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From: Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@kernel.org>
To: "Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)" <ljs@kernel.org>
Cc: "Linus Torvalds" <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	"Nathan Chancellor" <nathan@kernel.org>,
	"Nicolas Schier" <nsc@kernel.org>,
	"Nick Desaulniers" <ndesaulniers@google.com>,
	"Bill Wendling" <morbo@google.com>,
	"Justin Stitt" <justinstitt@google.com>,
	"Masahiro Yamada" <masahiroy@kernel.org>,
	"Alexey Gladkov" <legion@kernel.org>,
	"Thomas Gleixner" <tglx@kernel.org>,
	"Ingo Molnar" <mingo@redhat.com>,
	"Borislav Petkov" <bp@alien8.de>,
	"Dave Hansen" <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	x86@kernel.org, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	"Paul Walmsley" <pjw@kernel.org>,
	"Palmer Dabbelt" <palmer@dabbelt.com>,
	"Albert Ou" <aou@eecs.berkeley.edu>,
	"Alexandre Ghiti" <alex@ghiti.fr>,
	"Arnd Bergmann" <arnd@arndb.de>,
	"Catalin Marinas" <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	"Will Deacon" <will@kernel.org>,
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	"Miguel Ojeda" <ojeda@kernel.org>,
	"Boqun Feng" <boqun@kernel.org>, "Gary Guo" <gary@garyguo.net>,
	"Björn Roy Baron" <bjorn3_gh@protonmail.com>,
	"Benno Lossin" <lossin@kernel.org>,
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	"Trevor Gross" <tmgross@umich.edu>,
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	"Daniel Almeida" <daniel.almeida@collabora.com>,
	"Tamir Duberstein" <tamird@kernel.org>,
	"Alexandre Courbot" <acourbot@nvidia.com>,
	"Onur Özkan" <work@onurozkan.dev>,
	"Jonathan Corbet" <corbet@lwn.net>,
	"Randy Dunlap" <rdunlap@infradead.org>,
	"Kees Cook" <kees@kernel.org>,
	"Gustavo A. R. Silva" <gustavoars@kernel.org>,
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	llvm@lists.linux.dev, linux-riscv@lists.infradead.org,
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	linux-efi@vger.kernel.org, rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, "Jens Axboe" <axboe@kernel.dk>,
	linux-hardening@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 15/20] objtool: cache relocations, do less work, eliminate relocation hash
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2026 21:16:21 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <arG07kfxJCmnVPY4@jpoimboe> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260917-build-speedup-v3-15-9ecf4163ff36@kernel.org>

On Thu, Sep 17, 2026 at 05:06:25PM +0100, Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM) wrote:
> This relies upon the entries within a section being sorted, which is the
> case for all sections supplied to objtool by the link step during the
> kernel build.

This is wrong (or at least actively misleading).  Objtool doesn't *only*
run on linked objects.  In some configs it runs on individual .o files.
And GCC doesn't sort relocs:

  Relocation section '.rela.text' at offset 0xc0d0 contains 724 entries:
      Offset             Info             Type               Symbol's Value  Symbol's Name + Addend
      ...
  0000000000005c50  0000009000000004 R_X86_64_PLT32         0000000000000000 _raw_spin_lock - 4
  0000000000005c65  0000009100000004 R_X86_64_PLT32         0000000000000000 _raw_spin_unlock - 4
  0000000000005c6d  0000019f00000004 R_X86_64_PLT32         0000000000000000 put_files_struct - 4
  000000000000004d  0000008f00000004 R_X86_64_PLT32         0000000000000000 __x86_return_thunk - 4
  0000000000000075  0000008f00000004 R_X86_64_PLT32         0000000000000000 __x86_return_thunk - 4
  00000000000000cd  0000008f00000004 R_X86_64_PLT32         0000000000000000 __x86_return_thunk - 4

(JMP target relocations are emitted in a second pass, for whatever
reason)

So the hash may actually be needed as a fallback after all.  Or some
other scheme.

Either way it's overkill to have more than a single fallback.  No second
fallback for "just in case".  Attempting to search an unhashed section
(DWARF) can just be a fatal error instead of the "just in case"
WARN+linear fallback thing.

