From: "Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)" <ljs@kernel.org>
To: Theodore Tso <tytso@mit.edu>
Cc: "Liam R. Howlett" <liam@infradead.org>,
Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@hansenpartnership.com>,
ksummit@lists.linux.dev,
"David Hildenbrand (Arm)" <david@kernel.org>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Dave Airlie <airlied@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [MAINTAINERS SUMMIT] Time to call it quits for the maintainer summit?
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2026 18:25:47 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <aoSNkGUJUxWfUPaM@gremlin> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aoSIANv2L18fV4RN@mit.edu>
On Tue, Aug 18, 2026 at 12:45:52PM -0400, Theodore Tso wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 18, 2026 at 03:51:16PM -0500, Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM) wrote:
> > TBF I did make concrete process suggestions myself here:
> >
> > https://lore.kernel.org/all/anntucHhrzF_b4sy@lucifer/
> >
> > And here (documentation):
> >
> > https://lore.kernel.org/all/anntucHhrzF_b4sy@lucifer/
>
> These are the same URL; cut and paste error?
Yup sorry I hadn't realised I'd made both points in the same email :)
>
> > And they got ignored, so I'm not _entirely_ sure that's what you
> > guys are after here :)
>
> The above message was essentially a suggestion to (a) improve the
> Maintainer Summit Call for Topics, and (b) document the full process,
> with all of the details in the Documentation directory. The first is
> something that wasn't immediately actionable --- it's something to do
> for next year, and the second is one that we could do eventually, but
> to be honest, it didn't seem super urgent given that it's documented
> in this e-mail thread, and many of us have other things with shorter
> timelines (such as the merge window) that is keeping us busy.
>
> I'm sorry that you feel ignored, but we all have tons and tons on our
> things screaming for our attention.
I mean honestly that isn't very convincing - the entire thread was
low-priority and we're all very very busy.
So I'll eat my hat if either of those suggestions ever actually get
actioned :) [or you can choose a suitable actually edible alternative if
you hold me to this ;)]
It's all rather embelmatic of the MS as a whole - appearance of community
but structurally not that. And what complicate it is that it probably _has_
to be that way for things to be functional, as discussed ad infinitum in
these threads.
I do still feel that we should just be honest about that (that's what my
suggestions were about), but you know, hat, fork :)
>
> Cheers,
>
> - Ted
--
Cheers, Lorenzo
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Thread overview: 87+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-08-06 15:34 [MAINTAINERS SUMMIT] Time to call it quits for the maintainer summit? James Bottomley
2026-08-06 23:41 ` Steven Rostedt
2026-08-07 13:53 ` Rafael J. Wysocki (Intel)
2026-08-07 14:53 ` Steven Rostedt
2026-08-07 16:33 ` James Bottomley
2026-08-07 17:27 ` Linus Torvalds
2026-08-07 19:03 ` James Bottomley
2026-08-07 19:51 ` Steven Rostedt
2026-08-07 20:12 ` Shuah Khan
2026-08-09 1:51 ` Theodore Tso
2026-08-09 18:47 ` Randy Dunlap
2026-08-09 19:04 ` Jonathan Corbet
2026-08-09 21:09 ` Steven Rostedt
2026-08-10 8:14 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-10 13:20 ` Steven Rostedt
2026-08-10 20:35 ` Liam R. Howlett
2026-08-10 21:05 ` Steven Rostedt
2026-08-11 0:14 ` Theodore Tso
2026-08-18 13:09 ` Liam R. Howlett
2026-08-18 14:02 ` Theodore Tso
2026-08-18 14:21 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-08-18 15:32 ` Liam R. Howlett
2026-08-18 17:46 ` Theodore Tso
2026-08-18 18:18 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-18 14:51 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-18 14:52 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-18 16:45 ` Theodore Tso
2026-08-18 17:00 ` James Bottomley
2026-08-18 17:25 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM) [this message]
2026-08-09 21:56 ` Liam R. Howlett
2026-08-10 1:26 ` Theodore Tso
2026-08-10 2:40 ` Liam R. Howlett
2026-08-10 8:08 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-10 14:56 ` Theodore Tso
2026-08-10 15:49 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-09 18:39 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-09 18:42 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-09 22:10 ` Dave Airlie
2026-08-10 7:26 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-10 13:11 ` Steven Rostedt
2026-08-10 13:32 ` James Bottomley
2026-08-10 14:24 ` Steven Rostedt
2026-08-10 15:23 ` Mark Brown
2026-08-10 15:52 ` Randy Dunlap
2026-08-11 3:24 ` Dave Airlie
2026-08-11 5:29 ` Randy Dunlap
2026-08-11 6:53 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2026-08-11 13:29 ` Mark Brown
2026-08-10 22:47 ` Mark Brown
2026-08-11 8:12 ` Dup commits in NFC trees [Was: Time to call it quits for the maintainer summit?] Matthieu Baerts
2026-08-11 13:17 ` Mark Brown
2026-08-11 16:39 ` David Heidelberg
2026-08-11 16:58 ` Mark Brown
2026-08-11 3:29 ` [MAINTAINERS SUMMIT] Time to call it quits for the maintainer summit? Dave Airlie
2026-08-11 7:12 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2026-08-11 8:16 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2026-08-11 19:54 ` Rodrigo Vivi
2026-08-11 23:10 ` Mark Brown
2026-08-12 20:33 ` Dave Airlie
2026-08-13 11:48 ` Mark Brown
2026-08-18 9:38 ` Jani Nikula
2026-08-18 16:50 ` Mark Brown
2026-08-11 14:26 ` Mark Brown
2026-08-12 6:00 ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2026-08-12 6:20 ` Dave Airlie
2026-08-12 7:07 ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2026-08-12 7:41 ` Greg KH
2026-08-12 8:05 ` Dave Airlie
2026-08-12 12:48 ` Mark Brown
2026-08-10 21:30 ` Dave Airlie
2026-08-10 21:45 ` Liam R. Howlett
2026-08-11 8:22 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-11 8:19 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-11 9:06 ` Jiri Kosina
2026-08-11 9:34 ` Dave Airlie
2026-08-11 13:47 ` Steven Rostedt
2026-08-10 7:42 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2026-08-10 15:07 ` Theodore Tso
2026-08-07 12:58 ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-08-07 13:09 ` James Bottomley
2026-08-07 13:28 ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-08-07 20:15 ` H. Peter Anvin
2026-08-07 19:15 ` Chris Mason
2026-08-07 19:53 ` Steven Rostedt
2026-08-07 23:19 ` Theodore Tso
2026-08-10 13:54 ` James Bottomley
2026-08-10 14:41 ` Steven Rostedt
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