From: "Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)" <ljs@kernel.org>
To: Nick Desaulniers <ndesaulniers@google.com>
Cc: "Nathan Chancellor" <nathan@kernel.org>,
"Linus Torvalds" <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/23] kbuild: significantly speed up kernel builds
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2026 15:17:00 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <aqFptJRjLZIL-NX7@gremlin> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAKwvOdmdFdW8=y+s5NLoNeKz4LVbmW8tr+JqJ26wqYFJDdARFQ@mail.gmail.com>
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On Tue, Sep 08, 2026 at 02:06:18PM -0700, Nick Desaulniers wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 8, 2026 at 1:55 PM Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM) <ljs@kernel.org> wrote:
> >
> > A typical kernel build consists of a frustratingly large amount of time
> > spent stuck in single-threaded bottlenecks.
> >
> > It turns out that there's a lot we can do about this and doing so
> > significantly impacts kernel build times.
>
>
> > Fundamentally the series improves build times by parallelising
> > single-threaded tasks as much as possible and improving the efficiency of
> > code used in the build process.
>
> Cool! I have not reviewed this patch series, but am supportive of
> solving the problem, since I do recall this being an issue;
Thanks :)
>
> i.e. it always annoyed me that despite have a 128 core machine, much
> of the build is sequential! Having all those cores and not saturating
> them during a build was always something I noticed (usually have
> system monitor always showing system load, always) but never had time
> to look into.
Yeah this was exactly the motivation.
I've seen single-threaded stalls endlessly in kernel builds, even on smaller
boxes, and thought that there must be a lot of low-hanging fruit there.
Obviously I have not enough time to do anything extra (TM) so never dug
into it.
Which made it a great candidate for LLM usage (though with a LOT of taming,
reviewing, auditing, rewriting of code because I _still_ have to be able to
maintain my changes and there's still a bar there :)
>
> It would be cool if your LLM could generate any visualizations of
> what's going on during a build? Seeing what's serial vs parallelized
> in perhaps useful. Particularly when you can compare the before vs
> after.
Great idea!
I asked it to do exactly that, attached. Came out quite nice and sums it up
nicely :)
It also provided an ASCII version:
x86 allmodconfig, clang, 128 threads. One character per interval: height = CPU utilisation,
letter beneath = what was running (C compile, L link, O objtool, P modpost, K kallsyms, Z compress, m make, . idle)
== clean build (4s per character) ==
before ▁▁▁▁▁▂█████████████████████████████████████████████████████████▃▁▁▁▁▁▁▁███████████▇▅▁▁ 343.6s
mCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCOOOOPPPCCCCCCCCCCCCCLL
after ▁▆████████████████████████████████████████████████████████▇▁▁▁▄██▆▁ 265.6s
CCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCOOCCCCC
== touch mm/vma.c (0.5s per character) ==
before ▁▁▁█▂▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁ 45.7s
mCmCCmmmCLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOmPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPCLmKKKCCCmmKKKCCCLmmmmmmCCZZZZZZZZZZZZZZC
after ▁▁▅▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▂▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▂▁ 15.7s
mmCCCLOOOOOOOOOPPPPLKCKCLmmmmmCC
== no-op make (0.2s per character) ==
before ▁▁▁▁▁▁▁███▂▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁ 14.4s
CCCCmmmCCCmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
after ▁▁▁▁▄▆▄▁ 2.0s
CCmmmCmm
> --
> Thanks,
> ~Nick Desaulniers
--
Cheers, Lorenzo
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2026-09-08 20:55 [PATCH 00/23] kbuild: significantly speed up kernel builds Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-08 20:55 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-08 20:55 ` [PATCH 01/23] scripts/mksysmap: drop the MODULE_INFO() symbols from kallsyms Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-08 20:55 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-09 19:47 ` Nicolas Schier
2026-09-09 19:47 ` Nicolas Schier
2026-09-10 11:00 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-10 11:00 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-10 4:19 ` Nathan Chancellor
2026-09-10 4:19 ` Nathan Chancellor
2026-09-10 11:03 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-10 11:03 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-10 19:00 ` Nicolas Schier
2026-09-10 19:00 ` Nicolas Schier
2026-09-08 20:55 ` [PATCH 02/23] scripts/mksysmap: fix escape of '$' in the __pi_ pattern Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-08 20:55 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-09 19:47 ` Nicolas Schier
