Linux 2.4.16

Linux 2.4.16

[Marcelo Tosatti]

Hi, 

Due to the corruption problems on 2.4.15, I'm releasing 2.4.16.


Changelog: 

final:

- Fix 8139too oops				(Philipp Matthias Hahn)

pre1:
- Correctly sync inodes in iput()                          (Alexander Viro)
- Make pagecache readahead size tunable via /proc          (was in -ac tree)
- Fix PPC kernel compilation problems                      (Paul Mackerras)

Firewire hotplug

[Samuel Maftoul]

I have some Firewire disk at work, and need to integrate this to the
standart local distribution ( Some scientist come in the institute I'm
working in , do their experiences, and must retrieve about 50Gigs, fast
,easly ... back to their home institute).

I would like to know the actual Firewire, Hotplug ... status.

Can someone help me with it ? Give me some pointers ?
        Sam

Re: Firewire hotplug

[William Stearns]

Good day, Samuel,

On Mon, 26 Nov 2001, Samuel Maftoul wrote:

> I have some Firewire disk at work, and need to integrate this to the
> standart local distribution ( Some scientist come in the institute I'm
> working in , do their experiences, and must retrieve about 50Gigs, fast
> ,easly ... back to their home institute).
> 
> I would like to know the actual Firewire, Hotplug ... status.
> 
> Can someone help me with it ? Give me some pointers ?

	http://sourceforge.net/projects/linux1394
	Cheers,
	- Bill

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Re: Linux 2.4.16

[Dominik Kubla]

On Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 10:30:08AM -0200, Marcelo Tosatti wrote:
> 
> Hi, 
> 
> Due to the corruption problems on 2.4.15, I'm releasing 2.4.16.
> 

Excellent!

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Re: Linux 2.4.16

[Anuradha Ratnaweera]

On Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 10:30:08AM -0200, Marcelo Tosatti wrote:
> 
> final:
> - Fix 8139too oops				(Philipp Matthias Hahn)

Won't that be a good idea to keep the -final the same as the last -pre?

Cheers,

Anuradha

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Re: Linux 2.4.16

[Jeff Garzik]

Anuradha Ratnaweera wrote:
> 
> On Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 10:30:08AM -0200, Marcelo Tosatti wrote:
> >
> > final:
> > - Fix 8139too oops                            (Philipp Matthias Hahn)
> 
> Won't that be a good idea to keep the -final the same as the last -pre?

No.  There is absolutely no reason not to fix this oops.

	Jeff


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Re: Linux 2.4.16

[Anuradha Ratnaweera]

On Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 09:44:04PM -0500, Jeff Garzik wrote:
> Anuradha Ratnaweera wrote:
> > 
> > On Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 10:30:08AM -0200, Marcelo Tosatti wrote:
> > >
> > > final:
> > > - Fix 8139too oops                            (Philipp Matthias Hahn)
> > 
> > Won't that be a good idea to keep the -final the same as the last -pre?
> 
> No.  There is absolutely no reason not to fix this oops.

I wasn't refering to 8139 driver, but the kernel release policy.

Well, there was another thread on LKML which discusses this issue in detail.

Cheers,

Anuradha

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Re: Linux 2.4.16

[Helge Hafting]

Anuradha Ratnaweera wrote:
> 
> On Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 09:44:04PM -0500, Jeff Garzik wrote:
> > Anuradha Ratnaweera wrote:
> > >
> > > On Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 10:30:08AM -0200, Marcelo Tosatti wrote:
> > > >
> > > > final:
> > > > - Fix 8139too oops                            (Philipp Matthias Hahn)
> > >
> > > Won't that be a good idea to keep the -final the same as the last -pre?
> >
> > No.  There is absolutely no reason not to fix this oops.
> 
> I wasn't refering to 8139 driver, but the kernel release policy.

A "policy" is a simplification that isn't needed.

This fix could trivially be proved not to make things worse, so
no reason at all to omit it.  Policies, rules-of-thumb etc.
is for management and others without detail knowledge.
Those who know better shouldn't be limited by such rules.
And they aren't. :-)

Of course it is possible to write down a detailed policy
that even expert coders could agree to - but why bother?
You wouldn't get it into a few lines...

Helge Hafting

Re: Linux 2.4.16

[Rik van Riel]

On Tue, 27 Nov 2001, Anuradha Ratnaweera wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 10:30:08AM -0200, Marcelo Tosatti wrote:
> >
> > final:
> > - Fix 8139too oops				(Philipp Matthias Hahn)
>
> Won't that be a good idea to keep the -final the same as the last -pre?

That's basically what happened. This 8139too fix is
ONE LINE, in a self-contained piece of code.

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Re: Linux 2.4.16

[Anuradha Ratnaweera]

On Tue, Nov 27, 2001 at 05:51:59AM -0200, Rik van Riel wrote:
> On Tue, 27 Nov 2001, Anuradha Ratnaweera wrote:
> > On Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 10:30:08AM -0200, Marcelo Tosatti wrote:
> > >
> > > final:
> > > - Fix 8139too oops				(Philipp Matthias Hahn)
> >
> > Won't that be a good idea to keep the -final the same as the last -pre?
> 
> That's basically what happened. This 8139too fix is
> ONE LINE, in a self-contained piece of code.

