From: Alejandro Colomar <alx@kernel.org>
To: Larry Kollar <larry.kollar@icloud.com>
Cc: Groff <groff@gnu.org>, linux-man@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Using LS/LE (was: [PATCH v4 2/4] man/man5/tunables.conf: Document system-wide tunables config)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2026 10:52:58 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <apKdoCfK_tYf5wX8@devuan> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <apKcB5bwhYRoZdR4@devuan>
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> Date: 2026-08-29 10:45:34+0200
> From: Alejandro Colomar <alx@kernel.org>
>
> > Date: 2026-08-29 10:42:14+0200
> > From: Alejandro Colomar <alx@kernel.org>
> >
> > Hi Larry,
> >
> > > Date: 2026-08-28 22:50:50-0400
> > > From: Larry Kollar <larry.kollar@icloud.com>
> > >
> > >
> > > Alejandro Colomar <alx@kernel.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I believe that a set of makefiles that would handle all of the targets
> > > > of a project like groff wouldn't take much more than that. It might be
> > > > a few hundred kB. If it's well organized, it can be maintainable.
> > > >
> > > > Because the makefile language is so simple, bugs are easy to spot and
> > > > fix, compared to autotools (possibly automake, but I can't distinguish
> > > > them enough).
> > >
> > > I don’t know. Can a Makefile check for the presence of certain libraries
> > > or other apps and fail gracefully (by which I mean exiting with a message
> > > like “You need app X, plus libraries Y and Z, installed to successfully
> > > compile this.”)? That’s one of the things that “makes" me appreciate taking
> > > that extra step of typing `.configure` before make.
> >
> > Yes, it can. Here's a trivial test for that:
> >
> > alx@devuan:~/tmp/testlib$ cat Makefile
> > HAS_LIBFOO := $(shell find /usr/include/foo.h >/dev/null && echo yes || echo no)
You can also trivially test with gcc(1) instead of find(1):
$ echo '#include <foo.h>' | gcc -x c -E >/dev/null 2>&1 && echo yes || echo no
no
If you put that expression within $(shell ...), you can use it similarly.
Cheers,
alex
> >
> > ifeq ($(HAS_LIBFOO),no)
> > $(error You need library FOO installed to successfully compile this.)
>
> Oh, I didn't need the period here...
>
> > endif
> >
> > all:
> > echo Done
> > alx@devuan:~/tmp/testlib$ make
> > find: ‘/usr/include/foo.h’: No such file or directory
> > Makefile:4: *** You need library FOO installed to successfully compile this.. Stop.
>
> ... make(1) already appended one here.
>
> :)
>
> >
> > You may of course write more complex tests if you need. Anything that
> > you can do with a shell script, you can do it with a Makefile.
> >
> > That said, I personally prefer to fail compilation due to missing header
> > files. It's simpler, and there's not much difference. After all, if
> > compilation fails for <foo.h>, it's trivial to run
> >
> > $ apt-file find /include/foo.h
> >
> > But if you want the test, you can have it.
> >
> >
> > Have a lovely day!
> > Alex
> >
> > --
> > <https://www.alejandro-colomar.es>
>
>
>
> --
> <https://www.alejandro-colomar.es>
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Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-08-03 19:21 [PATCH v4 2/4] man/man5/tunables.conf: Document system-wide tunables config DJ Delorie
2026-08-06 14:37 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-06 15:33 ` DJ Delorie
2026-08-06 19:14 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-06 20:17 ` DJ Delorie
2026-08-06 20:31 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-06 20:42 ` DJ Delorie
2026-08-07 2:12 ` G. Branden Robinson
2026-08-07 3:29 ` DJ Delorie
2026-08-07 3:49 ` G. Branden Robinson
2026-08-07 4:01 ` DJ Delorie
2026-08-07 4:09 ` G. Branden Robinson
2026-08-23 12:29 ` Using LS/LE (was: [PATCH v4 2/4] man/man5/tunables.conf: Document system-wide tunables config) Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-23 13:27 ` G. Branden Robinson
2026-08-23 13:55 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-23 14:16 ` G. Branden Robinson
2026-08-23 15:06 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-23 16:44 ` G. Branden Robinson
2026-08-23 19:30 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-23 20:40 ` G. Branden Robinson
2026-08-23 23:11 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-24 1:11 ` G. Branden Robinson
2026-08-24 2:01 ` Using LS/LE Collin Funk
2026-08-24 11:08 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-24 11:00 ` Using LS/LE (was: [PATCH v4 2/4] man/man5/tunables.conf: Document system-wide tunables config) Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-23 22:31 ` autotools, was: Using LS/LE Ingo Schwarze
2026-08-24 0:09 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-29 4:36 ` G. Branden Robinson
2026-08-29 11:34 ` Ingo Schwarze
2026-08-29 12:51 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-29 19:16 ` G. Branden Robinson
2026-08-29 21:43 ` Alejandro Colomar
[not found] ` <8DE76435-CBDB-42D6-9E0F-9E27291560B6@icloud.com>
2026-08-29 8:42 ` Using LS/LE (was: [PATCH v4 2/4] man/man5/tunables.conf: Document system-wide tunables config) Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-29 8:45 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-29 8:52 ` Alejandro Colomar [this message]
2026-08-29 9:02 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-29 9:39 ` Ingo Schwarze
2026-08-29 13:10 ` configure separate from make or not (was: Using LS/LE) Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-29 15:31 ` configure separate from make or not Ingo Schwarze
2026-08-29 20:49 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-30 13:17 ` Alejandro Colomar
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