2026-09-09 19:47 ` Nicolas Schier
2026-09-10 11:04 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-10 11:04 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-10 4:19 ` Nathan Chancellor
2026-09-10 4:19 ` Nathan Chancellor
2026-09-10 11:21 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-10 11:21 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-10 19:00 ` Nicolas Schier
2026-09-10 19:00 ` Nicolas Schier
2026-09-08 20:55 ` [PATCH 03/23] kallsyms: index symbols by token to speed up table compression Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-08 20:55 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-08 20:55 ` [PATCH 04/23] kallsyms: output binary data to speed output and kallsyms assembly Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-08 20:55 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-09 14:35 ` Linus Torvalds
2026-09-09 14:35 ` Linus Torvalds
2026-09-10 9:29 ` David Laight
2026-09-10 9:29 ` David Laight
2026-09-11 11:07 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-11 11:07 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-12 6:38 ` [4/23] " Markus Elfring
2026-09-12 6:38 ` Markus Elfring
2026-09-08 20:55 ` [PATCH 05/23] kbuild: do not sort nm output where the order is irrelevant Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-08 20:55 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-10 4:19 ` Nathan Chancellor
2026-09-10 4:19 ` Nathan Chancellor
2026-09-08 20:55 ` [PATCH 06/23] kbuild: only emit vmlinux relocations when required Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-08 20:55 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-10 4:19 ` Nathan Chancellor
2026-09-10 4:19 ` Nathan Chancellor
2026-09-13 19:33 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-13 19:33 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-08 20:55 ` [PATCH 07/23] elf-parse: add section flags, symbol binding and a read-only mapping Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-08 20:55 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-08 20:55 ` [PATCH 08/23] kallsyms: reimplement mksysmap in C Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-08 20:55 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-11 18:52 ` Markus Elfring
2026-09-11 18:52 ` Markus Elfring
2026-09-11 19:15 ` Markus Elfring
2026-09-11 19:15 ` Markus Elfring
2026-09-11 19:42 ` Markus Elfring
2026-09-11 19:42 ` Markus Elfring
2026-09-08 20:55 ` [PATCH 09/23] kbuild: do not allocate .modinfo in vmlinux Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-08 20:55 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-10 4:19 ` Nathan Chancellor
2026-09-10 4:19 ` Nathan Chancellor
2026-09-10 10:59 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-10 10:59 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-08 20:55 ` [PATCH 10/23] kbuild: cache list, composite object state per object Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-08 20:55 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-08 20:55 ` [PATCH 11/23] kbuild: implement and use depcheck to check dependency timestamps Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-08 20:55 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-09 15:26 ` Linus Torvalds
2026-09-09 15:26 ` Linus Torvalds
2026-09-08 20:55 ` [PATCH 12/23] kbuild: avoid re-running compiler and linker probes Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-08 20:55 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-10 4:19 ` Nathan Chancellor
2026-09-10 4:19 ` Nathan Chancellor
2026-09-10 15:42 ` Nicolas Schier
2026-09-10 15:42 ` Nicolas Schier
2026-09-11 10:30 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-11 10:30 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-11 18:10 ` Nicolas Schier
2026-09-11 18:10 ` Nicolas Schier
2026-09-11 18:25 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-11 18:25 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-11 17:33 ` David Laight
2026-09-11 17:33 ` David Laight
2026-09-11 18:17 ` Nicolas Schier
2026-09-11 18:17 ` Nicolas Schier
2026-09-11 18:24 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-11 18:24 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-11 19:34 ` Nicolas Schier
2026-09-11 19:34 ` Nicolas Schier
2026-09-11 21:01 ` David Laight
2026-09-11 21:01 ` David Laight
2026-09-12 7:11 ` Nathan Chancellor
2026-09-12 7:11 ` Nathan Chancellor
2026-09-13 20:02 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-13 20:02 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-11 10:26 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-11 10:26 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-12 6:51 ` Nathan Chancellor
2026-09-12 6:51 ` Nathan Chancellor
