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From: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
To: Michael Roth <michael.roth@amd.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v11 15/46] KVM: guest_memfd: Call arch make_shared callback for to-shared conversion
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2026 13:54:02 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <apCj6gz8x24Dkle8@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ztufznh6v5md5cn56t7pvokubvbpc3yki6dhiilgebb5uq3ju3@aa4xc6wwte5r>

On Wed, Aug 26, 2026, Michael Roth wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 26, 2026 at 03:33:43PM -0700, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> > > So there's real performance differences here but it's sort of been
> > > addressed through a solution that offers additional performance
> > > benefits on top so there's no longer as much to be gained here I think.
> > 
> > Or another way to look at it, eager conversion would allow QEMU to drop its
> > workaround.
> 
> True, for SNP at least, but pre-map is nice too, and not really gmem's
> place, so most likely KVM_PRE_FAULT_MEMORY would remain regardless.

Hmm, good point.  And as below, we can't sanely avoid the check in kvm_gmem_get_pfn()
without reintroducing the preparation tracking, so the lazy approach is probably
the best option at this point.

> > To be clear, I'm a-ok with the code as-is, I just want to make sure we document
> > exactly why we're choosing this implementation.
> 
> Agreed. My understanding of the current design choice is basically that
> it doesn't *need* to happen here, since kvm_gmem_get_pfn() will already
> trigger it on-demand when it is actually needed (or not), and that tends
> to happen at fault time when other platforms like TDX handle it. 

Oh, this jogged my memory.  For out-of-place conversion, waiting until
kvm_gmem_get_pfn() to update the RMP makes sense because KVM doesn't know whether
or not the SHARED backing as been allocated, and can't easily get at it in the
first place.

> To handle it differently would be to go out of our way to make SNP special in
> this flow in exchange for performance, 

Not really?  We'd still need kvm_gmem_get_pfn() to update the RMP to handle PFNs
that were never explicitly converted.  Either that or KVM would have to preallocate
everything (ewww).

