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From: Bill Davidsen <davidsen@tmr.com>
To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Scheduler fairness problem on 2.6 series
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 14:18:44 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <cfgbnu$fmf$1@gatekeeper.tmr.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <411AAEDA.9070601@kolivas.org>

Con Kolivas wrote:
> Prakash K. Cheemplavam wrote:
> 
>> |
>> | I don't think it is the overhead. I rather think the way the kernel
>> | schedulers gives mpich and the cpu bound program  resources is unfair.
>>
>> Well, I don't know whether it helps, but I ran a profiler and these are
>> the functions which cause so much wasted CPU cycles when running 16
>> processes of my example with mpich:
>>
>> 124910    9.8170  vmlinux                  tcp_poll
>> 123356    9.6949  vmlinux                  sys_select
>> 85634     6.7302  vmlinux                  do_select
>> 71858     5.6475  vmlinux                  sysenter_past_esp
>> 62093     4.8801  vmlinux                  kfree
>> 51658     4.0600  vmlinux                  __copy_to_user_ll
>> 37495     2.9468  vmlinux                  max_select_fd
>> 36949     2.9039  vmlinux                  __kmalloc
>> 22700     1.7841  vmlinux                  __copy_from_user_ll
>> 14587     1.1464  vmlinux                  do_gettimeofday
>>
>> Is anything scheduler related?
> 
> 
> No
> 
> It looks like your select timeouts are too short and when the cpu load 
> goes up they repeatedly timeout wasting cpu cycles.
> I quote from `man select_tut` under the section SELECT LAW:
> 
> 1. You should always try use select without a timeout. Your program
>  should have nothing to do if there is no  data  available.  Code
>  that  depends  on timeouts is not usually portable and difficult
>  to debug.

There's a generalization which should confuse novice users... correctly 
used a timeout IS a debugging technique. Useful to detect when a peer 
has gone walkabout, as a common example.

Sounds as if the timeout is way too low here, however. Perhaps they are 
using it as poorly-done polling? In any case, not kernel misbehaviour.

-- 
    -bill davidsen (davidsen@tmr.com)
"The secret to procrastination is to put things off until the
  last possible moment - but no longer"  -me

  parent reply	other threads:[~2004-08-12 18:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20040811010116.GL11200@holomorphy.com>
2004-08-11  2:21 ` Scheduler fairness problem on 2.6 series (Attn: Nick Piggin and others) spaminos-ker
2004-08-11  2:23   ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-08-11  2:45     ` Peter Williams
2004-08-11  2:47       ` Peter Williams
2004-08-11  3:23         ` Peter Williams
2004-08-11  3:31           ` Con Kolivas
2004-08-11  3:46             ` Peter Williams
2004-08-11  3:44           ` Peter Williams
2004-08-13  0:13             ` spaminos-ker
2004-08-13  1:44               ` Peter Williams
2004-08-11  3:09   ` Con Kolivas
2004-08-11 10:24     ` Prakash K. Cheemplavam
2004-08-11 11:26       ` Scheduler fairness problem on 2.6 series Con Kolivas
2004-08-11 12:05         ` Prakash K. Cheemplavam
2004-08-11 19:22           ` Prakash K. Cheemplavam
2004-08-11 23:42             ` Con Kolivas
2004-08-12  8:08               ` Prakash K. Cheemplavam
2004-08-12 18:18               ` Bill Davidsen [this message]
2004-08-12  2:04     ` Scheduler fairness problem on 2.6 series (Attn: Nick Piggin and others) spaminos-ker
2004-08-12  2:24     ` spaminos-ker
2004-08-12  2:53       ` Con Kolivas

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