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From: torvalds@transmeta.com (Linus Torvalds)
To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: lan based kgdb
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 04:19:45 +0000 (UTC)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ar4h11$g7n$1@penguin.transmeta.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 20021115222430.GA1877@tahoe.alcove-fr

In article <20021115222430.GA1877@tahoe.alcove-fr>,
Stelian Pop  <stelian.pop@fr.alcove.com> wrote:
>	  
>	* the USB stack seems simpler than the net stack + 
>	  (eventualy) pcmcia + network card driver.

What drugs are you on? The USB stack is extremely complex and fragile,
and depends on a lot more working than just about any network driver out
there. We're still debugging basic USB functionality.

Yes, if you're comparing to a full TCP implementation, plain USB serial
lines may be simpler (ignoring for the moment the fact that there isn't
even a standard USB serial line protocol, and they may be going the same
way as the hardware serial lines - the way of the dodo). 

But it should be possible to do a really simple UDP-packets-only thing
for kgdb.  Sure, it may lose packets.  Tough.  Don't debug over a WAN,
and try to keep a clean direct network connection if you are worried
about it.  But we want kernel printk's to be synchronous anyway, without
timeouts etc.

And I suspect you're better off losing packets (very rarely over any
normal local network) if that means that your debugger needs only
minimal support. You can always re-type.

		Linus


  parent reply	other threads:[~2002-11-16  4:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-11-15 20:29 lan based kgdb Kallol Biswas
2002-11-15 20:38 ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-11-15 22:06 ` Martin J. Bligh
2002-11-15 21:26   ` Linus Torvalds
2002-11-15 21:46     ` Andrew Morton
2002-11-15 22:05     ` Kallol Biswas
2002-11-15 22:24     ` Stelian Pop
2002-11-15 22:47       ` Dmitri
2002-11-15 22:53         ` Stelian Pop
2002-11-17  5:45         ` M. R. Brown
2002-11-15 22:51       ` Andrew Morton
2002-11-15 22:59         ` Stelian Pop
2002-11-16 16:23           ` yodaiken
2002-11-16 17:21             ` Stelian Pop
2002-11-16 21:32               ` Nicholas Miell
2002-11-16  2:35         ` Alan Cox
2002-11-16 18:18           ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-11-16  4:19       ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2002-11-16  7:24         ` David Mosberger-Tang
2002-11-16 17:58           ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2002-11-16 23:56           ` Alan Cox
2002-11-16 18:24         ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-11-16 18:33           ` Linus Torvalds
2002-11-16 19:04             ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-11-17  9:56             ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2002-11-17 14:50               ` Alan Cox
2002-11-18  7:27                 ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2002-11-19  8:49                 ` Amit S. Kale
2002-11-16 20:42         ` Werner Almesberger
2002-11-16 23:54         ` Alan Cox
2002-11-17  3:19           ` Linus Torvalds
2002-11-17  3:30             ` Larry McVoy
2002-11-17 19:42               ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-17 20:10                 ` Jamie Lokier
2002-11-17 20:31                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-17 20:25                 ` Brad Hards
2002-11-17 21:30                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-17 21:32                     ` David Lang
2002-11-17 21:48                       ` Brad Hards
2002-11-17 22:00                         ` David Lang
2002-11-17 23:48                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-11-17 21:42                     ` Brad Hards
2002-11-18  1:10                 ` Werner Almesberger
2002-11-18  7:20       ` Miles Bader
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-11-15 21:44 Edwin Bland
     [not found] <1037490849.24843.11.camel@irongate.swansea.linux.org.uk.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
     [not found] ` <20021116193008.C25741@work.bitmover.com.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
     [not found]   ` <m11y5k3ruw.fsf@frodo.biederman.org.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
     [not found]     ` <200211180725.27450.bhards@bigpond.net.au.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
     [not found]       ` <m1smxz3mw7.fsf@frodo.biederman.org.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
2002-11-17 23:52         ` Andi Kleen

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