From: "Theodore Tso" <tytso@mit.edu>
To: "Liam R. Howlett" <liam@infradead.org>
Cc: "David Hildenbrand (Arm)" <david@kernel.org>,
Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
"Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)" <ljs@kernel.org>,
Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@hansenpartnership.com>,
ksummit@lists.linux.dev,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Dave Airlie <airlied@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [MAINTAINERS SUMMIT] Time to call it quits for the maintainer summit?
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2026 13:46:15 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <aoSMSTIxK0nXHYDr@mit.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jguyya2bs2caylvcxu2gwl3g4sjuajb2fhjrpojwy5osyqyw55@doc2x6d5nm2y>
On Tue, Aug 18, 2026 at 11:32:07AM -0500, Liam R. Howlett wrote:
> The committee is looking at how to draw a line on the people to go and
> leave everything else up to the subsystem maintainers. This assumes the
> committee knows succession planning and actions in the subsystems and
> that they keep it top of mind.
I suspect that for major subsystems, if it *can* be planned, everyone
will know about it. I didn't want to talk about the details of
internal deliberations of the program committee, but it's safe to say
that Linus explicitly mentioned it, it was discussed by the program
committee, and we extended invitations to both Andrew and David.
There were people on this thread that seemed to assume that the
program committee had completely ignored the situation, but that
wasn't the case.
> There's also the point raised about more changes on the horizon, so we
> either make it a part of the process, trust the succession planning
> takes MS into account a year (or more) ahead of time, or risk a number
> of first timers at MS.
Personally, I'm not worried about first timers; in fact, having a
first timers is a *feature* not a bug. The opposite is the complaint
that it's always the same "clique" attending the Maintainers Summit.
As long as the new subsystem maintainers are experienced kernel
engineers, that's the most important issue. As far as process
concerns, as long as major subsystems give a heads to Linus (not to
mention discussions at LSF/MM, or Plumbers, both of which have
happened with different senior developers planning their upcoming
retirement), I don't think we really need to worry about the community
getting taken by surprise. So if things aren't broken, I'd argue that
we not add more formal procedures where they might not be necessary.
Cheers,
- Ted
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-08-18 17:47 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 87+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-08-06 15:34 [MAINTAINERS SUMMIT] Time to call it quits for the maintainer summit? James Bottomley
2026-08-06 23:41 ` Steven Rostedt
2026-08-07 13:53 ` Rafael J. Wysocki (Intel)
2026-08-07 14:53 ` Steven Rostedt
2026-08-07 16:33 ` James Bottomley
2026-08-07 17:27 ` Linus Torvalds
2026-08-07 19:03 ` James Bottomley
2026-08-07 19:51 ` Steven Rostedt
2026-08-07 20:12 ` Shuah Khan
2026-08-09 1:51 ` Theodore Tso
2026-08-09 18:47 ` Randy Dunlap
2026-08-09 19:04 ` Jonathan Corbet
2026-08-09 21:09 ` Steven Rostedt
2026-08-10 8:14 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-10 13:20 ` Steven Rostedt
2026-08-10 20:35 ` Liam R. Howlett
2026-08-10 21:05 ` Steven Rostedt
2026-08-11 0:14 ` Theodore Tso
2026-08-18 13:09 ` Liam R. Howlett
2026-08-18 14:02 ` Theodore Tso
2026-08-18 14:21 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-08-18 15:32 ` Liam R. Howlett
2026-08-18 17:46 ` Theodore Tso [this message]
2026-08-18 18:18 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-18 14:51 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-18 14:52 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-18 16:45 ` Theodore Tso
2026-08-18 17:00 ` James Bottomley
2026-08-18 17:25 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-09 21:56 ` Liam R. Howlett
2026-08-10 1:26 ` Theodore Tso
2026-08-10 2:40 ` Liam R. Howlett
2026-08-10 8:08 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-10 14:56 ` Theodore Tso
2026-08-10 15:49 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-09 18:39 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-09 18:42 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-09 22:10 ` Dave Airlie
2026-08-10 7:26 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-10 13:11 ` Steven Rostedt
2026-08-10 13:32 ` James Bottomley
2026-08-10 14:24 ` Steven Rostedt
2026-08-10 15:23 ` Mark Brown
2026-08-10 15:52 ` Randy Dunlap
2026-08-11 3:24 ` Dave Airlie
2026-08-11 5:29 ` Randy Dunlap
2026-08-11 6:53 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2026-08-11 13:29 ` Mark Brown
2026-08-10 22:47 ` Mark Brown
2026-08-11 8:12 ` Dup commits in NFC trees [Was: Time to call it quits for the maintainer summit?] Matthieu Baerts
2026-08-11 13:17 ` Mark Brown
2026-08-11 16:39 ` David Heidelberg
2026-08-11 16:58 ` Mark Brown
2026-08-11 3:29 ` [MAINTAINERS SUMMIT] Time to call it quits for the maintainer summit? Dave Airlie
2026-08-11 7:12 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2026-08-11 8:16 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2026-08-11 19:54 ` Rodrigo Vivi
2026-08-11 23:10 ` Mark Brown
2026-08-12 20:33 ` Dave Airlie
2026-08-13 11:48 ` Mark Brown
2026-08-18 9:38 ` Jani Nikula
2026-08-18 16:50 ` Mark Brown
2026-08-11 14:26 ` Mark Brown
2026-08-12 6:00 ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2026-08-12 6:20 ` Dave Airlie
2026-08-12 7:07 ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2026-08-12 7:41 ` Greg KH
2026-08-12 8:05 ` Dave Airlie
2026-08-12 12:48 ` Mark Brown
2026-08-10 21:30 ` Dave Airlie
2026-08-10 21:45 ` Liam R. Howlett
2026-08-11 8:22 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-11 8:19 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-11 9:06 ` Jiri Kosina
2026-08-11 9:34 ` Dave Airlie
2026-08-11 13:47 ` Steven Rostedt
2026-08-10 7:42 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2026-08-10 15:07 ` Theodore Tso
2026-08-07 12:58 ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-08-07 13:09 ` James Bottomley
2026-08-07 13:28 ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-08-07 20:15 ` H. Peter Anvin
2026-08-07 19:15 ` Chris Mason
2026-08-07 19:53 ` Steven Rostedt
2026-08-07 23:19 ` Theodore Tso
2026-08-10 13:54 ` James Bottomley
2026-08-10 14:41 ` Steven Rostedt
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