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From: Frederic Weisbecker <frederic@kernel.org>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@kernel.org>,
	boqun@kernel.org, LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Cc: Hyunwoo Kim" <imv4bel@gmail.com>,
	Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
	Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>,
	John Stultz <jstultz@google.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	stable@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [patch V2 1/8] signal: Prevent exec() race
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2026 11:58:04 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aqPQrGWqKfX_5MMj@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260910132843.GS776954@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net>

Le Thu, Sep 10, 2026 at 03:28:43PM +0200, Peter Zijlstra a écrit :
> On Thu, Sep 10, 2026 at 03:21:54PM +0200, Frederic Weisbecker wrote:
> 
> > So I understand this one. Now unfortunately litmus doesn't support
> > structures, but let's suppose it could. I'm taking the previous script
> > and introduce a small change in P1:
> > 
> > 	C MP+polocks
> > 
> > 	{}
> > 
> > 	P0(int *A, int *B, spinlock_t *mylock)
> > 	{
> > 		spin_lock(mylock);
> > 		WRITE_ONCE(*A, 1);
> > 		spin_unlock(mylock);
> > 		spin_lock(mylock);
> > 		WRITE_ONCE(*B, 1);
> > 		spin_unlock(mylock);
> > 	}
> > 
> > 	P1(int *A, int *B)
> > 	{
> > 		int r0;
> > 		int r1
> > 
> > 		r0 = READ_ONCE(*B);
> > 		spin_lock(r0->somelock)
> > 		r1 = READ_ONCE(*A);
> > 		spin_unlock(r0->somelock)
> > 	}
> > 
> > 	exists (1:r0=1 /\ 1:r1=0) (* Bad outcome. *)
> > 
> > 
> > So instead of doing a LOAD-ACQUIRE on B, I do a plain READ but I also
> > do a spin_lock right after on a data that depends on that READ. I can't
> > run that on litmus but this is the same (simplified) pattern as what we
> > had in this discussion and therefore I assume that it also works (ie: the
> > bad outcome shouldn't happen), is that right?
> > 
> > Would it also work if spin_lock() was just a LOAD-ACQUIRE?
> 
> Yes, see below.
> 
> > Does it mean that data dependency implies sufficient ordering such that
> > a LOAD-ACQUIRE to a data that depends on B provides the same guarantees as
> > a LOAD-ACQUIRE to B?
> 
> The way data dependencies work in this case is a LOAD->LOAD ordering.
> The LOAD-ACQUIRE that is part of LOCK must happen after the initial
> load. And then the later load is constrained by the ACQUIRE.
> 
> So LOAD(B) must resolve in order to do LOAD_ACQUIRE(B->lock.value).

Ok I must confess that's not a pattern I'm used to and therefore it's
still a bit counter-intuitive to me. I hope we can document that somehow
somewhere.

Thanks a lot for the explanation!

-- 
Frederic Weisbecker
SUSE Labs

  reply	other threads:[~2026-09-11  9:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-09-05 18:58 [patch V2 0/8] exec/exit: POSIX timer related bugfixes and related cleanups Thomas Gleixner
2026-09-05 18:59 ` [patch V2 1/8] signal: Prevent exec() race Thomas Gleixner
2026-09-06 13:17   ` Oleg Nesterov
2026-09-06 22:39   ` Eric W. Biederman
2026-09-06 23:28     ` Oleg Nesterov
2026-09-07 11:26     ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-09-07 12:31   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-09-07 15:26     ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-09-07 20:15       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-09-07 22:28         ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-09-08 10:15           ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-09-09  0:03             ` Oleg Nesterov
2026-09-09  9:17               ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-09-09  8:04             ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-09-09  9:08               ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-09-09  9:55                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-09-09 10:20                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-09-09 11:31                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-09-09 12:13                   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-09-09 12:45                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-09-09 12:51                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-09-09 13:45                         ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-09-09 15:48                           ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-09-09 16:00                           ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-09-09 14:33                       ` Alan Stern
2026-09-09 14:45                       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-09-09 19:28                         ` Alan Stern
2026-09-09 20:49                           ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-09-09 21:11                             ` Alan Stern
2026-09-10 13:21                               ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-09-10 13:28                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-09-11  9:58                                   ` Frederic Weisbecker [this message]
2026-09-11 10:22                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-09-11 12:36                                       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-09-11 14:52                                       ` Alan Stern
2026-09-10 15:26                                 ` Alan Stern
2026-09-11 12:27                                   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-09-11 19:05                                     ` Alan Stern
2026-09-16 13:25                                       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-09-09 10:18                 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-09-09  9:11               ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-09-05 18:59 ` [patch V2 2/8] exec: Cleanup POSIX timers right after de_thread() Thomas Gleixner
2026-09-06 13:21   ` Oleg Nesterov
2026-09-07 22:13   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-09-05 18:59 ` [patch V2 3/8] posix-timers: Move posixtimer_exec_cleanup() out of exec.c Thomas Gleixner
2026-09-10 13:50   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-09-05 18:59 ` [patch V2 4/8] posix-timers: Move POSIX timer group exit related code out of do_exit() Thomas Gleixner
2026-09-10 13:59   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-09-05 18:59 ` [patch V2 5/8] posix-cpu-timers: Move inlines out of public header Thomas Gleixner
2026-09-10 14:00   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-09-05 18:59 ` [patch V2 6/8] posix-cpu-timers: Use PF_EXITING to indicate exit Thomas Gleixner
2026-09-05 18:59 ` [patch V2 7/8] posix-cpu-timers: Prevent enqueueing when PF_EXITING is set Thomas Gleixner
2026-09-06 16:26   ` Oleg Nesterov
2026-09-07 12:20     ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-09-05 18:59 ` [patch V2 8/8] posix-timers: Handle exit in do_exit() completely Thomas Gleixner
2026-09-06 16:40   ` Oleg Nesterov
2026-09-07 12:27     ` Thomas Gleixner

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