Envctrl support for E450

Envctrl support for E450

[David Johnson]

Hello all,

I, like many other people, would really like to see support for the E450 in 
envctrl. But as nobody seems to be working on this at the moment, I thought 
offering an incentive may help.

So to the first person[s] to implement the support, I will pay $100 (US). OK, 
so that isn't a lot of money, but as lots of people need this feature I'm 
hoping some will come forward and add to it.

Full details here:
http://www.david-web.co.uk/index.php?pagename=envctrl

Regards,
David.

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Re: Envctrl support for E450

[Ben Collins]

How about throwing in a machine to work on it...the problem isn't time or
money, it's having _physical_ access to the equipment.


On Tue, May 03, 2005 at 10:47:20AM +0100, David Johnson wrote:
> Hello all,
> 
> I, like many other people, would really like to see support for the E450 in 
> envctrl. But as nobody seems to be working on this at the moment, I thought 
> offering an incentive may help.
> 
> So to the first person[s] to implement the support, I will pay $100 (US). OK, 
> so that isn't a lot of money, but as lots of people need this feature I'm 
> hoping some will come forward and add to it.
> 
> Full details here:
> http://www.david-web.co.uk/index.php?pagename=envctrl
> 
> Regards,
> David.
> 
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Re: Envctrl support for E450

[David Johnson]

On Tuesday 03 May 2005 16:48, Ben Collins wrote:
> How about throwing in a machine to work on it...the problem isn't time or
> money, it's having _physical_ access to the equipment.
>

Ah yes but that's a lot more complicated (and expensive) to arrange...
The best I can offer is shell access.

Maybe I could loan my machine to someone in the UK, but I'm not sure there are 
any UK-based SPARC kernel hackers.

Regards,
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Re: Envctrl support for E450

[sun_2_buy]

Hello,

i can hand out such a machine in any confuguration
and with any SUN card for some weeks to someone
in germany in case this helps.

Also to anywhere in the world but the shipment....


regards
Frank Seuberth
http://www.rentable-hardware.de

David Johnson wrote:

>On Tuesday 03 May 2005 16:48, Ben Collins wrote:
>  
>
>>How about throwing in a machine to work on it...the problem isn't time or
>>money, it's having _physical_ access to the equipment.
>>
>>    
>>
>
>Ah yes but that's a lot more complicated (and expensive) to arrange...
>The best I can offer is shell access.
>
>Maybe I could loan my machine to someone in the UK, but I'm not sure there are 
>any UK-based SPARC kernel hackers.
>
>Regards,
>David.
>
>  
>

Re: Envctrl support for E450

[Ben Collins]

It's not something that can just be "access". A developer for something
like this would need to have one for some time (we developers can't just
set aside a couple of days just to do this). If I had one, I could
probably get around to it within a few weeks. Would be the same for David
(he probably has less time than I do).

On Tue, May 03, 2005 at 10:20:53AM -0600, Davin Carter wrote:
> 
> I could arrange for access to one in the Denver Colorado US area.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Johnson [mailto:dj@david-web.co.uk]
> Sent: Tue 5/3/2005 10:03 AM
> To: Ben Collins
> Cc: sparclinux@vger.kernel.org; debian-sparc@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: Envctrl support for E450
>  
> On Tuesday 03 May 2005 16:48, Ben Collins wrote:
> > How about throwing in a machine to work on it...the problem isn't time or
> > money, it's having _physical_ access to the equipment.
> >
> 
> Ah yes but that's a lot more complicated (and expensive) to arrange...
> The best I can offer is shell access.
> 
> Maybe I could loan my machine to someone in the UK, but I'm not sure there are 
> any UK-based SPARC kernel hackers.
> 
> Regards,
> David.
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Re: Envctrl support for E450

[Eric Brower]

Whomever takes this on for 2.6 should seriously consider using the
envctrl framework I posted to the sparclinux list for SUNW,envctrltwo
support.  Contact me off-list if you want the latest 2.6 kernel patch.
 Adding E450 support should be straightforward, and a lot lless work
than the current roll-your-own method.

I'd just do it, but alas I don't have the hardware, either.  I'd
consider remote access, but folks are usually not dedicated enough to
make this work.

