Distributions questions

Distributions questions

[UNIREA Sannicolau Mare]

Hi!
Our company need to install dosemu on older primitive computers, like AMD K6
on 400MHz, problem is that we have a lot of them and not enough money to
replace them with beter ones; so we need an older Linux distribution on
which works the latest version of dosemu.
I.e. how can we make latest version of xdosemu to work on RedHat6, RedHat7
and RedHat8? Or what older xdosemu versions work on such systems?


Any advices?
Thanx

Re: Distributions questions

[Stas Sergeev]

Hello.

UNIREA Sannicolau Mare wrote:
> I.e. how can we make latest version of xdosemu to work on RedHat6, 
> RedHat7 and RedHat8?
IIRC RedHat6 and 7 has the 2.2 linux kernels.
Dosemu should work on those, but there may be
a few problems, mostly with the DPMI apps.
And apart from bugs and missing features, the
DPMI on 2.2 was IIRC very, very slow.
Additionally, IIRC RedHat7 had the broken gcc
that used to miscompile dosemu, but you can use
a binary distribution.
On RedHat8 it should work almost normally, but
the kernel upgrade is still recommended.

> Or what older xdosemu versions work on such systems?
Older dosemus is a darkness. Unless your tasks
for it are really trivial and not mission-critical
(eg you can tolerate the frequent crashes, and
you don't afraid of a security holes), you almost
certainly don't want to have an older dosemu on any
of your machines.

Re: Distributions questions

[Cristi Mitrana]

On 9/19/05, Stas Sergeev <stsp@aknet.ru> wrote:
> Hello.
> 
> UNIREA Sannicolau Mare wrote:
> > I.e. how can we make latest version of xdosemu to work on RedHat6,
> > RedHat7 and RedHat8?
> IIRC RedHat6 and 7 has the 2.2 linux kernels.

 RedHat 7.1 had 2.4.2 right out of the box.

> Dosemu should work on those, but there may be
> a few problems, mostly with the DPMI apps.
> And apart from bugs and missing features, the
> DPMI on 2.2 was IIRC very, very slow.
> Additionally, IIRC RedHat7 had the broken gcc
> that used to miscompile dosemu, but you can use
> a binary distribution.

 They fixed that with several updates, but that's a long time ago :).
RH 7.0 was the culprit.

> On RedHat8 it should work almost normally, but
> the kernel upgrade is still recommended.

> > Or what older xdosemu versions work on such systems?
> Older dosemus is a darkness. Unless your tasks
> for it are really trivial and not mission-critical
> (eg you can tolerate the frequent crashes, and
> you don't afraid of a security holes), you almost
> certainly don't want to have an older dosemu on any
> of your machines.

 In my experience, debian provides a cleaner and simpler
default installation, about 200mb for a basic setup (this includes networking).
Also, 2.6 is included and also dosemu is up to date.
I have several 'old' computers with the current debian stable distro and 
they work without a hitch (without Xwindows, I have to say).
  If networking is a good option then you can install something like LTSP
(I know for a fact that some people using LTSP are running DOS apps 
via dosemu for a living :) and have a more poweful server which 
handles all the load and processing needs of the clients. All
(x)dosemu instances
cand be run over the net and the workstation clients could be as dumb as an P1.
This can assure that you can run a modern distro with all the updates
on the server
and you can upgrade in one step the application used. Depending on the number
of workstations and their distribution this could be a nice option.

hth,
-- 
mitu

REAL Re: Distributions questions

[Cristi Mitrana]

On 9/19/05, Stas Sergeev <stsp@aknet.ru> wrote:
> Hello.
> 
> UNIREA Sannicolau Mare wrote:
> > I.e. how can we make latest version of xdosemu to work on RedHat6,
> > RedHat7 and RedHat8?
> IIRC RedHat6 and 7 has the 2.2 linux kernels.

 RedHat 7.1 had 2.4.2 right out of the box

> Dosemu should work on those, but there may be
> a few problems, mostly with the DPMI apps.
> And apart from bugs and missing features, the
> DPMI on 2.2 was IIRC very, very slow.
> Additionally, IIRC RedHat7 had the broken gcc
> that used to miscompile dosemu, but you can use
> a binary distribution.

 They fixed that with several updates, but that's a long time ago :).
RH 7.0 was the culprit, but a binary distribution could be (g)libc incompatible.

