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From: Yosry Ahmed <yosry@kernel.org>
To: Brendan Jackman <brendan.jackman@linux.dev>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 03/26] mm: introduce AS_NO_DIRECT_MAP
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2026 00:32:46 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aoOoAYNxCX0dmJn7@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <DKNXALH7DITL.349JD9B5RM4EH@linux.dev>

> >> >> diff --git a/mm/mlock.c b/mm/mlock.c
> >> >> index efa6716e4dfbd..045b6779440b1 100644
> >> >> --- a/mm/mlock.c
> >> >> +++ b/mm/mlock.c
> >> >> @@ -474,7 +474,7 @@ static int mlock_fixup(struct vma_iterator *vmi, struct vm_area_struct *vma,
> >> >>  	int ret = 0;
> >> >>  
> >> >>  	if (vma_flags_same_pair(&old_vma_flags, new_vma_flags) ||
> >> >> -	    vma_is_secretmem(vma) || !vma_supports_mlock(vma)) {
> >> >> +	    vma_has_no_direct_map(vma) || !vma_supports_mlock(vma)) {
> >> >
> >> > I don't think this one is correct. From commit 1507f51255c9 ("mm:
> >> > introduce memfd_secret system call to create "secret" memory areas"):
> >> >
> >> >   Since the secretmem mappings are locked in memory they cannot exceed
> >> >   RLIMIT_MEMLOCK.  Since these mappings are already locked independently
> >> >   from mlock(), an attempt to mlock()/munlock() secretmem range would
> >> >   fail and mlockall()/munlockall() will ignore secretmem mappings.
> >> >
> >> > Seems like secretmem pages are just mlock()'d by default, hence the
> >> > check here. Maybe this also works for guest_memfd, but I don't think
> >> > it's a generalization that any pages without a direct mapping should
> >> > receive the same treatment here.
> >> 
> >> Ack, yeah this sounds correct to me.
> >> 
> >> I guess you could argue something like "the reason secretmem is
> >> implicitly mlocked is that it can't be reclaimed, because there's no
> >> direct map". But that doesn't generalise IMO, you could imagine letting
> >> the user say "remove this memory from the direct map, but I trust my
> >> swap system, you can swap it" and then use the mermap to implement
> >> reclaim.
> >
> > Exactly, I don't think no direct mapping implicitly means unreclaimable.
> > I don't think you actually need a direct mapping to read/write from
> > disk to memory?
> 
> Oh. I never thought about that! I suppose the DMA is gonna happen via
> some other address space, either it's via an IOMMU or it works directly
> on physical RAM.  So the kernel's direct map is irrelevant... Is that
> universal though? There must be cases where the CPU's mappings still
> matter...  Umm... needs more research!
> 
> (Don't think this blocks anything in this series though, let me know if
> you disagree...)

I think we probably just wanna keep the secretmem check here instead of
generalizing to all unmapped pages being mlocked?


