Anyone using the new aout support?

Anyone using the new aout support?

[walt]

I just built grub2 from cvs to try all of Bean's wonderful work
with BSD/UFS and aout.  I added no patches, and built on linux.

Everything seems to work very well indeed, except that the 'aout'
command is still not available to me at the grub2 shell prompt.
It just doesn't appear on the list of available commands when I
hit 'tab'.

Grub2 is very close to being ready for prime time on pc/x86, so
I'd like to find and fix this one little problem before I start
using it as my real boot program.

Can anyone confirm my result using plain vanilla grub2 from cvs?

Re: Anyone using the new aout support?

[Pavel Roskin]

Quoting walt <wa1ter@myrealbox.com>:

> I just built grub2 from cvs to try all of Bean's wonderful work
> with BSD/UFS and aout.  I added no patches, and built on linux.
>
> Everything seems to work very well indeed, except that the 'aout'
> command is still not available to me at the grub2 shell prompt.
> It just doesn't appear on the list of available commands when I
> hit 'tab'.

But you should have "freebsd", "netbsd" and "openbsd".  Try one of them.

-- 
Regards,
Pavel Roskin

Re: Anyone using the new aout support?

[Bean]

On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 8:29 AM, walt <wa1ter@myrealbox.com> wrote:
> I just built grub2 from cvs to try all of Bean's wonderful work
>  with BSD/UFS and aout.  I added no patches, and built on linux.
>
>  Everything seems to work very well indeed, except that the 'aout'
>  command is still not available to me at the grub2 shell prompt.
>  It just doesn't appear on the list of available commands when I
>  hit 'tab'.
>
>  Grub2 is very close to being ready for prime time on pc/x86, so
>  I'd like to find and fix this one little problem before I start
>  using it as my real boot program.
>
>  Can anyone confirm my result using plain vanilla grub2 from cvs?

Unlike the first version, aout is not a standalone command now, it's
just some helper function used by the bsd and multiboot module.

-- 
Bean

Re: Anyone using the new aout support?

[walt]

Bean wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 8:29 AM, walt<wa1ter@myrealbox.com>  wrote:
>> I just built grub2 from cvs to try all of Bean's wonderful work
>>   with BSD/UFS and aout.  I added no patches, and built on linux.
>>
>>   Everything seems to work very well indeed, except that the 'aout'
>>   command is still not available to me at the grub2 shell prompt.
>> ...


> Unlike the first version, aout is not a standalone command now, it's
> just some helper function used by the bsd and multiboot module.

Yes, thanks!  I can use 'freebsd /boot/loader' now, and also the more
modern 'freebsd /boot/kernel/kernel' to load the kernel directly.

Most excellent work, Bean, and thanks again.

Re: Anyone using the new aout support?

[Robert Millan]

On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 05:44:28PM -0800, walt wrote:
> Bean wrote:
> >On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 8:29 AM, walt<wa1ter@myrealbox.com>  wrote:
> >>I just built grub2 from cvs to try all of Bean's wonderful work
> >>  with BSD/UFS and aout.  I added no patches, and built on linux.
> >>
> >>  Everything seems to work very well indeed, except that the 'aout'
> >>  command is still not available to me at the grub2 shell prompt.
> >>...
> 
> 
> >Unlike the first version, aout is not a standalone command now, it's
> >just some helper function used by the bsd and multiboot module.
> 
> Yes, thanks!  I can use 'freebsd /boot/loader' now, and also the more
> modern 'freebsd /boot/kernel/kernel' to load the kernel directly.
> 
> Most excellent work, Bean, and thanks again.

Btw, if you feel like it, you could write the missing add-on script so that
update-grub works (i.e. like 10_linux, 10_hurd, etc).

-- 
Robert Millan

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Re: Anyone using the new aout support?

[walt]

Robert Millan wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 05:44:28PM -0800, walt wrote:
>> Bean wrote:
>>> On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 8:29 AM, walt<wa1ter@myrealbox.com>   wrote:
>>>> I just built grub2 from cvs to try all of Bean's wonderful work
>>>>   with BSD/UFS and aout.  I added no patches, and built on linux.
>>>>
>>>>   Everything seems to work very well indeed, except that the 'aout'
>>>>   command is still not available to me at the grub2 shell prompt.
>>>> ...
>>
>>> Unlike the first version, aout is not a standalone command now, it's
>>> just some helper function used by the bsd and multiboot module.
>> Yes, thanks!  I can use 'freebsd /boot/loader' now, and also the more
>> modern 'freebsd /boot/kernel/kernel' to load the kernel directly.
>>
>> Most excellent work, Bean, and thanks again.
>
> Btw, if you feel like it, you could write the missing add-on script so that
> update-grub works (i.e. like 10_linux, 10_hurd, etc).

Hm.  Bean hasn't replied, so maybe you were talking to me?  I'm not
opposed to trying, but I don't know what update-grub is designed to do.
Remember, I've never actually installed grub2 to a disk or even attempted
it, so I know nothing about the grub2 infrastructure.  I just boot grub2
from grub1 and admire the result :o)

Re: Anyone using the new aout support?