  reply	other threads:[~2026-08-27 20:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-08-26  9:17 [PATCH v11 00/46] guest_memfd: In-place conversion support Ackerley Tng
2026-08-26  9:17 ` [PATCH v11 01/46] KVM: guest_memfd: Optimize away conversion overheads via dead-code elimination Ackerley Tng
2026-08-26  9:18 ` [PATCH v11 02/46] KVM: guest_memfd: Use kvm_mem_is_private() when populating guest_memfd memory Ackerley Tng
2026-08-26  9:18 ` [PATCH v11 03/46] KVM: guest_memfd: Introduce per-gmem attributes, use to guard user mappings Ackerley Tng
2026-08-26  9:18 ` [PATCH v11 04/46] KVM: Rename KVM_GENERIC_MEMORY_ATTRIBUTES to KVM_VM_MEMORY_ATTRIBUTES Ackerley Tng
2026-08-26  9:18 ` [PATCH v11 05/46] KVM: Enumerate support for PRIVATE memory iff kvm_arch_has_private_mem is defined Ackerley Tng
2026-08-26  9:18 ` [PATCH v11 06/46] KVM: Rename memory attribute APIs to prepare for in-place gmem conversion Ackerley Tng
2026-08-26  9:18 ` [PATCH v11 07/46] KVM: Rename kvm_mem_is_private() to kvm_is_private_gfn() Ackerley Tng
2026-08-26  9:18 ` [PATCH v11 08/46] KVM: Provide generic interface for checking memory private/shared status Ackerley Tng
2026-08-26  9:18 ` [PATCH v11 09/46] KVM: guest_memfd: Stub in ability to enable in-place shared<=>private conversion Ackerley Tng
2026-08-26  9:18 ` [PATCH v11 10/46] KVM: Consolidate private memory and guest_memfd ifdeffery in kvm_host.h Ackerley Tng
2026-08-26  9:18 ` [PATCH v11 11/46] KVM: guest_memfd: Invalidate both SHARED and PRIVATE mappings for in-place conversions Ackerley Tng
2026-08-26  9:18 ` [PATCH v11 12/46] KVM: guest_memfd: Pass mapping type filter to invalidation helper Ackerley Tng
2026-08-26  9:18 ` [PATCH v11 13/46] KVM: guest_memfd: Add base support for KVM_SET_MEMORY_ATTRIBUTES2 Ackerley Tng
2026-08-26  9:18 ` [PATCH v11 14/46] KVM: guest_memfd: Ensure pages are not in use before conversion Ackerley Tng
2026-08-26  9:18 ` [PATCH v11 15/46] KVM: guest_memfd: Call arch make_shared callback for to-shared conversion Ackerley Tng
2026-08-26 19:44   ` Sean Christopherson
2026-08-26 22:17     ` Michael Roth
2026-08-26 22:33       ` Sean Christopherson
2026-08-26 23:47         ` Michael Roth
2026-08-27 20:54           ` Sean Christopherson [this message]
2026-08-28  4:19     ` Ackerley Tng
2026-08-28 14:57       ` Sean Christopherson
2026-08-26  9:18 ` [PATCH v11 16/46] KVM: guest_memfd: Return early if range already has requested attributes Ackerley Tng
2026-08-26  9:18 ` [PATCH v11 17/46] mm/gup: factor out LRU cache draining for folio into lru_cache_drain_for_folio() Ackerley Tng
2026-08-26  9:18 ` [PATCH v11 18/46] KVM: guest_memfd: Handle lru_add fbatch refcounts during conversion safety check Ackerley Tng
2026-08-26  9:18 ` [PATCH v11 19/46] KVM: guest_memfd: Zero page while getting pfn Ackerley Tng
2026-08-26  9:18 ` [PATCH v11 20/46] KVM: SEV: Make 'uaddr' parameter optional for KVM_SEV_SNP_LAUNCH_UPDATE Ackerley Tng
2026-08-26  9:18 ` [PATCH v11 21/46] KVM: TDX: Make source page optional for KVM_TDX_INIT_MEM_REGION Ackerley Tng
2026-08-26  9:18 ` [PATCH v11 22/46] KVM: Move KVM_VM_MEMORY_ATTRIBUTES config definition to x86 Ackerley Tng
2026-08-26  9:18 ` [PATCH v11 23/46] KVM: Let userspace disable per-VM mem attributes, enable per-gmem attributes Ackerley Tng
2026-08-26  9:18 ` [PATCH v11 24/46] KVM: guest_memfd: Enable INIT_SHARED on guest_memfd for x86 Coco VMs Ackerley Tng
2026-08-26  9:18 ` [PATCH v11 25/46] KVM: selftests: Create gmem fd before "regular" fd when adding memslot Ackerley Tng
2026-08-26  9:18 ` [PATCH v11 26/46] KVM: selftests: Rename guest_memfd{,_offset} to gmem_{fd,offset} Ackerley Tng
2026-08-26  9:18 ` [PATCH v11 27/46] KVM: selftests: Add support for mmap() on guest_memfd in core library Ackerley Tng
2026-08-26  9:18 ` [PATCH v11 28/46] KVM: selftests: Add selftests global for guest memory attributes capability Ackerley Tng
2026-08-26  9:18 ` [PATCH v11 29/46] KVM: selftests: Add helpers for calling ioctls on guest_memfd Ackerley Tng
2026-08-26  9:18 ` [PATCH v11 30/46] KVM: selftests: Test basic single-page conversion flow Ackerley Tng
2026-08-26  9:18 ` [PATCH v11 31/46] KVM: selftests: Test conversion flow when INIT_SHARED Ackerley Tng
2026-08-26  9:18 ` [PATCH v11 32/46] KVM: selftests: Test conversion precision in guest_memfd Ackerley Tng
2026-08-26  9:18 ` [PATCH v11 33/46] KVM: selftests: Test conversion before allocation Ackerley Tng
2026-08-26  9:18 ` [PATCH v11 34/46] KVM: selftests: Convert with allocated folios in different layouts Ackerley Tng
2026-08-26  9:18 ` [PATCH v11 35/46] KVM: selftests: Test that truncation does not change shared/private status Ackerley Tng
2026-08-26  9:18 ` [PATCH v11 36/46] KVM: selftests: Test that shared/private status is consistent across processes Ackerley Tng
2026-08-26  9:18 ` [PATCH v11 37/46] KVM: selftests: Add helpers to pin pages with CONFIG_GUP_TEST Ackerley Tng
2026-08-26  9:18 ` [PATCH v11 38/46] KVM: selftests: Test conversion with elevated page refcount Ackerley Tng
2026-08-26  9:18 ` [PATCH v11 39/46] KVM: selftests: Reset shared memory after hole-punching Ackerley Tng
2026-08-26  9:18 ` [PATCH v11 40/46] KVM: selftests: Provide function to look up guest_memfd details from gpa Ackerley Tng
2026-08-26  9:18 ` [PATCH v11 41/46] KVM: selftests: Provide common function to set memory attributes Ackerley Tng
2026-08-26  9:18 ` [PATCH v11 42/46] KVM: selftests: Make TEST_EXPECT_SIGBUS thread-safe Ackerley Tng
2026-08-26  9:18 ` [PATCH v11 43/46] KVM: selftests: Support guest_memfd attributes in private_mem_conversions_test Ackerley Tng
2026-08-26  9:18 ` [PATCH v11 44/46] KVM: selftests: Set up page size and alignment independently for guest_memfd Ackerley Tng
2026-08-26  9:18 ` [PATCH v11 45/46] KVM: selftests: Test in-place conversions in private_mem_conversions_test Ackerley Tng
2026-08-26  9:18 ` [PATCH v11 46/46] KVM: selftests: Update private memory exits test to work with per-gmem attributes Ackerley Tng

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