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From: hpa@zytor.com (H. Peter Anvin)
To: linux-raid@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Good news / bad news - The joys of RAID
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 00:17:12 +0000 (UTC)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <cp85i8$doo$1@terminus.zytor.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 200412021147.12410.systemloc@earthlink.net

Followup to:  <200412021147.12410.systemloc@earthlink.net>
By author:    TJ <systemloc@earthlink.net>
In newsgroup: linux.dev.raid
> 
> I do not think the deathstar incident was due to a firmware problem as you 
> describe at all. I had a lot of these drives fail, and I read as much as I 
> could find on the subject. The problem was most likely caused by the fact 
> that these drives used IBM's new glass substrate technology. This substrate 
> had heat expansion issues which caused the heads to misalign on tracks and 
> eventually cross write over tracks, corrupting data. The classic "click of 
> death" was the sound of the drive searching for a track repetitively. In some 
> cases a format would allow the drive to be used again, in many cases it would 
> not. It is my belief that formatting was inneffective at fixing the drive 
> because the cross writing probably hit some of the low level data, which the 
> drive cannot repair on a format.
> 

It's also worth noting that there was extremely high correlation
between which factory built the drives and the failure rates.
Apparently some factories had virtually zero instances of this
problem.

	-hpa

  parent reply	other threads:[~2004-12-09  0:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-11-19 21:06 Good news / bad news - The joys of RAID Robin Bowes
2004-11-19 21:28 ` Guy
2004-11-20 18:42   ` Mark Hahn
2004-11-20 19:37     ` Guy
2004-11-20 20:03       ` Mark Klarzynski
2004-11-20 22:17         ` Mark Hahn
2004-11-20 23:09           ` Guy
2004-12-02 16:47           ` TJ
2004-12-02 17:29             ` Stephen C Woods
2004-12-03  3:37             ` Mark Hahn
2004-12-03  4:16               ` Guy
2004-12-03  4:46                 ` Alvin Oga
2004-12-03  5:24                 ` Richard Scobie
2004-12-03  5:40                   ` Konstantin Olchanski
2004-12-09  0:17             ` H. Peter Anvin [this message]
2004-11-20 23:30       ` Mark Hahn
2004-11-20 19:40     ` David Greaves
2004-11-21  4:33       ` Guy
2004-11-21  1:01     ` berk walker
2004-11-23 19:10     ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-11-23 20:03       ` Guy
2004-11-23 21:18         ` Mark Hahn
2004-11-23 23:02           ` Robin Bowes
2004-11-24  0:33             ` Guy
2004-11-24  1:45           ` berk walker
2004-11-24  2:00             ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-11-24  8:01               ` Good news / bad news - The joys of hardware Guy
2004-11-24  8:57                 ` Robin Bowes
2004-11-19 21:42 ` Good news / bad news - The joys of RAID Guy
2004-11-28 13:15   ` Robin Bowes
2004-11-30  2:05     ` Neil Brown
2004-12-01  3:34       ` Doug Ledford
2004-12-01 11:50         ` Robin Bowes
2004-11-19 21:58 ` Gordon Henderson
     [not found] <037401c4cf3b$ee75bc90$030a0a0a@musicroom>
2004-11-21  4:33 ` Guy
2004-11-22 14:13   ` Yu Chen
2004-11-22 14:34     ` Gordon Henderson
2004-11-22 17:51       ` Guy
2004-11-22 23:26         ` Gordon Henderson
2004-11-22 23:48           ` Guy
2004-11-23  0:09             ` Måns Rullgård
2004-11-23 15:33             ` Gordon Henderson
2004-11-23  0:17     ` berk walker
2004-11-23  9:24       ` Robin Bowes
2004-11-23 12:31         ` Bob Hillegas
2004-11-23 13:00           ` berk walker
     [not found] <Pine.LNX.4.44.0411201655400.19120-100000@coffee.psychology.mcmaster.ca>
2004-11-21 21:28 ` Mark Klarzynski
2004-11-21 21:58   ` Mark Hahn
2004-11-22  6:29   ` Mikael Abrahamsson
     [not found] <04Nov26.172857est.30052@gpu.utcc.utoronto.ca>
2004-11-26 22:41 ` Robin Bowes

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