* replace references to hob with references to toaster?
@ 2014-07-31 19:57 Robert P. J. Day
2014-08-01 5:39 ` Rifenbark, Scott M
2014-08-01 9:38 ` Barros Pena, Belen
0 siblings, 2 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Robert P. J. Day @ 2014-07-31 19:57 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Yocto discussion list
both in the docs and on the web/wiki pages, there would appear to be
some places that need some updating.
the dev manual, ch 4, has references to hob but none to toaster --
should that not be updated?
also, the link to hob in the dev manual takes one here:
https://www.yoctoproject.org/tools-resources/projects/hob
where there is no mention of toaster. and on the general internal
projects page here:
https://www.yoctoproject.org/tools-resources/projects
there are references to both hob and toaster, with no mention of
toaster being the newer version, unless you follow the link to the
wiki toaster page:
https://wiki.yoctoproject.org/wiki/Toaster
oh, and that internal projects page also goes on about eglibc, with
no mention that there is no further development planned for eglibc.
rday
--
========================================================================
Robert P. J. Day Ottawa, Ontario, CANADA
http://crashcourse.ca
Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday
LinkedIn: http://ca.linkedin.com/in/rpjday
========================================================================
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread* Re: replace references to hob with references to toaster?
2014-07-31 19:57 replace references to hob with references to toaster? Robert P. J. Day
@ 2014-08-01 5:39 ` Rifenbark, Scott M
2014-08-01 8:22 ` Robert P. J. Day
2014-08-01 9:38 ` Barros Pena, Belen
1 sibling, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: Rifenbark, Scott M @ 2014-08-01 5:39 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Robert P. J. Day, Yocto discussion list
>-----Original Message-----
>From: yocto-bounces@yoctoproject.org [mailto:yocto-
>bounces@yoctoproject.org] On Behalf Of Robert P. J. Day
>Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 12:58 PM
>To: Yocto discussion list
>Subject: [yocto] replace references to hob with references to toaster?
>
>
> both in the docs and on the web/wiki pages, there would appear to be some
>places that need some updating.
>
> the dev manual, ch 4, has references to hob but none to toaster -- should that
>not be updated?
If I understand Toaster correctly (and someone can correct me if I am wrong), it just reports information on a build. I don't think you use Toaster to actually build anything. Thus, Chapter 4, which talks about methods of developing an image, would not want to include Toaster as a method.
>
> also, the link to hob in the dev manual takes one here:
>
>https://www.yoctoproject.org/tools-resources/projects/hob
>
>where there is no mention of toaster. and on the general internal projects page
>here:
>
>https://www.yoctoproject.org/tools-resources/projects
>
>there are references to both hob and toaster, with no mention of toaster being
>the newer version, unless you follow the link to the wiki toaster page:
>
>https://wiki.yoctoproject.org/wiki/Toaster
>
> oh, and that internal projects page also goes on about eglibc, with no mention
>that there is no further development planned for eglibc.
>
>rday
>
>--
>
>=================================================================
>=======
>Robert P. J. Day Ottawa, Ontario, CANADA
> http://crashcourse.ca
>
>Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday
>LinkedIn: http://ca.linkedin.com/in/rpjday
>=================================================================
>=======
>
>--
>_______________________________________________
>yocto mailing list
>yocto@yoctoproject.org
>https://lists.yoctoproject.org/listinfo/yocto
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: replace references to hob with references to toaster?
2014-08-01 5:39 ` Rifenbark, Scott M
@ 2014-08-01 8:22 ` Robert P. J. Day
2014-08-01 9:13 ` Rifenbark, Scott M
2014-08-01 9:26 ` Rifenbark, Scott M
0 siblings, 2 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Robert P. J. Day @ 2014-08-01 8:22 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Rifenbark, Scott M; +Cc: Yocto discussion list
On Fri, 1 Aug 2014, Rifenbark, Scott M wrote:
>
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: yocto-bounces@yoctoproject.org [mailto:yocto-
> >bounces@yoctoproject.org] On Behalf Of Robert P. J. Day
> >Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 12:58 PM
> >To: Yocto discussion list
> >Subject: [yocto] replace references to hob with references to toaster?
> >
> >
> > both in the docs and on the web/wiki pages, there would appear to be some
> >places that need some updating.
> >
> > the dev manual, ch 4, has references to hob but none to toaster -- should that
> >not be updated?
