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From: John Hubbard <jhubbard@nvidia.com>
To: Eliot Courtney <ecourtney@nvidia.com>,
	Alexandre Courbot <acourbot@nvidia.com>,
	sashiko-bot@kernel.org
Cc: sashiko-reviews@lists.linux.dev,
	Danilo Krummrich <dakr@kernel.org>,
	Alice Ryhl <aliceryhl@google.com>,
	David Airlie <airlied@gmail.com>, Simona Vetter <simona@ffwll.ch>,
	Benno Lossin <lossin@kernel.org>, Gary Guo <gary@garyguo.net>,
	Alistair Popple <apopple@nvidia.com>,
	Timur Tabi <ttabi@nvidia.com>, Zhi Wang <zhiw@nvidia.com>,
	nova-gpu@lists.linux.dev, dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org,
	ojeda@kernel.org,
	dri-devel <dri-devel-bounces@lists.freedesktop.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 11/14] gpu: nova-core: gsp: cmdq: use consume_element to implement drain
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2026 21:05:04 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <c19b1cea-0a35-4889-a36f-891f0d9fcb13@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <DMA702E74W05.2L7ZRW1M6H3NM@nvidia.com>

On 10/20/26 8:23 PM, Eliot Courtney wrote:
> On Wed Oct 21, 2026 at 12:12 PM JST, John Hubbard wrote:
>> On 10/20/26 7:57 PM, Eliot Courtney wrote:
>>> On Tue Oct 20, 2026 at 11:27 PM JST, Alexandre Courbot wrote:
>>>> On Tue Oct 20, 2026 at 7:18 PM JST, sashiko-bot wrote:
>>> [...]
>>> I'm also fine with special casing `wait_for_msg`, but personally
>>> (maybe) sleeping when you set timeout to Delta::ZERO sounds busted to
>>> me.
>>
>> It's not necessarily wrong, depending on how you think about it:
>> "sleep, but timeout at zero" is something I've seen used (I forget
>> where) as to mean "context switch away", kind of like a cpu_relax().
> 
> Here, it only sometimes sleeps ("(maybe)"), depending on the resolution
> of the timer and how long stuff takes. So it's really pretty
> inconsistent IMO.

Yes it is going to act in ways that look non-deterministic. And that's
OK, because:

a) It's not broken.

b) It's not unreasonable nor even terribly surprising behavior: one
can reason about it.

c) The requested behavior itself is impossible: "do X for an infinitely
short amount of time".

Why are we adding code to optimize behavior for callers that should
not even exist?

thanks,
-- 
John Hubbard


  reply	other threads:[~2026-10-21  4:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-10-20 10:08 [PATCH v5 00/14] gpu: nova-core: gsp: prepare the command queue for r000 dual-message types Alexandre Courbot
2026-10-20 10:08 ` [PATCH v5 01/14] gpu: nova-core: gsp: cmdq: remove stale comment Alexandre Courbot
2026-10-20 11:43   ` Eliot Courtney
2026-10-20 10:08 ` [PATCH v5 02/14] gpu: nova-core: gsp: cmdq: simplify framing error description Alexandre Courbot
2026-10-20 11:43   ` Eliot Courtney
2026-10-20 10:08 ` [PATCH v5 03/14] gpu: nova-core: gsp: cmdq: validate checksum earlier on receive Alexandre Courbot
2026-10-20 10:08 ` [PATCH v5 04/14] gpu: nova-core: gsp: introduce and use proper RpcMessageHeader type Alexandre Courbot
2026-10-20 10:08 ` [PATCH v5 05/14] gpu: nova-core: gsp: cmdq: group the RPC-specific part of send_single_command Alexandre Courbot
2026-10-20 10:08 ` [PATCH v5 06/14] gpu: nova-core: gsp: cmdq: split the transport part of the send path Alexandre Courbot
2026-10-20 10:08 ` [PATCH v5 07/14] gpu: nova-core: gsp: cmdq: split RPC parsing part of the receive path Alexandre Courbot
2026-10-20 10:08 ` [PATCH v5 08/14] gpu: nova-core: gsp: cmdq: move RPC message logging to RpcMessage Alexandre Courbot
2026-10-20 10:08 ` [PATCH v5 09/14] gpu: nova-core: gsp: cmdq: split the transport part of the receive path Alexandre Courbot
2026-10-21  1:56   ` Eliot Courtney
2026-10-20 10:08 ` [PATCH v5 10/14] gpu: nova-core: gsp: cmdq: extract await_msg_with from await_msg Alexandre Courbot
2026-10-21  2:00   ` Eliot Courtney
2026-10-20 10:08 ` [PATCH v5 11/14] gpu: nova-core: gsp: cmdq: use consume_element to implement drain Alexandre Courbot
2026-10-20 10:18   ` sashiko-bot
2026-10-20 14:27     ` Alexandre Courbot
2026-10-21  2:57       ` Eliot Courtney
2026-10-21  3:12         ` John Hubbard
2026-10-21  3:23           ` Eliot Courtney
2026-10-21  4:05             ` John Hubbard [this message]
2026-10-21 12:20             ` Alexandre Courbot
2026-10-21  2:58   ` Eliot Courtney
2026-10-20 10:08 ` [PATCH v5 12/14] gpu: nova-core: gsp: cmdq: move the RPC code into a sub-module Alexandre Courbot
2026-10-20 10:15   ` sashiko-bot
2026-10-20 10:08 ` [PATCH v5 13/14] gpu: nova-core: gsp: move the RPC commands " Alexandre Courbot
2026-10-20 10:08 ` [PATCH v5 14/14] gpu: nova-core: gsp: add `rpc` to RPC message send/receive methods Alexandre Courbot

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