> On RedHat8 it should work almost normally, but
> the kernel upgrade is still recommended.
> 
> > Or what older xdosemu versions work on such systems?
> Older dosemus is a darkness. Unless your tasks
> for it are really trivial and not mission-critical
> (eg you can tolerate the frequent crashes, and
> you don't afraid of a security holes), you almost
> certainly don't want to have an older dosemu on any
> of your machines.
> 
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> 
In my experience, debian provides a cleaner and simpler
default installation, about 200mb for a basic setup (this includes networking).
Also, 2.6 is included and also dosemu is up to date.
I have several 'old' computers with the current debian stable distro and
they work without a hitch (without Xwindows, I have to say).
 If networking is a good option then you can install something like LTSP
(I know for a fact that some people using LTSP are running DOS apps
via dosemu for a living :) and have a more poweful server which
handles all the load and processing needs of the clients. All
(x)dosemu instances
cand be run over the net and the workstation clients could be as dumb as an P1.
This can assure that you can run a modern distro with all the updates
on the server
and you can upgrade in one step the application used. Depending on the number
of workstations and their distribution this could be a nice option.

hth,

-- 
mitu

Re: Distributions questions

[Justin Zygmont]

On Mon, 19 Sep 2005, UNIREA Sannicolau Mare wrote:

> Hi!
> Our company need to install dosemu on older primitive computers, like AMD K6
> on 400MHz, problem is that we have a lot of them and not enough money to
> replace them with beter ones; so we need an older Linux distribution on
> which works the latest version of dosemu.
> I.e. how can we make latest version of xdosemu to work on RedHat6, RedHat7
> and RedHat8? Or what older xdosemu versions work on such systems?

new versions of linux will run on a system like that just fine.  I'd 
recommend installing an up to date version of linux, and the most recent 
version of dosemu.  Settling on an old version would be a bad choice in 
tis case.

Re: REAL Re: Distributions questions

[Damyan Ivanov]

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Cristi Mitrana wrote:
> In my experience, debian provides a cleaner and simpler
> default installation, about 200mb for a basic setup (this includes networking).
> Also, 2.6 is included and also dosemu is up to date.

If you call 1.2.1 up to date, that is.


dam
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Re: Distributions questions

[Uwe Feldtmann]

Do you know what the packages are called for Debian?  
Or would I be better of compiling from source?

I am running Ubuntu 5.04 and would like to use dosemu/freedos but they
don't appear in the package list. 

Thanks in advance.


On Mon, 2005-09-19 at 20:20 +0300, Cristi Mitrana wrote:
> On 9/19/05, Stas Sergeev <stsp@aknet.ru> wrote:
> > Hello.
> > 
> > UNIREA Sannicolau Mare wrote:
> > > I.e. how can we make latest version of xdosemu to work on RedHat6,
> > > RedHat7 and RedHat8?
> > IIRC RedHat6 and 7 has the 2.2 linux kernels.
> 
>  RedHat 7.1 had 2.4.2 right out of the box.
> 
> > Dosemu should work on those, but there may be
> > a few problems, mostly with the DPMI apps.
> > And apart from bugs and missing features, the
> > DPMI on 2.2 was IIRC very, very slow.
> > Additionally, IIRC RedHat7 had the broken gcc
> > that used to miscompile dosemu, but you can use
> > a binary distribution.
> 
>  They fixed that with several updates, but that's a long time ago :).
> RH 7.0 was the culprit.
> 
> > On RedHat8 it should work almost normally, but
> > the kernel upgrade is still recommended.
> 
> > > Or what older xdosemu versions work on such systems?
> > Older dosemus is a darkness. Unless your tasks
> > for it are really trivial and not mission-critical
> > (eg you can tolerate the frequent crashes, and
> > you don't afraid of a security holes), you almost
> > certainly don't want to have an older dosemu on any
> > of your machines.
> 
>  In my experience, debian provides a cleaner and simpler
> default installation, about 200mb for a basic setup (this includes networking).
> Also, 2.6 is included and also dosemu is up to date.
> I have several 'old' computers with the current debian stable distro and 
> they work without a hitch (without Xwindows, I have to say).
>   If networking is a good option then you can install something like LTSP
> (I know for a fact that some people using LTSP are running DOS apps 
> via dosemu for a living :) and have a more poweful server which 
> handles all the load and processing needs of the clients. All
> (x)dosemu instances
> cand be run over the net and the workstation clients could be as dumb as an P1.
> This can assure that you can run a modern distro with all the updates
> on the server
> and you can upgrade in one step the application used. Depending on the number
> of workstations and their distribution this could be a nice option.
> 
> hth,

Re: Distributions questions

[Damyan Ivanov]

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Uwe Feldtmann wrote:
> Do you know what the packages are called for Debian?  

"dosemu", as expected.

http://packages.debian.org/dosemu

> Or would I be better of compiling from source?

If you want the latest 1.3, compiling from source is your only choise
(on Debian).


dam
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