>
> If I understand Toaster correctly (and someone can correct me if I
> am wrong), it just reports information on a build. I don't think
> you use Toaster to actually build anything. Thus, Chapter 4, which
> talks about methods of developing an image, would not want to
> include Toaster as a method.
having never used toaster (yet), i may be entirely off-base. but the
toaster wiki page:
https://wiki.yoctoproject.org/wiki/Toaster
claims:
"Toaster is a web-based interface to the Bitbake build system and the
Poky distribution inside the Yocto Project. This project was formerly
known as Web Hob / Webhob / webhob, and you may still find references
to the old name in the documentation."
that pretty clearly suggests it does building and is meant to
supersede hob, no?
rday
--
========================================================================
Robert P. J. Day Ottawa, Ontario, CANADA
http://crashcourse.ca
Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday
LinkedIn: http://ca.linkedin.com/in/rpjday
========================================================================
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread* Re: replace references to hob with references to toaster?
2014-08-01 8:22 ` Robert P. J. Day
@ 2014-08-01 9:13 ` Rifenbark, Scott M
2014-08-01 9:26 ` Rifenbark, Scott M
1 sibling, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Rifenbark, Scott M @ 2014-08-01 9:13 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Robert P. J. Day; +Cc: Yocto discussion list
Ahh.. well that general intro is a problem then. I will research and be sure I understand stuff right and adjust that if necessary.
Scott
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Robert P. J. Day [mailto:rpjday@crashcourse.ca]
>Sent: Friday, August 01, 2014 1:23 AM
>To: Rifenbark, Scott M
>Cc: Yocto discussion list
>Subject: RE: [yocto] replace references to hob with references to toaster?
>
>On Fri, 1 Aug 2014, Rifenbark, Scott M wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >From: yocto-bounces@yoctoproject.org [mailto:yocto-
>> >bounces@yoctoproject.org] On Behalf Of Robert P. J. Day
>> >Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 12:58 PM
>> >To: Yocto discussion list
>> >Subject: [yocto] replace references to hob with references to toaster?
>> >
>> >
>> > both in the docs and on the web/wiki pages, there would appear to
>> >be some places that need some updating.
>> >
>> > the dev manual, ch 4, has references to hob but none to toaster --
>> >should that not be updated?
>>
>> If I understand Toaster correctly (and someone can correct me if I am
>> wrong), it just reports information on a build. I don't think you use
>> Toaster to actually build anything. Thus, Chapter 4, which talks
>> about methods of developing an image, would not want to include
>> Toaster as a method.
>
> having never used toaster (yet), i may be entirely off-base. but the toaster wiki
>page:
>
>https://wiki.yoctoproject.org/wiki/Toaster
>
>claims:
>
>"Toaster is a web-based interface to the Bitbake build system and the Poky
>distribution inside the Yocto Project. This project was formerly known as Web
>Hob / Webhob / webhob, and you may still find references to the old name in
>the documentation."
>
> that pretty clearly suggests it does building and is meant to supersede hob, no?
>
>rday
>
>--
>
>=================================================================
>=======
>Robert P. J. Day Ottawa, Ontario, CANADA
> http://crashcourse.ca
>
>Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday
>LinkedIn: http://ca.linkedin.com/in/rpjday
>=================================================================
>=======
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: replace references to hob with references to toaster?
2014-08-01 8:22 ` Robert P. J. Day
2014-08-01 9:13 ` Rifenbark, Scott M
@ 2014-08-01 9:26 ` Rifenbark, Scott M
1 sibling, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Rifenbark, Scott M @ 2014-08-01 9:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Robert P. J. Day; +Cc: Yocto discussion list
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Robert P. J. Day [mailto:rpjday@crashcourse.ca]
>Sent: Friday, August 01, 2014 1:23 AM
>To: Rifenbark, Scott M
>Cc: Yocto discussion list
>Subject: RE: [yocto] replace references to hob with references to toaster?
>
>On Fri, 1 Aug 2014, Rifenbark, Scott M wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >From: yocto-bounces@yoctoproject.org [mailto:yocto-
>> >bounces@yoctoproject.org] On Behalf Of Robert P. J. Day
>> >Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 12:58 PM
>> >To: Yocto discussion list
>> >Subject: [yocto] replace references to hob with references to toaster?
>> >
>> >
>> > both in the docs and on the web/wiki pages, there would appear to
>> >be some places that need some updating.
>> >
>> > the dev manual, ch 4, has references to hob but none to toaster --
>> >should that not be updated?
>>
>> If I understand Toaster correctly (and someone can correct me if I am
>> wrong), it just reports information on a build. I don't think you use
>> Toaster to actually build anything. Thus, Chapter 4, which talks
>> about methods of developing an image, would not want to include
>> Toaster as a method.
