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From: Juergen Gross <jgross@suse.com>
To: Julien Grall <julien@xen.org>, xen-devel@lists.xenproject.org
Cc: "Stefano Stabellini" <sstabellini@kernel.org>,
	"Bertrand Marquis" <bertrand.marquis@arm.com>,
	"Michal Orzel" <michal.orzel@amd.com>,
	"Volodymyr Babchuk" <Volodymyr_Babchuk@epam.com>,
	"Andrew Cooper" <andrew.cooper3@citrix.com>,
	"George Dunlap" <george.dunlap@citrix.com>,
	"Jan Beulich" <jbeulich@suse.com>, "Wei Liu" <wl@xen.org>,
	"Roger Pau Monné" <roger.pau@citrix.com>,
	"Tamas K Lengyel" <tamas@tklengyel.com>,
	"Lukasz Hawrylko" <lukasz@hawrylko.pl>,
	"Daniel P. Smith" <dpsmith@apertussolutions.com>,
	"Mateusz Mówka" <mateusz.mowka@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 07/12] xen/spinlock: add explicit non-recursive locking functions
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2023 10:11:40 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <e903b152-cefe-4c87-a503-08c75a484767@suse.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5c2e8010-5548-4bef-bdb0-1613e2893a0d@xen.org>


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On 13.12.23 09:36, Julien Grall wrote:
> 
> 
> On 13/12/2023 06:17, Juergen Gross wrote:
>> On 12.12.23 19:49, Julien Grall wrote:
>>> Hi Juergen,
>>>
>>> On 12/12/2023 09:47, Juergen Gross wrote:
>>>> -#define spin_lock_init_prof(s, l) __spin_lock_init_prof(s, l, spinlock_t)
>>>> -#define rspin_lock_init_prof(s, l) __spin_lock_init_prof(s, l, rspinlock_t)
>>>> +#define spin_lock_init_prof(s, 
>>>> l)                                             \
>>>> +    __spin_lock_init_prof(s, l, lock, spinlock_t, 0)
>>>> +#define rspin_lock_init_prof(s, 
>>>> l)                                            \
>>>> +    __spin_lock_init_prof(s, l, rlock, rspinlock_t, 1)
>>>>   void _lock_profile_register_struct(
>>>>       int32_t type, struct lock_profile_qhead *qhead, int32_t idx);
>>>> @@ -174,6 +179,7 @@ struct lock_profile_qhead { };
>>>>   #endif
>>>> +
>>>
>>> Spurious change?
>>
>> Indeed, will remove it.
>>
>>>
>>>>   typedef union {
>>>>       uint32_t head_tail;
>>>>       struct {
>>>> @@ -261,4 +267,12 @@ void rspin_unlock_irqrestore(rspinlock_t *lock, 
>>>> unsigned long flags);
>>>>   /* Ensure a lock is quiescent between two critical operations. */
>>>>   #define spin_barrier(l)               _spin_barrier(l)
>>>> +#define nrspin_trylock(l)    spin_trylock(l)
>>>> +#define nrspin_lock(l)       spin_lock(l)
>>>> +#define nrspin_unlock(l)     spin_unlock(l)
>>>> +#define nrspin_lock_irq(l)   spin_lock_irq(l)
>>>> +#define nrspin_unlock_irq(l) spin_unlock_irq(l)
>>>> +#define nrspin_lock_irqsave(l, f)      spin_lock_irqsave(l, f)
>>>> +#define nrspin_unlock_irqrestore(l, f) spin_unlock_irqrestore(l, f)
>>>
>>> There is a comment describing [r]spinlock but not this new variant. Can you 
>>> add one?
>>
>> Okay.
>>
>>> That said, I know this is existing code, but I have to admit this is a bit 
>>> unclear why we are allowing an recursive spinlock to be non-recursive. To me 
>>> it sounds like we are making the typesafe not very safe because it doesn't 
>>> guarantee that we are not mixing the call nrspin_* with rspin_*.
>>
>> This is the current API.
> 
> I know. This is why I wrote "I know this is existing code".
> 
>>
>> If you have locked with nrspin_*, any rspin_* attempt on the same lock will
>> spin until rspin_unlock (nrspin_* will not set recurse_cpu, but take the
>> lock).
>>
>> If you have locked with rspin_*, any nrspin_* attempt on the same lock will
>> spin, too.
>>
>> So I don't see any major problem regarding accidental misuse, which wouldn't
>> be visible by deadlocks (there is no silent misbehavior).
> 
> Right, so this will lead to a deadlock, which is my concern. If we were using 
> rspinlock_* everywhere then the deadlock (at least in the case when you recurse) 
> would in theory not be possible (unless you recurse too much).

A programming error can lead to a deadlock, yes.

My understanding is that there are deliberate use cases of non-recursive locking
as paths using recursive locking of the same lock are not allowed in those
cases.

Just using rspinlock_* instead of nrspinlock_* would silently ignore such cases,
which is far worse than a deadlock, as those cases might introduce e.g. security
holes.

> My point here is to simplify the interface rather than providing because I don't 
> really see the benefits of providing a non-recursive version for recursive 
> spinlock.
> 
> Anyway as I said this is nothing new.

