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From: torvalds@transmeta.com (Linus Torvalds)
To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: is KERNEL developement finished, yet ???
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 18:07:22 +0000 (UTC)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aso4kq$2ka$1@penguin.transmeta.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 000901c29c5d$6d194760$2e833841@joe

In article <000901c29c5d$6d194760$2e833841@joe>,
Joseph D. Wagner <wagnerjd@prodigy.net> wrote:
>
>Unix (and Linux) developers are far too concerned with clinging to the
>30-year-old outdated POSIX standard, which creates numerous problems when
>trying to advance new features.

No.

Only stupid people think they should throw away old proven concepts. 
What happens quite often in academia in particular is that you find a
problem you want to fix, and you re-design the whole system around your
fix. 

This is how we get crap like microkernels.  They have "an agenda", and
that's the _worst_ thing you can have when designing software.  You
fixate on some perceived problem, and the end result is that yes, maybe
you fixed _that_ problem, but in the meantime you also generated a whole
new of issues - usually things that were solved by the original
approach. 

The UNIX/Linux approach is a very pragmatic thing - leave the things
that work well alone.  There's no point in re-inventing the whole system
just because of some small perceived flaws. 

>This is not a design flaw per say, but let's face it: Unix would be a lot
>more secure (and more flexible in it's security) with ACL's.
>
>Microsoft Windows has had ACL's since 1991 (Windows NT 3.5?); that was 11
>years ago.

Yeah, and look how much more secure it is than UNIX.

		Linus

  parent reply	other threads:[~2002-12-05 18:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-12-05  2:00 is KERNEL developement finished, yet ??? Ed Vance
2002-12-05 12:24 ` Shane Helms
2002-12-05 12:54   ` Joseph D. Wagner
2002-12-05 13:15     ` Andreas Schwab
2002-12-05 18:07     ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2002-12-05 19:52       ` Shane Helms
2002-12-05 20:03         ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-05 20:09       ` is KERNEL developement finished, yet ??? (ACLs) Tupshin Harper
2002-12-06 10:38         ` Jakob Oestergaard
2002-12-15  5:29         ` Tracy R Reed
2002-12-07 20:34       ` is KERNEL developement finished, yet ??? Kai Henningsen
2002-12-05 18:09     ` Alan Cox
2002-12-05 17:47       ` yodaiken
2002-12-05 19:08       ` John Bradford
2002-12-06  6:15       ` Joseph D. Wagner
2002-12-06  6:30         ` John Alvord
2002-12-06  9:48         ` Alvaro Lopes
2002-12-07 20:43           ` Kai Henningsen
2002-12-07 20:39       ` Kai Henningsen
2002-12-09 14:08         ` Jesse Pollard
2002-12-10  0:26           ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-12-05 14:33   ` Mikael Pettersson
     [not found] <sdef301b.011@mail-01.med.umich.edu>
2002-12-05 16:36 ` Joseph D. Wagner
2002-12-06  3:29   ` Keith Adamson
     [not found] <sdef2367.029@mail-02.med.umich.edu>
2002-12-05 15:17 ` Joseph D. Wagner
2002-12-05 15:38   ` Dave Jones
2002-12-05 15:44   ` Eric Weigle
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-12-05 14:58 Nicholas Berry
2002-12-03 13:03 cs driver SANTHOSH K
2002-12-04 15:26 ` is KERNEL developement finished, yet ??? Shane Helms
2002-12-04 17:01   ` Joseph D. Wagner
2002-12-04 18:38     ` Alan Cox
2002-12-04 18:07       ` Richard B. Tilley  (Brad)
2002-12-04 18:21         ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-12-04 18:39           ` Erik Andersen
2002-12-05 16:59           ` Bill Davidsen
2002-12-05  0:27   ` jeff millar
2002-12-05 23:55     ` Frank van Maarseveen
2002-12-06  0:24       ` Shane Helms
2002-12-06  3:00       ` jeff millar
2002-12-06  3:36         ` Miles Bader
2002-12-06  8:55         ` Helge Hafting

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