> @@ -1168,19 +1286,26 @@ static int read_relocs(struct elf *elf)
>  				return -1;
>  			}
>  
> -			elf_hash_add(reloc, &reloc->hash, reloc_hash(reloc));
>  			set_sym_next_reloc(reloc, sym->relocs);
>  			sym->relocs = reloc;
>  
>  			nr_reloc++;
>  		}
>  		max_reloc = max(max_reloc, nr_reloc);
> +
> +		/* DWARF relocs are never looked up, so are not worth indexing. */
> +		if (is_dwarf_section(rsec->base))
> +			continue;

This DWARF reloc skipping is a standalone improvement, can you split
this out to another patch?

-- 
Josh

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From: Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@kernel.org>
To: "Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)" <ljs@kernel.org>
Cc: "Linus Torvalds" <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	"Nathan Chancellor" <nathan@kernel.org>,
	"Nicolas Schier" <nsc@kernel.org>,
	"Nick Desaulniers" <ndesaulniers@google.com>,
	"Bill Wendling" <morbo@google.com>,
	"Justin Stitt" <justinstitt@google.com>,
	"Masahiro Yamada" <masahiroy@kernel.org>,
	"Alexey Gladkov" <legion@kernel.org>,
	"Thomas Gleixner" <tglx@kernel.org>,
	"Ingo Molnar" <mingo@redhat.com>,
	"Borislav Petkov" <bp@alien8.de>,
	"Dave Hansen" <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	x86@kernel.org, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	"Paul Walmsley" <pjw@kernel.org>,
	"Palmer Dabbelt" <palmer@dabbelt.com>,
	"Albert Ou" <aou@eecs.berkeley.edu>,
	"Alexandre Ghiti" <alex@ghiti.fr>,
	"Arnd Bergmann" <arnd@arndb.de>,
	"Catalin Marinas" <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	"Will Deacon" <will@kernel.org>,
	"Mark Rutland" <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
	"Ard Biesheuvel" <ardb@kernel.org>,
	"Ilias Apalodimas" <ilias.apalodimas@linaro.org>,
	"Peter Zijlstra" <peterz@infradead.org>,
	"Miguel Ojeda" <ojeda@kernel.org>,
	"Boqun Feng" <boqun@kernel.org>, "Gary Guo" <gary@garyguo.net>,
	"Björn Roy Baron" <bjorn3_gh@protonmail.com>,
	"Benno Lossin" <lossin@kernel.org>,
	"Andreas Hindborg" <a.hindborg@kernel.org>,
	"Alice Ryhl" <aliceryhl@google.com>,
	"Trevor Gross" <tmgross@umich.edu>,
	"Danilo Krummrich" <dakr@kernel.org>,
	"Daniel Almeida" <daniel.almeida@collabora.com>,
	"Tamir Duberstein" <tamird@kernel.org>,
	"Alexandre Courbot" <acourbot@nvidia.com>,
	"Onur Özkan" <work@onurozkan.dev>,
	"Jonathan Corbet" <corbet@lwn.net>,
	"Randy Dunlap" <rdunlap@infradead.org>,
	"Kees Cook" <kees@kernel.org>,
	"Gustavo A. R. Silva" <gustavoars@kernel.org>,
	linux-kbuild@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	llvm@lists.linux.dev, linux-riscv@lists.infradead.org,
	linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	linux-efi@vger.kernel.org, rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, "Jens Axboe" <axboe@kernel.dk>,
	linux-hardening@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 15/20] objtool: cache relocations, do less work, eliminate relocation hash
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2026 21:16:21 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <arG07kfxJCmnVPY4@jpoimboe> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260917-build-speedup-v3-15-9ecf4163ff36@kernel.org>

On Thu, Sep 17, 2026 at 05:06:25PM +0100, Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM) wrote:
> This relies upon the entries within a section being sorted, which is the
> case for all sections supplied to objtool by the link step during the
> kernel build.