Correct. Nothing I'd like to address in this series.


Juergen

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  reply	other threads:[~2023-12-13  9:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 73+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-12-12  9:47 [PATCH v4 00/12] xen/spinlock: make recursive spinlocks a dedicated type Juergen Gross
2023-12-12  9:47 ` [PATCH v4 01/12] xen/spinlock: reduce lock profile ifdefs Juergen Gross
2023-12-12 12:44   ` Julien Grall
2023-12-12  9:47 ` [PATCH v4 02/12] xen/spinlock: make spinlock initializers more readable Juergen Gross
2023-12-12  9:47 ` [PATCH v4 03/12] xen/spinlock: introduce new type for recursive spinlocks Juergen Gross
2023-12-12 12:57   ` Julien Grall
2023-12-12 13:04     ` Juergen Gross
2023-12-12 13:07       ` Julien Grall
2023-12-21 10:34     ` Jan Beulich
2023-12-21 11:06       ` Juergen Gross
2023-12-21 11:07         ` Jan Beulich
2023-12-12  9:47 ` [PATCH v4 04/12] xen/spinlock: rename recursive lock functions Juergen Gross
2023-12-12 12:59   ` Julien Grall
2024-02-28 14:59   ` Jan Beulich
2023-12-12  9:47 ` [PATCH v4 05/12] xen/spinlock: add rspin_[un]lock_irq[save|restore]() Juergen Gross
2023-12-12 13:03   ` Julien Grall
2023-12-12 14:16     ` Juergen Gross
2024-02-28 15:09   ` Jan Beulich
2024-02-28 15:21     ` Jürgen Groß
2023-12-12  9:47 ` [PATCH v4 06/12] xen/spinlock: make struct lock_profile rspinlock_t aware Juergen Gross
2023-12-12 18:42   ` Julien Grall
2023-12-13  6:05     ` Juergen Gross
2023-12-13  8:32       ` Julien Grall
2023-12-13  8:36       ` Jan Beulich
2023-12-13  9:07         ` Juergen Gross
2024-02-28 15:19   ` Jan Beulich
2024-02-28 15:43     ` Jürgen Groß
2024-02-28 16:02       ` Jan Beulich
2024-02-28 16:22         ` Jürgen Groß
2023-12-12  9:47 ` [PATCH v4 07/12] xen/spinlock: add explicit non-recursive locking functions Juergen Gross
2023-12-12 18:49   ` Julien Grall
2023-12-13  6:17     ` Juergen Gross
2023-12-13  8:36       ` Julien Grall
2023-12-13  9:11         ` Juergen Gross [this message]
2024-02-29 13:49   ` Jan Beulich
2024-02-29 13:56     ` Juergen Gross
2023-12-12  9:47 ` [PATCH v4 08/12] xen/spinlock: add another function level Juergen Gross
2023-12-12 19:10   ` Julien Grall
2023-12-13  6:23     ` Juergen Gross
2023-12-13  8:43       ` Julien Grall
2023-12-13  9:17         ` Juergen Gross
2023-12-13  9:48           ` Julien Grall
2023-12-13  9:55             ` Juergen Gross
2023-12-13 10:06               ` Jan Beulich
2023-12-13 10:04             ` Jan Beulich
2024-02-29 13:59   ` Jan Beulich
2023-12-12  9:47 ` [PATCH v4 09/12] xen/spinlock: add missing rspin_is_locked() and rspin_barrier() Juergen Gross
2024-02-29 14:14   ` Jan Beulich
2024-02-29 14:18     ` Jürgen Groß
2023-12-12  9:47 ` [PATCH v4 10/12] xen/spinlock: split recursive spinlocks from normal ones Juergen Gross
2024-02-29 15:32   ` Jan Beulich
2024-02-29 15:45     ` Jürgen Groß
2024-03-01 14:37     ` Juergen Gross
2024-03-04  7:25       ` Jan Beulich
2024-03-04  7:43         ` Jürgen Groß
2023-12-12  9:47 ` [PATCH v4 11/12] xen/spinlock: remove indirection through macros for spin_*() functions Juergen Gross
2024-02-29 15:35   ` Jan Beulich
2023-12-12  9:47 ` [PATCH v4 12/12] xen/spinlock: support higher number of cpus Juergen Gross
2023-12-12 10:10   ` Julien Grall
2023-12-12 11:09     ` Juergen Gross
2023-12-12 11:40       ` Julien Grall
2023-12-12 12:11         ` Juergen Gross
2023-12-12 12:22           ` Julien Grall
2023-12-12 12:39   ` Julien Grall
2023-12-12 13:08     ` Juergen Gross
2023-12-12 14:04       ` Julien Grall
2024-02-29 15:46   ` Jan Beulich
2024-02-29 16:29     ` Jürgen Groß
2024-02-29 16:31       ` Jan Beulich
2024-02-29 16:45         ` Juergen Gross
2024-02-29 16:54           ` Jan Beulich
2024-02-29 17:04             ` Jürgen Groß
2024-02-29 17:07               ` Jan Beulich

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