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From: Zlatko Calusic <zlatko@iskon.hr>
To: Simon Kirby <sim@stormix.com>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>,
	"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@conectiva.com.br>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Subtle MM bug
Date: 09 Jan 2001 21:10:54 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <dnwvc4ij01.fsf@magla.iskon.hr> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <dnbstgewoj.fsf@magla.iskon.hr> <Pine.LNX.4.10.10101091041150.2070-100000@penguin.transmeta.com> <20010109145352.A23691@stormix.com>
In-Reply-To: Simon Kirby's message of "Tue, 9 Jan 2001 14:53:52 -0500"

Simon Kirby <sim@stormix.com> writes:

> On Tue, Jan 09, 2001 at 10:47:57AM -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> 
> > And this _is_ a downside, there's no question about it. There's the worry
> > about the potential loss of locality, but there's also the fact that you
> > effectively need a bigger swap partition with 2.4.x - never mind that
> > large portions of the allocations may never be used. You still need the
> > disk space for good VM behaviour.
> > 
> > There are always trade-offs, I think the 2.4.x tradeoff is a good one.
> 
> Hmm, perhaps you could clarify...
> 
> For boxes that rarely ever use swap with 2.2, will they now need more
> swap space on 2.4 to perform well, or just boxes which don't have enough
> RAM to handle everything nicely?
>

Just boxes that were already short on memory (swapped a lot) will need
more swap, empirically up to 4 times as much. If you already had
enough memory than things will stay almost the same for you.

But anyway, after some testing I've done recently I would now not
recommend anybody to have less than 2 x RAM size swap partition.

> I've always been tending to make swap partitions smaller lately, as it
> helps in the case where we have to wait for a runaway process to eat up
> all of the swap space before it gets killed.  Making the swap size
> smaller speeds up the time it takes for this to happen, albeit something
> which isn't supposed to happen anyway.
> 