E

On 5/3/05, Ben Collins <bcollins@debian.org> wrote:
> It's not something that can just be "access". A developer for something
> like this would need to have one for some time (we developers can't just
> set aside a couple of days just to do this). If I had one, I could
> probably get around to it within a few weeks. Would be the same for David
> (he probably has less time than I do).
> 
> On Tue, May 03, 2005 at 10:20:53AM -0600, Davin Carter wrote:
> >
> > I could arrange for access to one in the Denver Colorado US area.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: David Johnson [mailto:dj@david-web.co.uk]
> > Sent: Tue 5/3/2005 10:03 AM
> > To: Ben Collins
> > Cc: sparclinux@vger.kernel.org; debian-sparc@lists.debian.org
> > Subject: Re: Envctrl support for E450
> >
> > On Tuesday 03 May 2005 16:48, Ben Collins wrote:
> > > How about throwing in a machine to work on it...the problem isn't time or
> > > money, it's having _physical_ access to the equipment.
> > >
> >
> > Ah yes but that's a lot more complicated (and expensive) to arrange...
> > The best I can offer is shell access.
> >
> > Maybe I could loan my machine to someone in the UK, but I'm not sure there are
> > any UK-based SPARC kernel hackers.
> >
> > Regards,
> > David.
> >
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Re: Envctrl support for E450

[David Johnson]

On Tuesday 03 May 2005 17:34, Ben Collins wrote:
> It's not something that can just be "access". A developer for something
> like this would need to have one for some time (we developers can't just
> set aside a couple of days just to do this). If I had one, I could
> probably get around to it within a few weeks. Would be the same for David
> (he probably has less time than I do).
>

OK, how about I scrap the bounty idea and instead offer $150 (£80/117EUR) 
towards shipping?

Regards,
David.

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Re: Envctrl support for E450

[Eric Brower]

If anybody can provide networked console access to such a system, I
may be convinced to play with it a bit (better still if you have a
networked power supply involved).  Please only volunteer if you are
able to assist with reboots/compiles/testing and plan to be reliable
(this has been a problem often enough).

Also, there is always the possibility the system could be damaged--
don't volunteer if the system is not yours to destroy or you disagree
with indemnifying all persons involved against such damage.

Thanks,
E

On 5/3/05, David Johnson <dj@david-web.co.uk> wrote:
> Hello all,
> 
> I, like many other people, would really like to see support for the E450 in
> envctrl. But as nobody seems to be working on this at the moment, I thought
> offering an incentive may help.
> 
> So to the first person[s] to implement the support, I will pay $100 (US). OK,
> so that isn't a lot of money, but as lots of people need this feature I'm
> hoping some will come forward and add to it.
> 
> Full details here:
> http://www.david-web.co.uk/index.php?pagename=envctrl
> 
> Regards,
> David.
> 
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Re: Envctrl support for E450

[David Johnson]

OK, this thread has gone quiet...

If I agree to pay the shipping, is there someone (preferably in the US) who 
has an E450 they can loan to a developer for at least a month?

Cheers,
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Re: Envctrl support for E450

[Jeff Adams]

We've got a E450 we're willing to donate and ship to someone in the US.

Please let me know me know any further requirements and I'll see what we 
can do to meet them.

Regards,

Jeff Adams
Webmaster
Hoover's Online

David Johnson wrote:
> OK, this thread has gone quiet...
> 
> If I agree to pay the shipping, is there someone (preferably in the US) who 
> has an E450 they can loan to a developer for at least a month?
> 
> Cheers,
> David.
> 

Re: Envctrl support for E450

[David Johnson]

On Monday 09 May 2005 22:39, you wrote:
> We've got a E450 we're willing to donate and ship to someone in the US.
>
> Please let me know me know any further requirements and I'll see what we
> can do to meet them.
>

Which developer wants it then?

Jeff: do you mean that you'll pay shipping too? If not, don't worry I'll cover 
it. If so, I'll go back to offering $100 to whichever developer takes on the 
job.

Cheers,
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Re: Envctrl support for E450

[Jeff Adams]

We'll cover shipping in the US along with donation of the machine. It's 
been retired and is currently taking up space on the floor.

One individual has indicated that he would be interested in working on 
this project, but he also indicated that he doesn't necessarily want to 
end up with the machine permanently.

If there's anyone else who is interested, please let me and/or the list 
know and we can get this sorted out.

Thanks,

- Jeff

David Johnson wrote:
> On Monday 09 May 2005 22:39, you wrote:
> 
>>We've got a E450 we're willing to donate and ship to someone in the US.
>>
>>Please let me know me know any further requirements and I'll see what we
>>can do to meet them.
>>
> 
> 
> Which developer wants it then?
> 
> Jeff: do you mean that you'll pay shipping too? If not, don't worry I'll cover 
> it. If so, I'll go back to offering $100 to whichever developer takes on the 
> job.
> 
> Cheers,
> David.
> 

Re: Envctrl support for E450

[David Johnson]

On Friday 13 May 2005 22:24, you wrote:
> We'll cover shipping in the US along with donation of the machine. It's
> been retired and is currently taking up space on the floor.
>
> One individual has indicated that he would be interested in working on
> this project, but he also indicated that he doesn't necessarily want to
> end up with the machine permanently.
>

Excellent.
If you let me know the spec, I'll see if the Debian project will have a use 
for it once this project is finished.

