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From: Sebastian Ott <sebott@linux.ibm.com>
To: Halil Pasic <pasic@linux.ibm.com>
Cc: kvm@vger.kernel.org, linux-s390@vger.kernel.org,
	Cornelia Huck <cohuck@redhat.com>,
	Martin Schwidefsky <schwidefsky@de.ibm.com>,
	virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	Christian Borntraeger <borntraeger@de.ibm.com>,
	Viktor Mihajlovski <mihajlov@linux.ibm.com>,
	Vasily Gorbik <gor@linux.ibm.com>,
	Janosch Frank <frankja@linux.ibm.com>,
	Claudio Imbrenda <imbrenda@linux.ibm.com>,
	Farhan Ali <alifm@linux.ibm.com>,
	Eric Farman <farman@linux.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 04/12] s390/cio: introduce cio DMA pool
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2019 14:12:31 +0200 (CEST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.21.1904121343040.1771@schleppi> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190412132010.3c74cb63@oc2783563651>

On Fri, 12 Apr 2019, Halil Pasic wrote:
> On Thu, 11 Apr 2019 20:25:01 +0200 (CEST)
> Sebastian Ott <sebott@linux.ibm.com> wrote:
> > I don't think we should use this global DMA pool. I guess it's OK for
> > stuff like airq (where we don't have a struct device at hand) but for
> > CCW we should use the device we have. Yes, this way we waste some memory
> > but all dma memory a device uses should fit in a page - so the wastage
> > is not too much.
> > 
> 
> Is what you envision an own gen_pool on for each subchannel (e.g. a
> struct io_subchannel member)?

Either that or if that's too much overhead simply map a page and create
a struct containing the few dma areas for that device.

> I'm struggling with understanding the expected benefits of a
> per-subchannel pool/allocator. Can you please tell me what benefits do
> you expect (over the current approach)?

Logically DMA is a capability of a device and the whole DMA API is build
around devices. Working around that just feels wrong. For practical
matters: DMA debugging will complain about misuse of a specific device or
driver.

> I understand you idea is to keep the CIO global pool for stuff that can
> not be tied to a single device (i.e. ariq). So the per device stuff would
> also mean more code. Would you be OK with postponing this alleged
> enhancement (i.e. implement it as a patch on top of this series)?

I don't like it but it's just in-kernel usage which we can change at any
time. So if it helps you to do it that way, why not..

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Sebastian Ott <sebott@linux.ibm.com>
To: Halil Pasic <pasic@linux.ibm.com>
Cc: Farhan Ali <alifm@linux.ibm.com>,
	linux-s390@vger.kernel.org, Eric Farman <farman@linux.ibm.com>,
	Claudio Imbrenda <imbrenda@linux.ibm.com>,
	Vasily Gorbik <gor@linux.ibm.com>,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, Cornelia Huck <cohuck@redhat.com>,
	virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	Martin Schwidefsky <schwidefsky@de.ibm.com>,
	Viktor Mihajlovski <mihajlov@linux.ibm.com>,
	Janosch Frank <frankja@linux.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 04/12] s390/cio: introduce cio DMA pool
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2019 14:12:31 +0200 (CEST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.21.1904121343040.1771@schleppi> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190412132010.3c74cb63@oc2783563651>

On Fri, 12 Apr 2019, Halil Pasic wrote:
> On Thu, 11 Apr 2019 20:25:01 +0200 (CEST)
> Sebastian Ott <sebott@linux.ibm.com> wrote:
> > I don't think we should use this global DMA pool. I guess it's OK for
> > stuff like airq (where we don't have a struct device at hand) but for
> > CCW we should use the device we have. Yes, this way we waste some memory
> > but all dma memory a device uses should fit in a page - so the wastage
> > is not too much.
> > 
> 
> Is what you envision an own gen_pool on for each subchannel (e.g. a
> struct io_subchannel member)?

Either that or if that's too much overhead simply map a page and create
a struct containing the few dma areas for that device.

> I'm struggling with understanding the expected benefits of a
> per-subchannel pool/allocator. Can you please tell me what benefits do
> you expect (over the current approach)?

Logically DMA is a capability of a device and the whole DMA API is build
around devices. Working around that just feels wrong. For practical
matters: DMA debugging will complain about misuse of a specific device or
driver.

> I understand you idea is to keep the CIO global pool for stuff that can
> not be tied to a single device (i.e. ariq). So the per device stuff would
> also mean more code. Would you be OK with postponing this alleged
> enhancement (i.e. implement it as a patch on top of this series)?

