* [RFC PATCH 0/2] mm: zsmalloc: make shrinker compaction budget-aware
@ 2026-08-06 8:27 xueyuan.chen
2026-08-06 8:27 ` [RFC PATCH 1/2] mm: zsmalloc: add a page limit to pool compaction xueyuan.chen
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From: xueyuan.chen @ 2026-08-06 8:27 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Minchan Kim, Sergey Senozhatsky, Andrew Morton
Cc: linux-mm, linux-kernel, xueyuan.chen21
From: Xueyuan Chen <xueyuan.chen@vivo.com>
zs_shrinker_scan() currently calls zs_compact(), which compacts the whole
pool regardless of sc->nr_to_scan. A single shrinker callback can therefore
reclaim much more than requested and spend a long time in compaction.
On an Android device with 12 GB of RAM, observed zsmalloc compaction
durations had a p95 of 38.86 ms and a maximum of 269.68 ms, motivating a
per-scan reclaim goal.
This series uses sc->nr_to_scan as a reclaimed-page goal and keeps a
per-pool size-class cursor so later scans resume where the previous scan
stopped. The existing full-pool behavior of zs_compact() is unchanged.
Xueyuan Chen (2):
mm: zsmalloc: add a page limit to pool compaction
mm: zsmalloc: use the shrinker reclaim budget
mm/zsmalloc.c | 46 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++---------------
1 file changed, 31 insertions(+), 15 deletions(-)
--
2.47.3
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread* [RFC PATCH 1/2] mm: zsmalloc: add a page limit to pool compaction 2026-08-06 8:27 [RFC PATCH 0/2] mm: zsmalloc: make shrinker compaction budget-aware xueyuan.chen @ 2026-08-06 8:27 ` xueyuan.chen 2026-08-06 8:27 ` [RFC PATCH 2/2] mm: zsmalloc: use the shrinker reclaim budget xueyuan.chen 2026-08-07 3:56 ` [RFC PATCH 0/2] mm: zsmalloc: make shrinker compaction budget-aware Sergey Senozhatsky 2 siblings, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread From: xueyuan.chen @ 2026-08-06 8:27 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Minchan Kim, Sergey Senozhatsky, Andrew Morton Cc: linux-mm, linux-kernel, xueyuan.chen21 From: Xueyuan Chen <xueyuan.chen@vivo.com> Allow pool compaction to stop after reclaiming a requested number of pages. This prepares it for budgeted callers while keeping zs_compact() behavior unchanged. Signed-off-by: Xueyuan Chen <xueyuan.chen@vivo.com> --- mm/zsmalloc.c | 21 +++++++++++++++++---- 1 file changed, 17 insertions(+), 4 deletions(-) diff --git a/mm/zsmalloc.c b/mm/zsmalloc.c index 83f5820c45f9..334d24093c64 100644 --- a/mm/zsmalloc.c +++ b/mm/zsmalloc.c @@ -1884,7 +1884,8 @@ static unsigned long zs_can_compact(struct size_class *class) } static unsigned long __zs_compact(struct zs_pool *pool, - struct size_class *class) + struct size_class *class, + unsigned long max_pages) { struct zspage *src_zspage = NULL; struct zspage *dst_zspage = NULL; @@ -1896,7 +1897,7 @@ static unsigned long __zs_compact(struct zs_pool *pool, */ write_lock(&pool->lock); spin_lock(&class->lock); - while (zs_can_compact(class)) { + while ((pages_freed < max_pages) && zs_can_compact(class)) { int fg; if (!dst_zspage) { @@ -1947,12 +1948,16 @@ static unsigned long __zs_compact(struct zs_pool *pool, return pages_freed; } -unsigned long zs_compact(struct zs_pool *pool) +static unsigned long zs_compact_pool(struct zs_pool *pool, + unsigned long max_pages) { int i; struct size_class *class; unsigned long pages_freed = 0; + if (!max_pages) + return 0; + /* * Pool compaction is performed under pool->lock so it is basically * single-threaded. Having more than one thread in __zs_compact() @@ -1966,13 +1971,21 @@ unsigned long zs_compact(struct zs_pool *pool) class = pool->size_class[i]; if (class->index != i) continue; - pages_freed += __zs_compact(pool, class); + pages_freed += __zs_compact(pool, class, + max_pages - pages_freed); + if (pages_freed >= max_pages) + break; } atomic_long_add(pages_freed, &pool->stats.pages_compacted); atomic_set(&pool->compaction_in_progress, 0); return pages_freed; } + +unsigned long zs_compact(struct zs_pool *pool) +{ + return