Regards,
David.


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Re: Envctrl support for E450

[Eric Brower]

I'll ask once again, as well.  I'm willing to provide a patch against
kernel.org 2.6.11.8 for a very incomplete and guaranteed
non-functional envctrl driver for the E450 to anybody willing to run
it on their system, report results back to me and be the least bit
responsive to testing modifications.  Contact me directly if you have
the hardware and the dedication-- the patch is too big for broadcast
to the list.

E

On 5/13/05, David Johnson <dj@david-web.co.uk> wrote:
> On Friday 13 May 2005 22:24, you wrote:
> > We'll cover shipping in the US along with donation of the machine. It's
> > been retired and is currently taking up space on the floor.
> >
> > One individual has indicated that he would be interested in working on
> > this project, but he also indicated that he doesn't necessarily want to
> > end up with the machine permanently.
> >
> 
> Excellent.
> If you let me know the spec, I'll see if the Debian project will have a use
> for it once this project is finished.
> 
> Regards,
> David.
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Re: Envctrl support for E450

[Jeff Adams]

It's an e450 (of course), 3GB RAM, (3) 4.5 GB drives, (8) 36GB drives 
(2) 400 Mhz procs (I think), 3 power supplies, dual backplanes, dual 
controllers, fast ethernet card, and a sun gigabit over fiber network 
card. We can provide the rackmount sliding tray as well.

- Jeff

David Johnson wrote:
> On Friday 13 May 2005 22:24, you wrote:

> Excellent.
> If you let me know the spec, I'll see if the Debian project will have a use 
> for it once this project is finished.
> 
> Regards,
> David.
> 
> 

Re: Envctrl support for E450

[David Johnson]

On Friday 13 May 2005 23:32, Jeff Adams wrote:
> It's an e450 (of course), 3GB RAM, (3) 4.5 GB drives, (8) 36GB drives
> (2) 400 Mhz procs (I think), 3 power supplies, dual backplanes, dual
> controllers, fast ethernet card, and a sun gigabit over fiber network
> card. We can provide the rackmount sliding tray as well.
>

Well I contacted the hardware donations person at Debian and they haven't 
replied, so I can only presume that they don't want it (!), so I don't know 
what to suggest if you can't find a developer who wants it. Maybe the Gentoo 
SPARC people...?

Failing that, just put it on eBay ;-)

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Re: Envctrl support for E450

[Herbert Wengatz]

Hi David!

Maybe you could/should contact sourceforge, too?

On the other hand, shipping it to some other place may cost so much and would 
be so much trouble that it simply doesn't pay off?

My experience shows me that it is best to try to give such stuff as a gift to 
some local Linux/Unix user group. - They can afford to get the stuff, they 
are interested and they are capable. - And if they are really nice, they make 
it free/open acessible in the net.

Yours,

Herbert


Am Dienstag, 17. Mai 2005 01:36 schrieb David Johnson  /   On Dienstag, 17. 
Mai 2005 01:36 wrote David Johnson:
> On Friday 13 May 2005 23:32, Jeff Adams wrote:
> > It's an e450 (of course), 3GB RAM, (3) 4.5 GB drives, (8) 36GB drives
> > (2) 400 Mhz procs (I think), 3 power supplies, dual backplanes, dual
> > controllers, fast ethernet card, and a sun gigabit over fiber network
> > card. We can provide the rackmount sliding tray as well.
>
> Well I contacted the hardware donations person at Debian and they haven't
> replied, so I can only presume that they don't want it (!), so I don't know
> what to suggest if you can't find a developer who wants it. Maybe the
> Gentoo SPARC people...?
>
> Failing that, just put it on eBay ;-)
>
> Regards,
> David.

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Re: Envctrl support for E450

[Tom 'spot' Callaway]

On Tue, 2005-05-17 at 00:36 +0100, David Johnson wrote:
> On Friday 13 May 2005 23:32, Jeff Adams wrote:
> > It's an e450 (of course), 3GB RAM, (3) 4.5 GB drives, (8) 36GB drives
> > (2) 400 Mhz procs (I think), 3 power supplies, dual backplanes, dual
> > controllers, fast ethernet card, and a sun gigabit over fiber network
> > card. We can provide the rackmount sliding tray as well.
> >
> 
> Well I contacted the hardware donations person at Debian and they haven't 
> replied, so I can only presume that they don't want it (!), so I don't know 
> what to suggest if you can't find a developer who wants it. Maybe the Gentoo 
> SPARC people...?