This is wrong (or at least actively misleading).  Objtool doesn't *only*
run on linked objects.  In some configs it runs on individual .o files.
And GCC doesn't sort relocs:

  Relocation section '.rela.text' at offset 0xc0d0 contains 724 entries:
      Offset             Info             Type               Symbol's Value  Symbol's Name + Addend
      ...
  0000000000005c50  0000009000000004 R_X86_64_PLT32         0000000000000000 _raw_spin_lock - 4
  0000000000005c65  0000009100000004 R_X86_64_PLT32         0000000000000000 _raw_spin_unlock - 4
  0000000000005c6d  0000019f00000004 R_X86_64_PLT32         0000000000000000 put_files_struct - 4
  000000000000004d  0000008f00000004 R_X86_64_PLT32         0000000000000000 __x86_return_thunk - 4
  0000000000000075  0000008f00000004 R_X86_64_PLT32         0000000000000000 __x86_return_thunk - 4
  00000000000000cd  0000008f00000004 R_X86_64_PLT32         0000000000000000 __x86_return_thunk - 4

(JMP target relocations are emitted in a second pass, for whatever
reason)

So the hash may actually be needed as a fallback after all.  Or some
other scheme.

Either way it's overkill to have more than a single fallback.  No second
fallback for "just in case".  Attempting to search an unhashed section
(DWARF) can just be a fatal error instead of the "just in case"
WARN+linear fallback thing.

> @@ -1168,19 +1286,26 @@ static int read_relocs(struct elf *elf)
>  				return -1;
>  			}
>  
> -			elf_hash_add(reloc, &reloc->hash, reloc_hash(reloc));
>  			set_sym_next_reloc(reloc, sym->relocs);
>  			sym->relocs = reloc;
>  
>  			nr_reloc++;
>  		}
>  		max_reloc = max(max_reloc, nr_reloc);
> +
> +		/* DWARF relocs are never looked up, so are not worth indexing. */
> +		if (is_dwarf_section(rsec->base))
> +			continue;

This DWARF reloc skipping is a standalone improvement, can you split
this out to another patch?