zs_compact_pool(pool, ULONG_MAX); +} EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL(zs_compact); void zs_pool_stats(struct zs_pool *pool, struct zs_pool_stats *stats) -- 2.47.3 ^ permalink raw reply related [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* [RFC PATCH 2/2] mm: zsmalloc: use the shrinker reclaim budget 2026-08-06 8:27 [RFC PATCH 0/2] mm: zsmalloc: make shrinker compaction budget-aware xueyuan.chen 2026-08-06 8:27 ` [RFC PATCH 1/2] mm: zsmalloc: add a page limit to pool compaction xueyuan.chen @ 2026-08-06 8:27 ` xueyuan.chen 2026-08-07 3:56 ` [RFC PATCH 0/2] mm: zsmalloc: make shrinker compaction budget-aware Sergey Senozhatsky 2 siblings, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread From: xueyuan.chen @ 2026-08-06 8:27 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Minchan Kim, Sergey Senozhatsky, Andrew Morton Cc: linux-mm, linux-kernel, xueyuan.chen21 From: Xueyuan Chen <xueyuan.chen@vivo.com> The zsmalloc shrinker currently compacts the whole pool for every scan, which can do much more work than reclaim requires. Use the requested page count as the compaction goal and continue later scans from the previous position. Signed-off-by: Xueyuan Chen <xueyuan.chen@vivo.com> --- mm/zsmalloc.c | 33 ++++++++++++++++++--------------- 1 file changed, 18 insertions(+), 15 deletions(-) diff --git a/mm/zsmalloc.c b/mm/zsmalloc.c index 334d24093c64..aa5900ce2620 100644 --- a/mm/zsmalloc.c +++ b/mm/zsmalloc.c @@ -217,6 +217,8 @@ struct zs_pool { /* protect zspage migration/compaction */ rwlock_t lock; atomic_t compaction_in_progress; + /* next class shrinker triggered compaction */ + unsigned int compact_cursor; }; static inline void zpdesc_set_first(struct zpdesc *zpdesc) @@ -1949,9 +1951,10 @@ static unsigned long __zs_compact(struct zs_pool *pool, } static unsigned long zs_compact_pool(struct zs_pool *pool, - unsigned long max_pages) + unsigned long max_pages, + bool use_cursor) { - int i; + unsigned int index, nr_scanned; struct size_class *class; unsigned long pages_freed = 0; @@ -1967,15 +1970,19 @@ static unsigned long zs_compact_pool(struct zs_pool *pool, if (atomic_xchg(&pool->compaction_in_progress, 1)) return 0; - for (i = ZS_SIZE_CLASSES - 1; i >= 0; i--) { - class = pool->size_class[i]; - if (class->index != i) - continue; - pages_freed += __zs_compact(pool, class, - max_pages - pages_freed); + index = use_cursor ? pool->compact_cursor : ZS_SIZE_CLASSES - 1; + for (nr_scanned = ZS_SIZE_CLASSES; nr_scanned; nr_scanned--) { + class = pool->size_class[index]; + if (class->index == index) + pages_freed += __zs_compact(pool, class, + max_pages - pages_freed); + index = index ? index - 1 : ZS_SIZE_CLASSES - 1; if (pages_freed >= max_pages) break; } + if (use_cursor) + pool->compact_cursor = index; + atomic_long_add(pages_freed, &pool->stats.pages_compacted); atomic_set(&pool->compaction_in_progress, 0); @@ -1984,7 +1991,7 @@ static unsigned long zs_compact_pool(struct zs_pool *pool, unsigned long zs_compact(struct zs_pool *pool) { - return zs_compact_pool(pool, ULONG_MAX); + return zs_compact_pool(pool, ULONG_MAX, false); } EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL(zs_compact); @@ -2000,12 +2007,7 @@ static unsigned long zs_shrinker_scan(struct shrinker *shrinker, unsigned long pages_freed; struct zs_pool *pool = shrinker->private_data; - /* - * Compact classes and calculate compaction delta. - * Can run concurrently with a manually triggered - * (by user) compaction. - */ - pages_freed = zs_compact(pool); + pages_freed = zs_compact_pool(pool, sc->nr_to_scan, true); return pages_freed ? pages_freed : SHRINK_STOP; } @@ -2094,6 +2096,7 @@ struct zs_pool *zs_create_pool(const char *name) init_deferred_free(pool); rwlock_init(&pool->lock); atomic_set(&pool->compaction_in_progress, 0); + pool->compact_cursor = ZS_SIZE_CLASSES - 1; pool->name = kstrdup(name, GFP_KERNEL); if (!pool->name) -- 2.47.3 ^ permalink raw reply related [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: [RFC PATCH 0/2] mm: zsmalloc: make shrinker compaction budget-aware 2026-08-06 8:27 [RFC PATCH 