>
> having never used toaster (yet), i may be entirely off-base. but the toaster wiki
>page:
>
>https://wiki.yoctoproject.org/wiki/Toaster
>
>claims:
>
>"Toaster is a web-based interface to the Bitbake build system and the Poky
>distribution inside the Yocto Project. This project was formerly known as Web
>Hob / Webhob / webhob, and you may still find references to the old name in
>the documentation."
>
> that pretty clearly suggests it does building and is meant to supersede hob, no?
Yes - this does clearly suggest that. I spoke to key people here and my understanding of the Hob and Toaster functionality is correct (i.e. Hob builds things and Toaster reports things). "Plans" are for 1.7 to have Toaster be able to build things. If that happens by release time, then I will need to update that chapter 4 in the dev manual to include a section on creating an image through Toaster and will leave the one in there for Hob since it will still be valid as a method for creating an image.
Regarding the wiki, that statement indicating that Toaster was formerly known as "Web Hob", etc. was missed. It needs to be removed.
>
>rday
>
>--
>
>=================================================================
>=======
>Robert P. J. Day Ottawa, Ontario, CANADA
> http://crashcourse.ca
>
>Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday
>LinkedIn: http://ca.linkedin.com/in/rpjday
>=================================================================
>=======
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: replace references to hob with references to toaster?
2014-07-31 19:57 replace references to hob with references to toaster? Robert P. J. Day
2014-08-01 5:39 ` Rifenbark, Scott M
@ 2014-08-01 9:38 ` Barros Pena, Belen
1 sibling, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Barros Pena, Belen @ 2014-08-01 9:38 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Robert P. J. Day, Yocto discussion list
On 31/07/2014 20:57, "Robert P. J. Day" <rpjday@crashcourse.ca> wrote:
>
> both in the docs and on the web/wiki pages, there would appear to be
>some places that need some updating.
>
> the dev manual, ch 4, has references to hob but none to toaster --
>should that not be updated?
>
> also, the link to hob in the dev manual takes one here:
>
>https://www.yoctoproject.org/tools-resources/projects/hob
>
>where there is no mention of toaster. and on the general internal
>projects page here:
>
>https://www.yoctoproject.org/tools-resources/projects
>
>there are references to both hob and toaster, with no mention of
>toaster being the newer version,
That's because Toaster is not a new version of Hob. Hob was created as a
simple build utility. The goal was making the process of running your
first Yocto Project build as easy as possible, and that's all it does.
Toaster aims to be a web interface to the build system (that loosely
meaning OE and BitBake). The goal is to structure it as a set of modules
that do different things. One of those modules will allow you to configure
and run builds, so that module will probably grow to the point where it
will do exactly what Hob does, and then Toaster will replace Hob. But that
point is not 1.7, I'm afraid, so Hob is not being replaced by Toaster yet.
If this needs to be clarified, I can add a "Hob's twisted relationship
with Toaster" section in the website and wiki explaining the above.
>unless you follow the link to the
>wiki toaster page:
>
>https://wiki.yoctoproject.org/wiki/Toaster
That wiki page says: "This project was formerly known as Web Hob / Webhob
/ webhob, and you
may still find references to the old name in the documentation." It was
not our intention to say that "Toaster is a replacement for Hob", so if
that's how it reads, we better change it! :)
Cheers
Belén
>
> oh, and that internal projects page also goes on about eglibc, with
>no mention that there is no further development planned for eglibc.
>
>rday
>
>--
>
>========================================================================
>Robert P. J. Day Ottawa, Ontario, CANADA
> http://crashcourse.ca
>
>Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday
>LinkedIn: http://ca.linkedin.com/in/rpjday
>========================================================================
>
>--
>_______________________________________________
>yocto mailing list
>yocto@yoctoproject.org
>https://lists.yoctoproject.org/listinfo/yocto
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
end of thread, other threads:[~2014-08-01 9:39 UTC | newest]
Thread overview: 6+ messages (download: mbox.gz follow: Atom feed
-- links below jump to the message on this page --
2014-07-31 19:57 replace references to hob with references to toaster? Robert P. J. Day
2014-08-01 5:39 ` Rifenbark, Scott M
2014-08-01 8:22 ` Robert P. J. Day
2014-08-01 9:13 ` Rifenbark, Scott M
2014-08-01 9:26 ` Rifenbark, Scott M
2014-08-01 9:38 ` Barros Pena, Belen
This is an external index of several public inboxes,
see mirroring instructions on how to clone and mirror
all data and code used by this external index.