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From: Frederic Weisbecker <frederic@kernel.org>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@kernel.org>,
	boqun@kernel.org, LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Cc: Hyunwoo Kim" <imv4bel@gmail.com>,
	Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
	Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>,
	John Stultz <jstultz@google.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	stable@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [patch V2 1/8] signal: Prevent exec() race
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2026 14:36:48 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aqP14AyyQhlXBZcC@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260911102203.GF1837346@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net>

Le Fri, Sep 11, 2026 at 12:22:03PM +0200, Peter Zijlstra a écrit :
> On Fri, Sep 11, 2026 at 11:58:04AM +0200, Frederic Weisbecker wrote:
> > Le Thu, Sep 10, 2026 at 03:28:43PM +0200, Peter Zijlstra a écrit :
> 
> > > The way data dependencies work in this case is a LOAD->LOAD ordering.
> > > The LOAD-ACQUIRE that is part of LOCK must happen after the initial
> > > load. And then the later load is constrained by the ACQUIRE.
> > > 
> > > So LOAD(B) must resolve in order to do LOAD_ACQUIRE(B->lock.value).
> > 
> > Ok I must confess that's not a pattern I'm used to and therefore it's
> > still a bit counter-intuitive to me. I hope we can document that somehow
> > somewhere.
> 
> One way of looking at it is the computation for the address of
> &B->lock.value.
> 
> A	void *r = LOAD(B);			 // B
> B	r += offsetof(typeof(*B), lock);	 // &B->lock
> 	spin_lock(r)
> C	  r += offsetof(typeof(B->lock), value); // &B->lock.value
> 	  for (;;)
> D	    v = LOAD_ACQUIRE(r);
> 	    if (!v && !cmpxchg_relaxed(r, 0, 1))
> 	      break;
> 	    cpu_relax();
> 
> Note how the LOAD_ACQUIRE() at D depends on the computation of C, and B,
> which in turn depend on the load of A.
> 
> If A does not complete, B,C cannot compute the address for the load of
> D. Therefore A must come before D.

Right, it's just that acquire is often described as ordering access after
a single memory target (matching release before that same single memory target).
But I'm discovering that this property also applies to a memory target that
depends on an actual target, so to speak :o)

Anyway yes, I get the idea now, thanks for the patient explanations!

  reply	other threads:[~2026-09-11 12:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-09-05 18:58 [patch V2 0/8] exec/exit: POSIX timer related bugfixes and related cleanups Thomas Gleixner
2026-09-05 18:59 ` [patch V2 1/8] signal: Prevent exec() race Thomas Gleixner
2026-09-06 13:17   ` Oleg Nesterov
2026-09-06 22:39   ` Eric W. Biederman
2026-09-06 23:28     ` Oleg Nesterov
2026-09-07 11:26     ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-09-07 12:31   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-09-07 15:26     ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-09-07 20:15       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-09-07 22:28         ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-09-08 10:15           ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-09-09  0:03             ` Oleg Nesterov
2026-09-09  9:17               ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-09-09  8:04             ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-09-09  9:08               ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-09-09  9:55                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-09-09 10:20                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-09-09 11:31                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-09-09 12:13                   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-09-09 12:45                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-09-09 12:51                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-09-09 13:45                         ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-09-09 15:48                           ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-09-09 16:00                           ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-09-09 14:33                       ` Alan Stern
2026-09-09 14:45                       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-09-09 19:28                         ` Alan Stern
2026-09-09 20:49                           ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-09-09 21:11                             ` Alan Stern
2026-09-10 13:21                               ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-09-10 13:28                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-09-11  9:58                                   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-09-11 10:22                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-09-11 12:36                                       ` Frederic Weisbecker [this message]
2026-09-11 14:52                                       ` Alan Stern
2026-09-10 15:26                                 ` Alan Stern
2026-09-11 12:27                                   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-09-11 19:05                                     ` Alan Stern
2026-09-16 13:25                                       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-09-09 10:18                 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-09-09  9:11               ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-09-05 18:59 ` [patch V2 2/8] exec: Cleanup POSIX timers right after de_thread() Thomas Gleixner
2026-09-06 13:21   ` Oleg Nesterov
2026-09-07 22:13   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-09-05 18:59 ` [patch V2 3/8] posix-timers: Move posixtimer_exec_cleanup() out of exec.c Thomas Gleixner
2026-09-10 13:50   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-09-05 18:59 ` [patch V2 4/8] posix-timers: Move POSIX timer group exit related code out of do_exit() Thomas Gleixner
2026-09-10 13:59   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-09-05 18:59 ` [patch V2 5/8] posix-cpu-timers: Move inlines out of public header Thomas Gleixner
2026-09-10 14:00   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-09-05 18:59 ` [patch V2 6/8] posix-cpu-timers: Use PF_EXITING to indicate exit Thomas Gleixner
2026-09-05 18:59 ` [patch V2 7/8] posix-cpu-timers: Prevent enqueueing when PF_EXITING is set Thomas Gleixner
2026-09-06 16:26   ` Oleg Nesterov
2026-09-07 12:20     ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-09-05 18:59 ` [patch V2 8/8] posix-timers: Handle exit in do_exit() completely Thomas Gleixner
2026-09-06 16:40   ` Oleg Nesterov
2026-09-07 12:27     ` Thomas Gleixner

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