0/2] mm: zsmalloc: make shrinker compaction budget-aware xueyuan.chen 2026-08-06 8:27 ` [RFC PATCH 1/2] mm: zsmalloc: add a page limit to pool compaction xueyuan.chen 2026-08-06 8:27 ` [RFC PATCH 2/2] mm: zsmalloc: use the shrinker reclaim budget xueyuan.chen @ 2026-08-07 3:56 ` Sergey Senozhatsky 2026-08-07 10:57 ` Xueyuan Chen 2 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread From: Sergey Senozhatsky @ 2026-08-07 3:56 UTC (permalink / raw) To: xueyuan.chen Cc: Minchan Kim, Sergey Senozhatsky, Andrew Morton, linux-mm, linux-kernel, xueyuan.chen21 On (26/08/06 16:27), xueyuan.chen@vivo.com wrote: > On an Android device with 12 GB of RAM, observed zsmalloc compaction > durations had a p95 of 38.86 ms and a maximum of 269.68 ms, motivating a > per-scan reclaim goal. Would it be possible to give a little more data? What was the fragmentation ratio, how much memory was saved during that auto-compaction, etc. If possible. Somewhere in the back of my mind I was thinking about, maybe, disabling (removing) zsmalloc shrinker callbacks, in other words disabling auto-compaction. We have a sysfs knob for pool compaction for system that still want to run compaction. So I'm leaning towards removal of shrinker callbacks from zsmalloc. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: [RFC PATCH 0/2] mm: zsmalloc: make shrinker compaction budget-aware 2026-08-07 3:56 ` [RFC PATCH 0/2] mm: zsmalloc: make shrinker compaction budget-aware Sergey Senozhatsky @ 2026-08-07 10:57 ` Xueyuan Chen 2026-08-07 12:12 ` Sergey Senozhatsky 0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread From: Xueyuan Chen @ 2026-08-07 10:57 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Sergey Senozhatsky Cc: Minchan Kim, Andrew Morton, linux-mm, linux-kernel, xueyuan.chen21 Hi Sergey, Here is some additional data: I used the following definitions: compactable ratio = freeable_pages / total_pages memory reclaimed = pages_freed * PAGE_SIZE freeable_pages is the estimate before compaction, based on the same calculation as zs_shrinker_count(), while pages_freed is the actual number of backing pages released. There were 264 callbacks in the trace: callback elapsed time: median: 5.77 ms p95: 55.82 ms maximum: 271.36 ms compactable ratio before compaction: median: 0.32% p95: 2.86% maximum: 8.33% memory reclaimed per callback: median: 3.80 MiB p95: 30.45 MiB maximum: 92.73 MiB The longest callback took 271.36 ms. Its compactable ratio was 3.25%, and it released 7,650 pages, or about 29.88 MiB. There was also a 241.91 ms callback (with 30 schedule-outs) with a compactable ratio of 0.44%. It released 1,019 pages, or about 3.98 MiB. Based on this data, it seems better to remove the shrinker. Would you prefer that I change v2 to remove the zsmalloc shrinker callbacks directly? Thanks, Xueyuan On 8/7/2026 11:56 AM, Sergey Senozhatsky wrote: > On (26/08/06 16:27), xueyuan.chen@vivo.com wrote: >> On an Android device with 12 GB of RAM, observed zsmalloc compaction >> durations had a p95 of 38.86 ms and a maximum of 269.68 ms, motivating a >> per-scan reclaim goal. > Would it be possible to give a little more data? What was the > fragmentation ratio, how much memory was saved during that > auto-compaction, etc. If possible. > > Somewhere in the back of my mind I was thinking about, maybe, > disabling (removing) zsmalloc shrinker callbacks, in other words > disabling auto-compaction. We have a sysfs knob for pool compaction > for system that still want to run compaction. So I'm leaning towards > removal of shrinker callbacks from zsmalloc. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: [RFC PATCH 0/2] mm: zsmalloc: make shrinker compaction budget-aware 2026-08-07 10:57 ` Xueyuan Chen @ 2026-08-07 12:12 ` Sergey Senozhatsky 2026-08-07 16:25 ` Nhat Pham 0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread From: Sergey Senozhatsky @ 2026-08-07 12:12 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Xueyuan Chen, Nhat Pham, Barry Song, Yosry Ahmed, Johannes Weiner, Brian Geffon Cc: Sergey Senozhatsky, Minchan Kim, Andrew Morton, linux-mm, linux-kernel, xueyuan.chen21 On (26/08/07 18:57), Xueyuan Chen wrote: > Hi Sergey, > > Here is some additional data: > > I used the following definitions: > compactable ratio = freeable_pages / total_pages > memory reclaimed = pages_freed * PAGE_SIZE > > freeable_pages is the estimate before compaction, based on the same > calculation as zs_shrinker_count(), while pages_freed is the actual > number of backing pages released. > > There were 264 callbacks in the trace: > callback elapsed time: > median: 5.77 ms > p95: 55.82 ms > maximum: 271.36 ms > > compactable ratio before compaction: > median: 0.32% > p95: 2.86% > maximum: 8.33% > > memory reclaimed per callback: > median: 3.80 MiB > p95: 30.45 MiB > maximum: 92.73 MiB > > The longest callback took 271.36 ms. Its compactable ratio was 3.25%, > and it released 7,650 pages, or about 29.88 MiB. > > There was also a 241.91 ms callback (with 30 schedule-outs) with a > compactable ratio of 0.44%. It released 1,019 pages, or about > 3.98 MiB. > > Based on this data, it seems better to remove the shrinker. > > Would you prefer that I change v2 to remove the zsmalloc shrinker > callbacks directly? Let's bring in heavy artillery to this discussion, in addition to Andrew and Minchan, adding Nhat, Yosry, Barry, Johannes, Brian (random order). Folks, I'm bullish on removal of zsmalloc shrinker callbacks. I don't think those buy us much apart from memcpy-s and lock contention. Systems that want to compact zsmalloc have a sysfs knob (and API) to do so (based on zram mm_stat numbers). Any thoughts? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: [RFC PATCH 0/2] mm: zsmalloc: make shrinker compaction budget-aware 2026-08-07 12:12 ` Sergey Senozhatsky @ 2026-08-07 16:25 ` Nhat Pham 2026-08-11 9:03 ` Xueyuan Chen 0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread From: Nhat Pham @ 2026-08-07 16:25 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Sergey Senozhatsky Cc: Xueyuan Chen, Barry Song, Yosry Ahmed, Johannes Weiner, Brian Geffon, Minchan Kim, Andrew Morton, linux-mm, linux-kernel, xueyuan.chen21 On Fri, Aug 7, 2026 at 5:12 AM Sergey Senozhatsky <senozhatsky@chromium.org> wrote: > > On (26/08/07 18:57), Xueyuan Chen wrote: > > Hi Sergey, > > > > Here is some additional data: > > > > I used the following definitions: > > compactable ratio = freeable_pages / total_pages > > memory reclaimed = pages_freed * PAGE_SIZE > > > > freeable_pages is the estimate before compaction, based on the same > > calculation as zs_shrinker_count(), while pages_freed is the actual > > number of backing pages released. > > > > There were 264 callbacks in the trace: > > callback elapsed time: > > median: 5.77 ms > > p95: 55.82 ms > > maximum: 271.36 ms > > > > compactable ratio before compaction: > > median: 0.32% > > p95: 2.86% > > maximum: 8.33% > > > > memory reclaimed per callback: > > median: 3.80 MiB > > p95: 30.45 MiB > > maximum: 92.73 MiB > > > > The longest callback took 271.36 ms. Its compactable ratio was 3.25%, > > and it released 7,650 pages, or about 29.88 MiB. > > > > There was also a 241.91 ms callback (with 30 schedule-outs) with a > > compactable ratio of 0.44%. It released 1,019 pages, or about > > 3.98 MiB. > > > > Based on this data, it seems better to remove the shrinker. > > > > Would you prefer that I change v2 to remove the zsmalloc shrinker > > callbacks directly? > > Let's bring in heavy artillery to this discussion, in addition to Andrew > and Minchan, adding Nhat, Yosry, Barry, Johannes, Brian (random order). > > Folks, I'm bullish on removal of zsmalloc shrinker callbacks. > I don't think those buy us much apart from memcpy-s and lock > contention. Systems that want to compact zsmalloc have a sysfs > knob (and API) to do so (based on zram mm_stat numbers). Hmm we'd need to collect more data in our workloads to determine, but if we can compute compactable ratio (freeable_pages / total_pages) on a per size class basis, can we just skip the size class whose ratio is too bad? Would that at least cut down on the vast majority of fruitless memcpys and lock acquisitions etc? I'm always a bit hesitant to over-rely on userspace, especially when kernel has information to do something smart about it. It might not react in time, and many proactive reclaiming schemes back off under heavy memory pressure. > > Any thoughts? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: [RFC PATCH 0/2] mm: zsmalloc: make shrinker compaction budget-aware 2026-08-07 16:25 ` Nhat Pham @ 2026-08-11 9:03 ` Xueyuan Chen 2026-08-11 16:25 ` Nhat Pham 0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread From: Xueyuan Chen @ 2026-08-11 9:03 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Nhat Pham, Sergey Senozhatsky Cc: Barry Song, Yosry Ahmed, Johannes Weiner, Brian Geffon, Minchan Kim, Andrew Morton, linux-mm, linux-kernel, xueyuan.chen21 On 8/8/2026 12:25 AM, Nhat Pham wrote: > On Fri, Aug 7, 2026 at 5:12 AM Sergey Senozhatsky > <senozhatsky@chromium.org> wrote: >> On (26/08/07 18:57), Xueyuan Chen wrote: >>> Hi Sergey, >>> >>> Here is some additional data: >>> >>> I used the following definitions: >>> compactable ratio = freeable_pages / total_pages >>> memory reclaimed = pages_freed * PAGE_SIZE >>> >>> freeable_pages is the estimate before compaction, based on the same >>> calculation as zs_shrinker_count(), while pages_freed is the actual >>> number of backing pages released. >>> >>> There were 264 callbacks in the trace: >>> callback elapsed time: >>> median: 5.77 ms >>> p95: 55.82 ms >>> maximum: 271.36 ms >>> >>> compactable ratio before compaction: >>> median: 0.32% >>> p95: 2.86% >>> maximum: 8.33% >>> >>> memory reclaimed per callback: >>> median: 3.80 MiB >>> p95: 30.45 MiB >>> maximum: 92.73 MiB >>> >>> The longest callback took 271.36 ms. Its compactable ratio was 3.25%, >>> and it released 7,650 pages, or about 29.88 MiB. >>> >>> There was also a 241.91 ms callback (with 30 schedule-outs) with a >>> compactable ratio of 0.44%. It released 1,019 pages, or about >>> 3.98 MiB. >>> >>> Based on this data, it seems better to remove the shrinker. >>> >>> Would you prefer that I change v2 to remove the zsmalloc shrinker >>> callbacks directly? >> Let's bring in heavy artillery to this discussion, in addition to Andrew >> and Minchan, adding Nhat, Yosry, Barry, Johannes, Brian (random order). >> >> Folks, I'm bullish on removal of zsmalloc shrinker callbacks. >> I don't think those buy us much apart from memcpy-s and lock >> contention. Systems that want to compact zsmalloc have a sysfs >> knob (and API) to do so (based on zram mm_stat numbers). > Hmm we'd need to collect more data in our workloads to determine, but > if we can compute compactable ratio (freeable_pages / total_pages) on > a per size class basis, can we just skip the size class whose ratio is > too bad? Would that at least cut down on the vast majority of > fruitless memcpys and lock acquisitions etc? > > I'm always a bit hesitant to over-rely on userspace, especially when > kernel has information to do something smart about it. It might not > react in time, and many proactive reclaiming schemes back off under > heavy memory pressure. Hi Nhat, I collected per size-class data. 53.7% of size classes have freeable==0, so skipping them saves some time. However, 94.7% of zs_compact() time is spent on classes where freeable > 0 — meaning the cost is dominated by the actual compaction work, not by scanning empty classes. That said, skipping freeable == 0 classes is still a worthwhile optimization on its own — it avoids unnecessary write_lock,spin_lock. But it would not meaningfully reduce the worst-case latency. Thanks, Xueyuan >> Any thoughts? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: [RFC PATCH 0/2] mm: zsmalloc: make shrinker compaction budget-aware 2026-08-11 9:03 ` Xueyuan Chen @ 2026-08-11 16:25 ` Nhat Pham 2026-08-14 16:50 ` Xueyuan Chen 2026-08-18 12:11 ` Xueyuan Chen 0 siblings, 2 replies; 11+ messages in thread From: Nhat Pham @ 2026-08-11 16:25 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Xueyuan Chen Cc: Sergey Senozhatsky, Barry Song, Yosry Ahmed, Johannes Weiner, Brian Geffon, Minchan Kim, Andrew Morton, linux-mm, linux-kernel, xueyuan.chen21 On Tue, Aug 11, 2026 at 2:04 AM Xueyuan Chen <xueyuan.chen@vivo.com> wrote: > > > On 8/8/2026 12:25 AM, Nhat Pham wrote: > > On Fri, Aug 7, 2026 at 5:12 AM Sergey Senozhatsky > > <senozhatsky@chromium.org> wrote: > >> On (26/08/07 18:57), Xueyuan Chen wrote: > >>> Hi Sergey, > >>> > >>> Here is some additional data: > >>> > >>> I used the following definitions: > >>> compactable ratio = freeable_pages / total_pages > >>> memory reclaimed = pages_freed * PAGE_SIZE > >>> > >>> freeable_pages is the estimate before compaction, based on the same > >>> calculation as zs_shrinker_count(), while pages_freed is the actual > >>> number of backing pages released. > >>> > >>> There were 264 callbacks in the trace: > >>> callback elapsed time: > >>> median: 5.77 ms > >>> p95: 55.82 ms > >>> maximum: 271.36 ms > >>> > >>> compactable ratio before compaction: > >>> median: 0.32% > >>> p95: 2.86% > >>> maximum: 8.33% > >>> > >>> memory reclaimed per callback: > >>> median: 3.80 MiB > >>> p95: 30.45 MiB > >>> maximum: 92.73 MiB > >>> > >>> The longest callback took 271.36 ms. Its compactable ratio was 3.25%, > >>> and it released 7,650 pages, or about 29.88 MiB. > >>> > >>> There was also a 241.91 ms callback (with 30 schedule-outs) with a > >>> compactable ratio of 0.44%. It released 1,019 pages, or about > >>> 3.98 MiB. > >>> > >>> Based on this data, it seems better to remove the shrinker. > >>> > >>> Would you prefer that I change v2 to remove the zsmalloc shrinker > >>> callbacks directly? > >> Let's bring in heavy artillery to this discussion, in addition to Andrew > >> and Minchan, adding Nhat, Yosry, Barry, Johannes, Brian (random order). > >> > >> Folks, I'm bullish on removal of zsmalloc shrinker callbacks. > >> I don't think those buy us much apart from memcpy-s and lock > >> contention. Systems that want to compact zsmalloc have a sysfs > >> knob (and API) to do so (based on zram mm_stat numbers). > > Hmm we'd need to collect more data in our workloads to determine, but > > if we can compute compactable ratio (freeable_pages / total_pages) on > > a per size class basis, can we just skip the size class whose ratio is > > too bad? Would that at least cut down on the vast majority of > > fruitless memcpys and lock acquisitions etc? > > > > I'm always a bit hesitant to over-rely on userspace, especially when > > kernel has information to do something smart about it. It might not > > react in time, and many proactive reclaiming schemes back off under > > heavy memory pressure. > > Hi Nhat, > > I collected per size-class data. 53.7% of size classes have freeable==0, > so skipping them saves some time. However, 94.7% of zs_compact() time is > spent on classes where freeable > 0 — meaning the cost is dominated by > the actual compaction work, not by scanning empty classes. What's the distribution of these? Say if I were to skip all size class with compactable ratio below 20%, or those where we can free at least one full zspage? (IIUC, we only free any memory at all if a zspage got freed up from our internal compaction, correct?). ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: [RFC PATCH 0/2] mm: zsmalloc: make shrinker compaction budget-aware 2026-08-11 16:25 ` Nhat Pham @ 2026-08-14 16:50 ` Xueyuan Chen 2026-08-18 12:11 ` Xueyuan Chen 1 sibling, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread From: Xueyuan Chen @ 2026-08-14 16:50 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Nhat Pham Cc: Xueyuan Chen, Sergey Senozhatsky, Barry Song, Yosry Ahmed, Johannes Weiner, Brian Geffon, Minchan Kim, Andrew Morton, linux-mm, linux-kernel On Wed, Aug 12, 2026 at 12:25 AM Nhat Pham <nphamcs@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 11, 2026 at 2:04 AM Xueyuan Chen <xueyuan.chen@vivo.com> wrote: > > > > > > On 8/8/2026 12:25 AM, Nhat Pham wrote: > > > On Fri, Aug 7, 2026 at 5:12 AM Sergey Senozhatsky > > > <senozhatsky@chromium.org> wrote: > > >> On (26/08/07 18:57), Xueyuan Chen wrote: > > >>> Hi Sergey, > > >>> > > >>> Here is some additional data: > > >>> > > >>> I used the following definitions: > > >>> compactable ratio = freeable_pages / total_pages > > >>> memory reclaimed = pages_freed * PAGE_SIZE > > >>> > > >>> freeable_pages is the estimate before compaction, based on the same > > >>> calculation as zs_shrinker_count(), while pages_freed is the actual > > >>> number of backing pages released. > > >>> > > >>> There were 264 callbacks in the trace: > > >>> callback elapsed time: > > >>> median: 5.77 ms > > >>> p95: 55.82 ms > > >>> maximum: 271.36 ms > > >>> > > >>> compactable ratio before compaction: > > >>> median: 0.32% > > >>> p95: 2.86% > > >>> maximum: 8.33% > > >>> > > >>> memory reclaimed per callback: > > >>> median: 3.80 MiB > > >>> p95: 30.45 MiB > > >>> maximum: 92.73 MiB > > >>> > > >>> The longest callback took 271.36 ms. Its compactable ratio was 3.25%, > > >>> and it released 7,650 pages, or about 29.88 MiB. > > >>> > > >>> There was also a 241.91 ms callback (with 30 schedule-outs) with a > > >>> compactable ratio of 0.44%. It released 1,019 pages, or about > > >>> 3.98 MiB. > > >>> > > >>> Based on this data, it seems better to remove the shrinker. > > >>> > > >>> Would you prefer that I change v2 to remove the zsmalloc shrinker > > >>> callbacks directly? > > >> Let's bring in heavy artillery to this discussion, in addition to Andrew > > >> and Minchan, adding Nhat, Yosry, Barry, Johannes, Brian (random order). > > >> > > >> Folks, I'm bullish on removal of zsmalloc shrinker callbacks. > > >> I don't think those buy us much apart from memcpy-s and lock > > >> contention. Systems that want to compact zsmalloc have a sysfs > > >> knob (and API) to do so (based on zram mm_stat numbers). > > > Hmm we'd need to collect more data in our workloads to determine, but > > > if we can compute compactable ratio (freeable_pages / total_pages) on > > > a per size class basis, can we just skip the size class whose ratio is > > > too bad? Would that at least cut down on the vast majority of > > > fruitless memcpys and lock acquisitions etc? > > > > > > I'm always a bit hesitant to over-rely on userspace, especially when > > > kernel has information to do something smart about it. It might not > > > react in time, and many proactive reclaiming schemes back off under > > > heavy memory pressure. > > > > Hi Nhat, > > > > I collected per size-class data. 53.7% of size classes have freeable==0, > > so skipping them saves some time. However, 94.7% of zs_compact() time is > > spent on classes where freeable > 0 — meaning the cost is dominated by > > the actual compaction work, not by scanning empty classes. > Hi Nhat, Sorry for the late reply. > What's the distribution of these? Say if I were to skip all size class > with compactable ratio below 20%, or those where we can free at least > one full zspage? (IIUC, we only free any memory at all if a zspage got > freed up from our internal compaction, correct?). You are right, we only free the backing pages when a full zspage is emptied by compaction. My test device had some problems, I need some time to collect new data. The good news is the per-size-class distribution should be ready next week. Thanks ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: [RFC PATCH 0/2] mm: zsmalloc: make shrinker compaction budget-aware 2026-08-11 16:25 ` Nhat Pham 2026-08-14 16:50 ` Xueyuan Chen @ 2026-08-18 12:11 ` Xueyuan Chen 1 sibling, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread From: Xueyuan Chen @ 2026-08-18 12:11 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Nhat Pham Cc: Sergey Senozhatsky, Barry Song, Yosry Ahmed, Johannes Weiner, Brian Geffon, Minchan Kim, Andrew Morton, linux-mm, linux-kernel, xueyuan.chen21 On 8/12/2026 12:25 AM, Nhat Pham wrote: > On Tue, Aug 11, 2026 at 2:04 AM Xueyuan Chen <xueyuan.chen@vivo.com> wrote: >> >> On 8/8/2026 12:25 AM, Nhat Pham wrote: >>> On Fri, Aug 7, 2026 at 5:12 AM Sergey Senozhatsky >>> <senozhatsky@chromium.org> wrote: >>>> On (26/08/07 18:57), Xueyuan Chen wrote: >>>>> Hi Sergey, >>>>> >>>>> Here is some additional data: >>>>> >>>>> I used the following definitions: >>>>> compactable ratio = freeable_pages / total_pages >>>>> memory reclaimed = pages_freed * PAGE_SIZE >>>>> >>>>> freeable_pages is the estimate before compaction, based on the same >>>>> calculation as zs_shrinker_count(), while pages_freed is the actual >>>>> number of backing pages released. >>>>> >>>>> There were 264 callbacks in the trace: >>>>> callback elapsed time: >>>>> median: 5.77 ms >>>>> p95: 55.82 ms >>>>> maximum: 271.36 ms >>>>> >>>>> compactable ratio before compaction: >>>>> median: 0.32% >>>>> p95: 2.86% >>>>> maximum: 8.33% >>>>> >>>>> memory reclaimed per callback: >>>>> median: 3.80 MiB >>>>> p95: 30.45 MiB >>>>> maximum: 92.73 MiB >>>>> >>>>> The longest callback took 271.36 ms. Its compactable ratio was 3.25%, >>>>> and it released 7,650 pages, or about 29.88 MiB. >>>>> >>>>> There was also a 241.91 ms callback (with 30 schedule-outs) with a >>>>> compactable ratio of 0.44%. It released 1,019 pages, or about >>>>> 3.98 MiB. >>>>> >>>>> Based on this data, it seems better to remove the shrinker. >>>>> >>>>> Would you prefer that I change v2 to remove the zsmalloc shrinker >>>>> callbacks directly? >>>> Let's bring in heavy artillery to this discussion, in addition to Andrew >>>> and Minchan, adding Nhat, Yosry, Barry, Johannes, Brian (random order). >>>> >>>> Folks, I'm bullish on removal of zsmalloc shrinker callbacks. >>>> I don't think those buy us much apart from memcpy-s and lock >>>> contention. Systems that want to compact zsmalloc have a sysfs >>>> knob (and API) to do so (based on zram mm_stat numbers). >>> Hmm we'd need to collect more data in our workloads to determine, but >>> if we can compute compactable ratio (freeable_pages / total_pages) on >>> a per size class basis, can we just skip the size class whose ratio is >>> too bad? Would that at least cut down on the vast majority of >>> fruitless memcpys and lock acquisitions etc? >>> >>> I'm always a bit hesitant to over-rely on userspace, especially when >>> kernel has information to do something smart about it. It might not >>> react in time, and many proactive reclaiming schemes back off under >>> heavy memory pressure. >> Hi Nhat, >> >> I collected per size-class data. 53.7% of size classes have freeable==0, >> so skipping them saves some time. However, 94.7% of zs_compact() time is >> spent on classes where freeable > 0 — meaning the cost is dominated by >> the actual compaction work, not by scanning empty classes. > What's the distribution of these? Say if I were to skip all size class > with compactable ratio below 20%, or those where we can free at least > one full zspage? (IIUC, we only free any memory at all if a zspage got > freed up from our internal compaction, correct?). Hi Nhat, Across 106 zram0 compaction callbacks, there were 6,246 per-class events with freeable > 0, covering 118 size classes. The data by object size was: | object size (bytes) | classes | events | total pages | freeable pages | | [0, 256) | 14 | 570 | 182297 | 6728 | | [256, 512) | 16 | 748 | 480127 | 14526 | | [512, 1024) | 30 | 1586 | 2677075 | 71934 | | [1024, 2048) | 36 | 2180 | 11990170 | 294133 | | [2048, 3072) | 15 | 821 | 5089301 | 106204 | | [3072, 4096] | 7 | 341 | 1170843 | 20012 | The compactable-ratio distribution at class-compaction entry was: p25: 0.75% median: 1.65% p90: 6.76% p95: 9.42% p99: 14.52% maximum: 30.99% Only 12 out of 6,246 events had a ratio of 20% or higher, so a 20% threshold would skip nearly all of them. | freeable pages | total pages | compactable ratio | class A | 10 | 20 | 50% | class B | 20 | 50 | 40% | In this example, class B has more freeable pages even though its ratio is lower. So I don't think the ratio alone is enough to decide whether to compact a class. Thanks, Xueyuan ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
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