-05-27 20:56 ` David Miller
2009-05-27 20:56 ` David Miller
2009-05-27 20:52 ` Mark Brown
2009-05-27 20:52 ` Mark Brown
2009-05-27 21:05 ` Grant Likely
2009-05-27 21:05 ` Grant Likely
2009-05-28 0:11 ` Jon Smirl
2009-05-28 0:11 ` Jon Smirl
2009-05-28 12:43 ` Sascha Hauer
2009-05-28 12:43 ` Sascha Hauer
2009-05-28 13:18 ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-05-28 15:04 ` Sascha Hauer
2009-05-28 15:04 ` Sascha Hauer
2009-05-28 15:27 ` Thomas Gleixner [this message]
2009-05-28 15:27 ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-05-29 0:51 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-29 0:51 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-29 7:52 ` Sascha Hauer
2009-05-29 7:52 ` Sascha Hauer
2009-05-29 9:08 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-29 9:08 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-31 10:52 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-05-31 10:52 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-05-28 14:31 ` Grant Likely
2009-05-28 14:31 ` Grant Likely
2009-05-28 3:25 ` David Gibson
2009-05-28 3:25 ` David Gibson
2009-05-28 8:10 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-28 8:10 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-28 7:38 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-28 7:38 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-27 20:43 ` Grant Likely
2009-05-27 20:43 ` Grant Likely
2009-05-28 7:37 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-28 7:37 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-28 9:15 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-05-28 9:15 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-05-28 9:57 ` David Miller
2009-05-28 9:57 ` David Miller
2009-05-28 10:11 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-28 10:11 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-28 10:33 ` Robert Schwebel
2009-05-28 10:34 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-05-28 10:34 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-05-28 22:33 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-28 22:33 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-28 10:14 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-05-28 10:14 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-05-28 21:30 ` David Miller
2009-05-28 21:30 ` David Miller
2009-05-28 12:17 ` Dmitry Eremin-Solenikov
2009-05-28 12:48 ` David Gibson
2009-05-28 12:48 ` David Gibson
2009-05-28 12:55 ` David Gibson
2009-05-28 12:55 ` David Gibson
2009-05-28 14:13 ` Grant Likely
2009-05-28 14:13 ` Grant Likely
2009-05-28 16:53 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-05-28 16:53 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-05-28 17:05 ` Grant Likely
2009-05-28 18:46 ` Alexander Clouter
2009-05-28 18:46 ` Alexander Clouter
2009-05-28 22:21 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-28 22:21 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-29 1:39 ` David Gibson
2009-05-29 1:39 ` David Gibson
2009-05-29 1:59 ` Mitch Bradley
2009-05-29 1:59 ` Mitch Bradley
2009-05-29 3:52 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-29 3:52 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-29 4:11 ` David Miller
2009-05-29 4:11 ` David Miller
2009-05-29 4:11 ` David Miller
2009-05-29 4:11 ` David Miller
2009-05-29 4:56 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-29 4:56 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-29 5:11 ` David Miller
2009-05-29 5:11 ` David Miller
2009-05-28 10:00 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-28 10:00 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-28 11:44 ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2009-05-28 11:44 ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2009-05-28 12:47 ` Jon Smirl
2009-05-28 12:47 ` Jon Smirl
2009-05-28 14:39 ` Grant Likely
2009-05-28 14:39 ` Grant Likely
2009-05-28 14:54 ` Grant Likely
2009-05-28 14:54 ` Grant Likely
2009-05-27 18:26 ` Peter Korsgaard
2009-05-27 16:32 ` Mark Brown
2009-05-27 18:50 ` Jon Smirl
2009-05-27 22:24 ` Mark Brown
2009-05-27 22:24 ` Mark Brown
2009-05-28 0:04 ` Jon Smirl
2009-05-28 0:04 ` Jon Smirl
2009-05-28 13:07 ` Mark Brown
2009-05-27 20:42 ` Grant Likely
2009-05-27 20:42 ` Grant Likely
2009-05-27 21:38 ` Mark Brown
2009-05-27 21:38 ` Mark Brown
2009-05-28 3:02 ` David Gibson
2009-05-28 3:02 ` David Gibson
2009-05-28 7:32 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-28 7:32 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-28 13:38 ` Grant Likely
2009-05-28 13:38 ` Grant Likely
2009-05-27 22:01 ` Mitch Bradley
2009-05-27 22:01 ` Mitch Bradley
2009-05-28 8:17 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-28 8:17 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-28 12:43 ` Holger Schurig
2009-05-28 13:12 ` Mark Brown
2009-05-27 17:44 ` Russell King
2009-05-27 17:44 ` Russell King
2009-05-27 17:52 ` Grant Likely
2009-05-27 17:52 ` Grant Likely
2009-05-28 3:44 ` David Gibson
2009-05-28 3:44 ` David Gibson
2009-05-30 11:22 ` Pavel Machek
2009-05-31 1:29 ` Kyle Moffett
2009-05-31 5:56 ` David Miller
2009-06-01 8:37 ` Dmitry Eremin-Solenikov
2009-05-31 10:08 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-06-01 9:24 ` Stephen Rothwell
2009-06-01 10:36 ` Janboe Ye
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