I don't like it but it's just in-kernel usage which we can change at any
time. So if it helps you to do it that way, why not..

  reply	other threads:[~2019-04-12 12:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 87+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-04-04 23:16 [RFC PATCH 00/12] s390: virtio: support protected virtualization Halil Pasic
2019-04-04 23:16 ` [RFC PATCH 01/12] virtio/s390: use vring_create_virtqueue Halil Pasic
2019-04-08 11:01   ` Cornelia Huck
2019-04-08 11:01     ` Cornelia Huck
2019-04-08 12:37     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-04-08 12:37       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-04-08 13:20     ` Halil Pasic
2019-04-04 23:16 ` [RFC PATCH 02/12] virtio/s390: DMA support for virtio-ccw Halil Pasic
2019-04-09  9:57   ` Cornelia Huck
2019-04-09  9:57     ` Cornelia Huck
2019-04-09 11:29     ` Halil Pasic
2019-04-09 13:01       ` Cornelia Huck
2019-04-09 13:01         ` Cornelia Huck
2019-04-09 13:23         ` Halil Pasic
2019-04-09 15:47           ` Cornelia Huck
2019-04-09 15:47             ` Cornelia Huck
2019-04-04 23:16 ` [RFC PATCH 03/12] s390/mm: force swiotlb for protected virtualization Halil Pasic
2019-04-09 10:16   ` Cornelia Huck
2019-04-09 10:16     ` Cornelia Huck
2019-04-09 10:54     ` Halil Pasic
2019-04-09 17:18       ` Cornelia Huck
2019-04-09 17:18         ` Cornelia Huck
2019-04-09 12:22   ` Christoph Hellwig
2019-04-09 12:22     ` Christoph Hellwig
2019-04-09 12:39     ` Halil Pasic
2019-04-04 23:16 ` [RFC PATCH 04/12] s390/cio: introduce cio DMA pool Halil Pasic
2019-04-09 10:44   ` Cornelia Huck
2019-04-09 10:44     ` Cornelia Huck
2019-04-09 12:11     ` Halil Pasic
2019-04-09 17:14       ` Cornelia Huck
2019-04-09 17:14         ` Cornelia Huck
2019-04-10 15:31         ` Halil Pasic
2019-04-10 16:07           ` Cornelia Huck
2019-04-10 16:07             ` Cornelia Huck
2019-04-10 16:52             ` Halil Pasic
2019-04-11 18:25   ` Sebastian Ott
2019-04-11 18:25     ` Sebastian Ott
2019-04-12 11:20     ` Halil Pasic
2019-04-12 12:12       ` Sebastian Ott [this message]
2019-04-12 12:12         ` Sebastian Ott
2019-04-12 15:30         ` Halil Pasic
2019-04-16 12:50           ` Sebastian Ott
2019-04-16 12:50             ` Sebastian Ott
2019-04-16 13:31             ` Halil Pasic
2019-04-04 23:16 ` [RFC PATCH 05/12] s390/cio: add protected virtualization support to cio Halil Pasic
2019-04-09 17:55   ` Cornelia Huck
2019-04-09 17:55     ` Cornelia Huck
2019-04-10  0:10     ` Halil Pasic
2019-04-10  8:25       ` Cornelia Huck
2019-04-10  8:25         ` Cornelia Huck
2019-04-10 13:02         ` Halil Pasic
2019-04-10 16:16           ` Cornelia Huck
2019-04-10 16:16             ` Cornelia Huck
2019-04-11 14:15   ` Sebastian Ott
2019-04-11 14:15     ` Sebastian Ott
2019-04-12 11:29     ` Halil Pasic
2019-04-04 23:16 ` [RFC PATCH 06/12] s390/airq: use DMA memory for adapter interrupts Halil Pasic
2019-04-04 23:16 ` [RFC PATCH 07/12] virtio/s390: use DMA memory for ccw I/O Halil Pasic
2019-04-10  8:42   ` Cornelia Huck
2019-04-10  8:42     ` Cornelia Huck
2019-04-10 14:42     ` Halil Pasic
2019-04-10 16:21       ` Cornelia Huck
2019-04-10 16:21         ` Cornelia Huck
2019-04-04 23:16 ` [RFC PATCH 08/12] virtio/s390: add indirection to indicators access Halil Pasic
2019-04-04 23:16 ` [RFC PATCH 09/12] virtio/s390: use DMA memory for notifiers Halil Pasic
2019-04-04 23:16 ` [RFC PATCH 10/12] virtio/s390: consolidate DMA allocations Halil Pasic
2019-04-10  8:46   ` Cornelia Huck
2019-04-10  8:46     ` Cornelia Huck
2019-04-10 15:12     ` Halil Pasic
2019-04-10 16:36       ` Cornelia Huck
2019-04-10 16:36         ` Cornelia Huck
2019-04-10 17:48         ` Halil Pasic
2019-04-11  9:24           ` Cornelia Huck
2019-04-11  9:24             ` Cornelia Huck
2019-04-11 10:10             ` Halil Pasic
2019-04-04 23:16 ` [RFC PATCH 11/12] virtio/s390: use the cio DMA pool Halil Pasic
2019-04-04 23:16 ` [RFC PATCH 12/12] virtio/s390: make airq summary indicators DMA Halil Pasic
2019-04-10  9:20 ` [RFC PATCH 00/12] s390: virtio: support protected virtualization Cornelia Huck
2019-04-10  9:20   ` Cornelia Huck
2019-04-10 15:57   ` Halil Pasic
2019-04-10 16:24     ` Cornelia Huck
2019-04-10 16:24       ` Cornelia Huck
2019-04-12 13:47 ` David Hildenbrand
2019-04-12 13:47   ` David Hildenbrand
2019-04-16 11:10   ` Halil Pasic
2019-04-16 11:50     ` David Hildenbrand
2019-04-16 11:50       ` David Hildenbrand

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