[Bean]

On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 8:15 AM, walt <wa1ter@myrealbox.com> wrote:
> Robert Millan wrote:
>  > On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 05:44:28PM -0800, walt wrote:
>  >> Bean wrote:
>  >>> On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 8:29 AM, walt<wa1ter@myrealbox.com>   wrote:
>  >>>> I just built grub2 from cvs to try all of Bean's wonderful work
>  >>>>   with BSD/UFS and aout.  I added no patches, and built on linux.
>  >>>>
>  >>>>   Everything seems to work very well indeed, except that the 'aout'
>  >>>>   command is still not available to me at the grub2 shell prompt.
>  >>>> ...
>  >>
>  >>> Unlike the first version, aout is not a standalone command now, it's
>  >>> just some helper function used by the bsd and multiboot module.
>  >> Yes, thanks!  I can use 'freebsd /boot/loader' now, and also the more
>  >> modern 'freebsd /boot/kernel/kernel' to load the kernel directly.
>  >>
>  >> Most excellent work, Bean, and thanks again.
>  >
>  > Btw, if you feel like it, you could write the missing add-on script so that
>  > update-grub works (i.e. like 10_linux, 10_hurd, etc).
>
>  Hm.  Bean hasn't replied, so maybe you were talking to me?  I'm not
>  opposed to trying, but I don't know what update-grub is designed to do.
>  Remember, I've never actually installed grub2 to a disk or even attempted
>  it, so I know nothing about the grub2 infrastructure.  I just boot grub2
>  from grub1 and admire the result :o)

10_xxx are scripts that output menuentry for a specific os. For
example, for 10_freebsd, you first check for boot files like
/boot/loader and /boot/kernel/kernel, if they exist, then the system
could be freebsd. Then, you output the menuentry to load this os. You
can check 10_linux to see how to write it.

-- 
Bean

Re: Anyone using the new aout support?

[Robert Millan]

On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 04:15:32PM -0800, walt wrote:
> Robert Millan wrote:
> >On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 05:44:28PM -0800, walt wrote:
> >>Bean wrote:
> >>>On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 8:29 AM, walt<wa1ter@myrealbox.com>   wrote:
> >>>>I just built grub2 from cvs to try all of Bean's wonderful work
> >>>>  with BSD/UFS and aout.  I added no patches, and built on linux.
> >>>>
> >>>>  Everything seems to work very well indeed, except that the 'aout'
> >>>>  command is still not available to me at the grub2 shell prompt.
> >>>>...
> >>
> >>>Unlike the first version, aout is not a standalone command now, it's
> >>>just some helper function used by the bsd and multiboot module.
> >>Yes, thanks!  I can use 'freebsd /boot/loader' now, and also the more
> >>modern 'freebsd /boot/kernel/kernel' to load the kernel directly.
> >>
> >>Most excellent work, Bean, and thanks again.
> >
> >Btw, if you feel like it, you could write the missing add-on script so that
> >update-grub works (i.e. like 10_linux, 10_hurd, etc).
> 
> Hm.  Bean hasn't replied, so maybe you were talking to me?

I was, but anyone is welcome to implement it.

> I'm not
> opposed to trying, but I don't know what update-grub is designed to do.
> Remember, I've never actually installed grub2 to a disk or even attempted
> it, so I know nothing about the grub2 infrastructure.  I just boot grub2
> from grub1 and admire the result :o)

Try installing it to disk then.

-- 
Robert Millan

<GPLv2> I know my rights; I want my phone call!
<DRM> What use is a phone call… if you are unable to speak?
(as seen on /.)

Re: Anyone using the new aout support?

[Robert Millan]

On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 02:19:41PM +0800, Bean wrote:
> 
> 10_xxx are scripts that output menuentry for a specific os. For
> example, for 10_freebsd, you first check for boot files like
> /boot/loader and /boot/kernel/kernel, if they exist, then the system
> could be freebsd. Then, you output the menuentry to load this os. You
> can check 10_linux to see how to write it.

You provided the mechanism to boot either /boot/loader or /boot/kernel/kernel,
which do you think is more suitable for 10_freebsd to pick as default?

-- 
Robert Millan

<GPLv2> I know my rights; I want my phone call!
<DRM> What use is a phone call… if you are unable to speak?
(as seen on /.)

Re: Anyone using the new aout support?

[Bean]

On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 6:25 PM, Robert Millan <rmh@aybabtu.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 02:19:41PM +0800, Bean wrote:
>  >
>  > 10_xxx are scripts that output menuentry for a specific os. For
>  > example, for 10_freebsd, you first check for boot files like
>  > /boot/loader and /boot/kernel/kernel, if they exist, then the system
>  > could be freebsd. Then, you output the menuentry to load this os. You
>  > can check 10_linux to see how to write it.
>
>  You provided the mechanism to boot either /boot/loader or /boot/kernel/kernel,
>  which do you think is more suitable for 10_freebsd to pick as default?

/boot/loader is better, because it allows boot time configuration
using /boot/loader.conf.

-- 
Bean