2026-09-12 10:03 ` David Laight
2026-09-12 10:03 ` David Laight
2026-09-08 20:55 ` [PATCH 13/23] modpost: hash module source per-file, not per-byte Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-08 20:55 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-10 12:52 ` Petr Pavlu
2026-09-10 12:52 ` Petr Pavlu
2026-09-11 10:41 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-11 10:41 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-11 11:57 ` Petr Pavlu
2026-09-11 11:57 ` Petr Pavlu
2026-09-11 12:21 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-11 12:21 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-08 20:55 ` [PATCH 14/23] modpost: cache section relocation mismatch state Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-08 20:55 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-08 20:55 ` [PATCH 15/23] modpost: emit module descriptors as assembly Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-08 20:55 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-09 14:59 ` Linus Torvalds
2026-09-09 14:59 ` Linus Torvalds
2026-09-08 20:55 ` [PATCH 16/23] kbuild: batch module finalisation Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-08 20:55 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-10 15:48 ` Nicolas Schier
2026-09-10 15:48 ` Nicolas Schier
2026-09-11 10:23 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-11 10:23 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-08 20:55 ` [PATCH 17/23] modpost: perform srcversion hashing in parallel Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-08 20:55 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-10 10:32 ` David Laight
2026-09-10 10:32 ` David Laight
2026-09-11 10:49 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-11 10:49 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-12 11:50 ` Yann Droneaud
2026-09-12 11:50 ` Yann Droneaud
2026-09-13 16:36 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-13 16:36 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-08 20:55 ` [PATCH 18/23] objtool: cache relocations and function dead end state, do less work Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-08 20:55 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-12 22:47 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2026-09-12 22:47 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2026-09-13 20:28 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-13 20:28 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-08 20:55 ` [PATCH 19/23] objtool: decode instructions and resolve branch targets in parallel Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-08 20:55 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-12 23:39 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2026-09-12 23:39 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2026-09-13 16:23 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-13 16:23 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-08 20:55 ` [PATCH 20/23] kbuild: rust: parallelise rustc front end Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-08 20:55 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-08 21:13 ` Miguel Ojeda
2026-09-08 21:13 ` Miguel Ojeda
2026-09-09 14:22 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-09 14:22 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-09 10:22 ` Björn Baron
2026-09-09 10:22 ` Björn Baron
2026-09-09 12:59 ` Miguel Ojeda
2026-09-09 12:59 ` Miguel Ojeda
2026-09-09 14:26 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-09 14:26 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-10 12:25 ` Nicolas Schier (FRITZ!)
2026-09-10 12:25 ` Nicolas Schier (FRITZ!)
2026-09-11 19:00 ` Nicolas Schier
2026-09-11 19:00 ` Nicolas Schier
2026-09-13 21:30 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-13 21:30 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-08 20:55 ` [PATCH 21/23] rust: make exports.o depend on the headers generated for it Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-08 20:55 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-08 20:55 ` [PATCH 22/23] kbuild: build rust crates in parallel with the rest of the build Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
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2026-09-08 20:55 ` [PATCH 23/23] kbuild: use pigz for gzip compression if available Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-08 20:55 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
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2026-09-13 19:31 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-13 19:31 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-08 21:06 ` [PATCH 00/23] kbuild: significantly speed up kernel builds Nick Desaulniers
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