If no one else is willing, the Aurora SPARC Project would be more than
willing to take ownership of this machine and work with Eric Brower to
get envctrl working on it.

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Re: Envctrl support for E450

[David Johnson]

On Tuesday 17 May 2005 15:12, you wrote:
>
> If no one else is willing, the Aurora SPARC Project would be more than
> willing to take ownership of this machine and work with Eric Brower to
> get envctrl working on it.
>

That sounds like a good idea to me, but it's Jeff's machine - what do you 
think Jeff?

Eric: does the idea sound workable to you?

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Re: Envctrl support for E450

[Eric Brower]

On 5/17/05, David Johnson <dj@david-web.co.uk> wrote:
> On Tuesday 17 May 2005 15:12, you wrote:
> >
> > If no one else is willing, the Aurora SPARC Project would be more than
> > willing to take ownership of this machine and work with Eric Brower to
> > get envctrl working on it.
> >
> 
> That sounds like a good idea to me, but it's Jeff's machine - what do you
> think Jeff?
> 
> Eric: does the idea sound workable to you?

Sounds fine to me.  I'd prefer physical access to the box (or I retain
it for some period of time then pass it on) but I could live with
network console and power if Aurora can provide that-- least easily I
could go back-and-forth with Aurora folks testing drivers.  Where are
the Aurora folks located?

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Re: Envctrl support for E450

[Tom 'spot' Callaway]

On Tue, 2005-05-17 at 15:46 -0700, Eric Brower wrote:
> On 5/17/05, David Johnson <dj@david-web.co.uk> wrote:
> > On Tuesday 17 May 2005 15:12, you wrote:
> > >
> > > If no one else is willing, the Aurora SPARC Project would be more than
> > > willing to take ownership of this machine and work with Eric Brower to
> > > get envctrl working on it.
> > >
> > 
> > That sounds like a good idea to me, but it's Jeff's machine - what do you
> > think Jeff?
> > 
> > Eric: does the idea sound workable to you?
> 
> Sounds fine to me.  I'd prefer physical access to the box (or I retain
> it for some period of time then pass it on) but I could live with
> network console and power if Aurora can provide that-- least easily I
> could go back-and-forth with Aurora folks testing drivers.  Where are
> the Aurora folks located?

We could hold the box in Chicago, IL, Westford, MA, or maybe Raleigh,
NC. Network console at the prom level is easy, network power would be a
little more difficult (I don't have any network controlled power
switches).

Alternately, why don't we just send this machine to Eric, let him fix
the code directly, then send it to Aurora when he's done?

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Re: Envctrl support for E450

[Eric Brower]

On 5/17/05, Tom 'spot' Callaway <tcallawa@redhat.com> wrote:

> We could hold the box in Chicago, IL, Westford, MA, or maybe Raleigh,
> NC. Network console at the prom level is easy, network power would be a
> little more difficult (I don't have any network controlled power
> switches).
> 
> Alternately, why don't we just send this machine to Eric, let him fix
> the code directly, then send it to Aurora when he's done?

Shipping the system across the country twice likely costs more than
the value of the system.  I don't mind working via network console or
interactively with the Aurora folks (or anyone who would be
responsive).

E

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Re: Envctrl support for E450

[David Johnson]

On Wednesday 18 May 2005 18:49, Eric Brower wrote:
>
> Shipping the system across the country twice likely costs more than
> the value of the system.  I don't mind working via network console or
> interactively with the Aurora folks (or anyone who would be
> responsive).
>

In that case, I think we should continue with having it hosted at Aurora.

Tom & Jeff: could you two make contact and arrange the shipping?
Eric: will try the initial patch you sent me this week.

Thanks all,
David.

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Re: Envctrl support for E450

[Patrick Finnegan]

On Monday 23 May 2005 14:18, you wrote:
> On Wednesday 18 May 2005 18:49, Eric Brower wrote:
> > Shipping the system across the country twice likely costs more than
> > the value of the system.  I don't mind working via network console
> > or interactively with the Aurora folks (or anyone who would be
> > responsive).
>
> In that case, I think we should continue with having it hosted at
> Aurora.
>
> Tom & Jeff: could you two make contact and arrange the shipping?
> Eric: will try the initial patch you sent me this week.

I'm coming into this a bit late, but I've got an E450 which I've 
squandered at work and could get access to it set up for Ben or whoever 
is necessary.

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Re: Envctrl support for E450

[David Johnson]

On Thursday 26 May 2005 18:32, you wrote:
>
> I'm coming into this a bit late, but I've got an E450 which I've
> squandered at work and could get access to it set up for Ben or whoever
> is necessary.
>

I don't think access to another machine is needed, but I'm sure Eric would 
find it useful if you could test his patches. The more testers the better!

Regards,
David.

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