  parent reply	other threads:[~2026-08-18  0:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 108+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-07-26 22:22 [PATCH v3 00/26] mm: Add ALLOC_UNMAPPED and AS_NO_DIRECT_MAP Brendan Jackman
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 01/26] set_memory: add folio_{zap,restore}_direct_map helpers Brendan Jackman
2026-07-27 10:33   ` Mike Rapoport
2026-07-29 11:42     ` Brendan Jackman
2026-07-30 20:34   ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-07-31  5:21     ` Mike Rapoport
2026-07-31 11:57       ` Brendan Jackman
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 02/26] mm/secretmem: make use of folio_{zap,restore}_direct_map Brendan Jackman
2026-07-27 10:40   ` Mike Rapoport
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 03/26] mm: introduce AS_NO_DIRECT_MAP Brendan Jackman
2026-07-30 21:06   ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-07-31 12:15     ` Brendan Jackman
2026-07-31 19:28       ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-08-07  0:02         ` Sean Christopherson
2026-08-07  0:13           ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-08-07  0:19             ` Sean Christopherson
2026-08-07  0:29               ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-08-07 14:26                 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-08-07 18:12                   ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-08-07 18:49                     ` Sean Christopherson
2026-08-07 19:39                       ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-08-07 22:44                         ` Sean Christopherson
2026-08-07 22:48                           ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-08-08 13:56         ` Brendan Jackman
2026-08-10 21:39           ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-08-10 21:46             ` Sean Christopherson
2026-08-13 15:32         ` Brendan Jackman
2026-08-13 17:25           ` Ackerley Tng
2026-08-18  0:32           ` Yosry Ahmed [this message]
2026-08-02 16:10   ` Mike Rapoport
2026-08-08  0:19   ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 04/26] x86/mm: split out preallocate_sub_pgd() Brendan Jackman
2026-07-31 22:10   ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-08-13 15:42     ` Brendan Jackman
2026-08-18  0:30       ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-08-02 16:13   ` Mike Rapoport
2026-08-13 15:46     ` Brendan Jackman
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 05/26] x86: move PAE PMD preallocation defines to header Brendan Jackman
2026-07-31 23:59   ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-08-13 15:49     ` Brendan Jackman
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 06/26] x86/tlb: Expose some flush function declarations to modules Brendan Jackman
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 07/26] x86/mm: introduce mm-local region Brendan Jackman
2026-08-02 16:27   ` Mike Rapoport
2026-08-13 16:10     ` Brendan Jackman
2026-08-03 22:29   ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-08-13 16:23     ` Brendan Jackman
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 08/26] x86/mm: move LDT remap into " Brendan Jackman
2026-08-03 22:33   ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 09/26] mm: Create flags arg for __apply_to_page_range() Brendan Jackman
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 10/26] mm: Add more flags " Brendan Jackman
2026-08-04  0:08   ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-08-13 16:40     ` Brendan Jackman
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 11/26] x86/mm: introduce the mermap Brendan Jackman
2026-08-02 16:40   ` Mike Rapoport
2026-08-13 16:44     ` Brendan Jackman
2026-08-04 18:38   ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 12/26] mm: KUnit tests for " Brendan Jackman
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 13/26] mm: introduce freetype_t Brendan Jackman
2026-08-04 22:23   ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-08-14 10:37     ` Brendan Jackman
2026-08-18  0:35       ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-08-04 23:02   ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-08-14 10:48     ` Brendan Jackman
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 14/26] mm: move migratetype definitions to freetype.h Brendan Jackman
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 15/26] mm/page_alloc: add support for freetypes with no freelist Brendan Jackman
2026-07-31 14:13   ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 16/26] mm: add definitions for allocating unmapped pages Brendan Jackman
2026-08-04 19:53   ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-08-14 11:22     ` Brendan Jackman
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 17/26] mm: encode freetype flags in pageblock flags Brendan Jackman
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 18/26] mm/page_alloc: separate pcplists by freetype flags Brendan Jackman
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 19/26] mm/page_alloc: rename ALLOC_NON_BLOCK back to _HARDER Brendan Jackman
2026-07-31 14:52   ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-08-03  9:20     ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-08-04 21:50     ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-08-14 12:09       ` Brendan Jackman
2026-08-18  0:45         ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 20/26] mm/page_alloc: introduce ALLOC_NOBLOCK Brendan Jackman
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 21/26] mm/page_alloc: implement FREETYPE_UNMAPPED allocations Brendan Jackman
2026-08-03  9:18   ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-08-15 14:12     ` Brendan Jackman
2026-08-04 23:41   ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-08-07  0:05     ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-08-14 12:31     ` Brendan Jackman
2026-08-04 23:53   ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-08-05 16:13     ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-08-15 14:28     ` Brendan Jackman
2026-08-18  0:55       ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-08-07  0:16   ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-08-15 14:30     ` Brendan Jackman
2026-08-18  0:50       ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-08-12 21:26   ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-08-15 14:43     ` Brendan Jackman
2026-08-18  0:49       ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-08-18  1:01   ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 22/26] mm: Minimal KUnit tests for some new page_alloc logic Brendan Jackman
2026-08-03  9:30   ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 23/26] mm: Split out NR_FREE_PAGES_BLOCKS_[UN]MAPPED Brendan Jackman
2026-08-03  9:32   ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 24/26] mm/page_alloc: always direct compact for unmapped allocs Brendan Jackman
2026-08-03  9:44   ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-08-15 14:44     ` Brendan Jackman
2026-08-06 23:29   ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 25/26] mm: plumb alloc flags into some alloc funcs Brendan Jackman
2026-08-03  9:52   ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 26/26] mm: add fast path for AS_NO_DIRECT_MAP Brendan Jackman
2026-08-08  0:06   ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-07-29 11:52 ` [PATCH v3 00/26] mm: Add ALLOC_UNMAPPED and AS_NO_DIRECT_MAP Brendan Jackman

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