-- 
Josh

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Thread overview: 152+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-09-17 16:06 [PATCH v3 00/20] kbuild: significantly speed up kernel builds Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-17 16:06 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-17 16:06 ` [PATCH v3 01/20] kbuild: do not allocate .modinfo in vmlinux Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-17 16:06   ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-17 16:52   ` Kees Cook
2026-09-17 16:52     ` Kees Cook
2026-09-17 17:41     ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-17 17:41       ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-18  0:51     ` Nathan Chancellor
2026-09-18  0:51       ` Nathan Chancellor
2026-09-18 17:09       ` Nicolas Schier
2026-09-18 17:09         ` Nicolas Schier
2026-09-18 21:44         ` Nathan Chancellor
2026-09-18 21:44           ` Nathan Chancellor
2026-09-19 14:39           ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-19 14:39             ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-17 17:05   ` Kees Cook
2026-09-17 17:05     ` Kees Cook
2026-09-17 17:39     ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-17 17:39       ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-17 16:06 ` [PATCH v3 02/20] kallsyms: index symbols by token to speed up table compression Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-17 16:06   ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-17 17:27   ` Kees Cook
2026-09-17 17:27     ` Kees Cook
2026-09-17 17:45     ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-17 17:45       ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-17 16:06 ` [PATCH v3 03/20] kallsyms: output binary data to speed output and kallsyms assembly Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-17 16:06   ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-17 17:36   ` Kees Cook
2026-09-17 17:36     ` Kees Cook
2026-09-17 16:06 ` [PATCH v3 04/20] kbuild: do not sort nm output where the order is irrelevant Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-17 16:06   ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-17 17:38   ` Kees Cook
2026-09-17 17:38     ` Kees Cook
2026-09-18 19:14   ` Nicolas Schier
2026-09-18 19:14     ` Nicolas Schier
2026-09-17 16:06 ` [PATCH v3 05/20] kbuild: only emit vmlinux relocations when required Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-17 16:06   ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-17 17:41   ` Kees Cook
2026-09-17 17:41     ` Kees Cook
2026-09-17 17:48     ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-17 17:48       ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-18 19:27   ` Nicolas Schier
2026-09-18 19:27     ` Nicolas Schier
2026-09-17 16:06 ` [PATCH v3 06/20] elf-parse: add section flags, symbol binding and a read-only mapping Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-17 16:06   ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-17 17:44   ` Kees Cook
2026-09-17 17:44     ` Kees Cook
2026-09-17 16:06 ` [PATCH v3 07/20] kallsyms: reimplement mksysmap in C Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-17 16:06   ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-17 18:07   ` Kees Cook
2026-09-17 18:07     ` Kees Cook
2026-09-19 16:24     ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-19 16:24       ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-19 16:25       ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-19 16:25         ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-17 16:06 ` [PATCH v3 08/20] kbuild: cache list, composite object state per object Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-17 16:06   ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-17 18:11   ` Kees Cook
2026-09-17 18:11     ` Kees Cook
2026-09-18 19:51     ` Nicolas Schier
2026-09-18 19:51       ` Nicolas Schier
2026-09-19 14:48       ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-19 14:48         ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-17 16:06 ` [PATCH v3 09/20] kbuild: implement and use depcheck to check dependency timestamps Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-17 16:06   ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-17 18:42   ` Kees Cook
2026-09-17 18:42     ` Kees Cook
2026-09-17 20:59     ` Kees Cook
2026-09-17 20:59       ` Kees Cook
2026-09-19 17:02       ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-19 17:02         ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-20  3:46         ` Kees Cook
2026-09-20  3:46           ` Kees Cook
2026-09-19 16:57     ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-19 16:57       ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-19 17:06       ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-19 17:06         ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-20  3:48       ` Kees Cook
2026-09-20  3:48         ` Kees Cook
2026-09-17 16:06 ` [PATCH v3 10/20] kbuild: move the toolchain checks into init/Kconfig.toolchain Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-17 16:06   ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-17 18:53   ` Kees Cook
2026-09-17 18:53     ` Kees Cook
2026-09-18  1:07     ` Nathan Chancellor
2026-09-18  1:07       ` Nathan Chancellor
2026-09-18 14:35       ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-18 14:35         ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-18 19:54         ` Nicolas Schier
2026-09-18 19:54           ` Nicolas Schier
2026-09-18 21:12           ` Nathan Chancellor
2026-09-18 21:12             ` Nathan Chancellor
2026-09-19 14:45             ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-19 14:45               ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-17 16:06 ` [PATCH v3 11/20] kbuild: avoid re-running compiler and linker probes Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-17 16:06   ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-17 19:26   ` Kees Cook
2026-09-17 19:26     ` Kees Cook
2026-09-18  1:21     ` Nathan Chancellor
2026-09-18  1:21       ` Nathan Chancellor
2026-09-18  4:44       ` Kees Cook
2026-09-18  4:44         ` Kees Cook
2026-09-18  5:40         ` Nathan Chancellor
2026-09-18  5:40           ` Nathan Chancellor
2026-09-19 17:31           ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-19 17:31             ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-17 16:06 ` [PATCH v3 12/20] modpost: cache section relocation mismatch state Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-17 16:06   ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-17 16:06 ` [PATCH v3 13/20] modpost: emit module descriptors as assembly Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-17 16:06   ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-17 16:06 ` [PATCH v3 14/20] kbuild: batch module finalisation Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-17 16:06   ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-17 17:01   ` Kees Cook
2026-09-17 17:01     ` Kees Cook
2026-09-21 12:22   ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-21 12:22     ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-17 16:06 ` [PATCH v3 15/20] objtool: cache relocations, do less work, eliminate relocation hash Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-17 16:06   ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-22  4:16   ` Josh Poimboeuf [this message]
2026-09-22  4:16     ` Josh Poimboeuf
2026-09-22  9:05     ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-22  9:05       ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-17 16:06 ` [PATCH v3 16/20] objtool: size the instruction hash to the text Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-17 16:06   ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-17 16:06 ` [PATCH v3 17/20] objtool: decode instructions and resolve branch targets in parallel Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-17 16:06   ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-22  4:27   ` Josh Poimboeuf
2026-09-22  4:27     ` Josh Poimboeuf
2026-09-22  9:43     ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-22  9:43       ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-17 16:06 ` [PATCH v3 18/20] rust: make exports.o depend on the headers generated for it Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-17 16:06   ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-17 16:06 ` [PATCH v3 19/20] kbuild: build rust crates in parallel with the rest of the build Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-17 16:06   ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-17 16:06 ` [PATCH v3 20/20] kbuild: compress the kernel with pigz if available Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-17 16:06   ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-17 16:58   ` Kees Cook
2026-09-17 16:58     ` Kees Cook
2026-09-19 17:43     ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-19 17:43       ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-18 14:27   ` Manuel Ebner
2026-09-18 14:27     ` Manuel Ebner
2026-09-19 17:42     ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-19 17:42       ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-17 17:15 ` [PATCH v3 00/20] kbuild: significantly speed up kernel builds Linus Torvalds
2026-09-17 17:15   ` Linus Torvalds
2026-09-17 17:36   ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-17 17:36     ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-17 19:42     ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-17 19:42       ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-17 20:02       ` Nick Desaulniers
2026-09-17 20:02         ` Nick Desaulniers

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