Well, if you continue with that practice now you will be even more
successful in killing such processes, I would say. :)
-- 
Zlatko
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2001-01-09 20:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 131+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-01-08  5:29 Subtle MM bug Wayne Whitney
2001-01-08  5:42 ` Andi Kleen
2001-01-08  6:04   ` Linus Torvalds
2001-01-08 17:44     ` Rik van Riel
2001-01-08 18:02       ` Linus Torvalds
2001-01-08 17:16 ` Rik van Riel
2001-01-08 17:58   ` Linus Torvalds
2001-01-08 23:41     ` Zlatko Calusic
2001-01-09  2:58       ` Linus Torvalds
2001-01-09  6:20       ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-01-09  7:27         ` Linus Torvalds
2001-01-09 11:38           ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-01-09 12:29           ` Zlatko Calusic
2001-01-09 18:47             ` Linus Torvalds
2001-01-09 19:09               ` Daniel Phillips
2001-01-09 19:29                 ` Trond Myklebust
2001-01-10 17:32                   ` Andi Kleen
2001-01-10 19:31                     ` Alan Cox
2001-01-10 19:33                       ` Andi Kleen
2001-01-10 19:40                         ` Alan Cox
2001-01-10 19:43                           ` Andi Kleen
2001-01-10 19:48                             ` Alan Cox
2001-01-10 19:48                               ` Andi Kleen
2001-01-11  9:51                               ` Trond Myklebust
2001-01-10 20:11                       ` Linus Torvalds
2001-01-11 12:56                         ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2001-01-11 13:10                           ` Andi Kleen
2001-01-11 13:12                           ` Trond Myklebust
2001-01-11 14:13                             ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2001-01-11 19:03                               ` Alexander Viro
2001-01-11 19:47                                 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2001-01-11 19:57                                   ` Alexander Viro
2001-01-11 16:50                           ` Albert D. Cahalan
2001-01-11 17:35                             ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2001-01-11 19:38                               ` Albert D. Cahalan
2001-01-11 19:01                           ` Alexander Viro
2001-01-09 19:37                 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-01-17  8:46                 ` Rik van Riel
2001-01-25 22:51                   ` Daniel Phillips
2001-01-09 19:53               ` Simon Kirby
2001-01-09 20:08                 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-01-09 20:10                 ` Zlatko Calusic [this message]
2001-01-10  1:45               ` David Woodhouse
2001-01-10  2:26                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-01-10  6:57                 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-01-10 11:46                   ` David Woodhouse
2001-01-10 14:56                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-01-10 17:46                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-01-10 18:33                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-01-17 14:26                           ` Rik van Riel
2001-01-10 19:03                         ` Linus Torvalds
2001-01-10 19:27                           ` David S. Miller
2001-01-10 19:36                           ` Alan Cox
2001-01-10 23:56                             ` David Weinehall
2001-01-11  0:24                               ` Alan Cox
2001-01-12  5:56                               ` Ralf Baechle
2001-01-12 16:10                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-01-12 21:11                                   ` Russell King
2001-01-15  2:56                                     ` Ralf Baechle
2001-01-15  6:59                                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-01-15  2:53                                   ` Ralf Baechle
2001-01-15  8:41                                     ` Caches, page coloring, virtual indexed caches, and more Eric W. Biederman
2001-01-15 11:54                                       ` Ralf Baechle
2001-01-15 12:53                                         ` Anton Blanchard
2001-01-15 17:41                                           ` Ralf Baechle
2001-01-17  4:36                                             ` Anton Blanchard
2001-01-16  9:34                                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-01-17  4:43                                             ` Anton Blanchard
2001-01-17  8:35                                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-01-15 17:16                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-01-15 17:16                                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-01-16  4:58                                           ` Ralf Baechle
2001-01-16  4:58                                             ` Ralf Baechle
2001-01-15 18:22                                         ` Jamie Lokier
2001-01-15 12:51                                       ` Anton Blanchard
2001-01-17 14:28                           ` Subtle MM bug Rik van Riel
2001-01-18  1:23                             ` Linus Torvalds
2001-01-18 11:48                               ` Rik van Riel
2001-01-10 17:03                     ` Linus Torvalds
2001-01-11 14:36                       ` Jim Gettys
2001-01-08 21:30   ` Wayne Whitney
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-01-10 19:57 Chris Wing
2001-01-08 20:39 Szabolcs Szakacsits
2001-01-08 21:56 ` Wayne Whitney
2001-01-08 23:22   ` Wayne Whitney
2001-01-08 23:30     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-01-09  0:37       ` Linus Torvalds
2001-01-08 22:00 ` Wayne Whitney
2001-01-08 22:15   ` Andrea Arcangeli
     [not found] <200101080602.WAA02132@pizda.ninka.net>
2001-01-08  6:42 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-01-08 13:11   ` Marcelo Tosatti
2001-01-08 16:42     ` Rik van Riel
2001-01-08 17:43     ` Linus Torvalds
2001-01-08 13:57   ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2001-01-08 17:29     ` Linus Torvalds
2001-01-08 18:10       ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2001-01-08 21:52         ` Marcelo Tosatti
2001-01-09  0:28           ` Linus Torvalds
2001-01-08 23:49             ` Marcelo Tosatti
2001-01-09  3:12               ` Linus Torvalds
2001-01-09 20:33                 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2001-01-09 22:44                   ` Linus Torvalds
2001-01-09 21:33                     ` Marcelo Tosatti
2001-01-09 23:58                       ` Linus Torvalds
2001-01-09 22:21                         ` Marcelo Tosatti
2001-01-10  0:23                           ` Linus Torvalds
2001-01-10  0:12                             ` Marcelo Tosatti
2001-01-10 11:29                               ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2001-01-11  3:30                             ` Marcelo Tosatti
2001-01-11  9:42                               ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2001-01-11 15:24                                 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2001-01-17  4:54                 ` Rik van Riel
2001-01-08 16:45   ` Rik van Riel
2001-01-08 17:50     ` Linus Torvalds
2001-01-08 18:21       ` Rik van Riel
2001-01-08 18:38         ` Linus Torvalds
2001-01-07 20:59 Zlatko Calusic
2001-01-07 20:59 ` Zlatko Calusic
2001-01-07 21:37 ` Rik van Riel
2001-01-07 21:37   ` Rik van Riel
2001-01-07 22:33   ` Zlatko Calusic
2001-01-07 22:33     ` Zlatko Calusic
2001-01-09  2:01   ` Zlatko Calusic
2001-01-09  2:01     ` Zlatko Calusic
2001-01-17  4:48     ` Rik van Riel
2001-01-17  4:48       ` Rik van Riel
2001-01-17 18:53       ` Zlatko Calusic
2001-01-17 18:53         ` Zlatko Calusic
2001-01-18  1:32         ` Rik van Riel
2001-01-18  1:32           ` Rik van Riel
2001-04-17 19:37           ` H. Peter Anvin

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