It is still not okey to include even _small_ changes, because it is hard to
define what small is.  Although we are sure that is is going to break,
Murphey's laws may get in ...;)

So better have a _policy_ of not doing so.

Cheers,

Anuradha

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Re: Linux 2.4.16

[H. Peter Anvin]

Followup to:  <20011127135847.A22859@bee.lk>
By author:    Anuradha Ratnaweera <anuradha@gnu.org>
In newsgroup: linux.dev.kernel
> 
> It is still not okey to include even _small_ changes, because it is hard to
> define what small is.  Although we are sure that is is going to break,
> Murphey's laws may get in ...;)
> 
> So better have a _policy_ of not doing so.
> 

Sorry, but you have just crossed the line of what is reasonable to
demand of other people.  If you don't trust the maintainers and want
to maintain such a policy, fork the kernel and start maintaining it
yourself.

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Re: Linux 2.4.16

[Andreas Jaeger]

Anuradha Ratnaweera <anuradha@gnu.org> writes:

> On Tue, Nov 27, 2001 at 05:51:59AM -0200, Rik van Riel wrote:
>> On Tue, 27 Nov 2001, Anuradha Ratnaweera wrote:
>> > On Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 10:30:08AM -0200, Marcelo Tosatti wrote:
>> > >
>> > > final:
>> > > - Fix 8139too oops				(Philipp Matthias Hahn)
>> >
>> > Won't that be a good idea to keep the -final the same as the last -pre?
>> 
>> That's basically what happened. This 8139too fix is
>> ONE LINE, in a self-contained piece of code.
>
> It is still not okey to include even _small_ changes, because it is hard to
> define what small is.  Although we are sure that is is going to break,
> Murphey's laws may get in ...;)

It's Marcelo deciding what it's ok and what not.  He's the one
responsible for it.  If you like to give him a friendly advise - fine
with me but I don't think you've got the right to *define* what's ok
and what not for Marcelo.

I've got the impression from these threads about maintaince on lkml
that a number of people try to force something on Marcelo without
giving him a chance to find his own way of doing it.  I trust Marcelo
that he'll do the right thing.

Could we get back to coding and testing?

Andreas

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Re: Linux 2.4.16

[Anuradha Ratnaweera]

On Tue, Nov 27, 2001 at 09:26:20AM +0100, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
> Anuradha Ratnaweera <anuradha@gnu.org> writes:
>
> > It is still not okey to include even _small_ changes, because it is hard to
> > define what small is.  Although we are sure that is is going to break,
> > Murphey's laws may get in ...;)
> 
> It's Marcelo deciding what it's ok and what not.

I wrote about what is ok to _me_...;)  There is no such thing called an
absolute "ok".

> I've got the impression from these threads about maintaince on lkml that a
> number of people try to force something on Marcelo without giving him a
> chance to find his own way of doing it.  I trust Marcelo that he'll do the
> right thing.

So do I, and probably many others who have posted on this topic.

Cheers,

Anuradha

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Re: Linux 2.4.16

[Alan Cox]

> > final:
> > - Fix 8139too oops				(Philipp Matthias Hahn)
> 
> Won't that be a good idea to keep the -final the same as the last -pre?

When the patch is totally obvious and there is a need to get a release out -
not really.

Re: Linux 2.4.16

[Marcelo Tosatti]

On Tue, 27 Nov 2001, Anuradha Ratnaweera wrote:

> On Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 10:30:08AM -0200, Marcelo Tosatti wrote:
> > 
> > final:
> > - Fix 8139too oops				(Philipp Matthias Hahn)
> 
> Won't that be a good idea to keep the -final the same as the last -pre?

I don't see why: the 8139 fix has been tested and it _fixes_ and oops: Its
not an enhancement. 

Re: Linux 2.4.16

[Anuradha Ratnaweera]

On Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 11:38:23AM -0200, Marcelo Tosatti wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 27 Nov 2001, Anuradha Ratnaweera wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 10:30:08AM -0200, Marcelo Tosatti wrote:
> > > 
> > > final:
> > > - Fix 8139too oops				(Philipp Matthias Hahn)
> > 
> > Won't that be a good idea to keep the -final the same as the last -pre?
> 
> I don't see why: the 8139 fix has been tested and it _fixes_ and oops: Its
> not an enhancement. 

Seen, believed and agreed (who cares if I don't ...;))

Thanks for all who replied to my postings on this issue on and off the list.

Some of my postings may not have meant what I really wanted to mean, but those
were my humble openion towards a more stable (huh, to increase the value of
infinity ...;)) kernel. Just few cents, though.

Cheers,

Anruadha

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Re: Linux 2.4.16

[Rik van Riel]

On Thu, 29 Nov 2001, Anuradha Ratnaweera wrote:

> Just few cents, though.

If everybody contributing their few cents would pay up,
we kernel hackers would be rich by now ;)

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Re: Linux 2.4.16

[Mike Fedyk]

On Thu, Nov 29, 2001 at 01:08:02AM -0200, Rik van Riel wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Nov 2001, Anuradha Ratnaweera wrote:
> 
> > Just few cents, though.
> 
> If everybody contributing their few cents would pay up,
> we kernel hackers would be rich by now ;)
> 
> Rik

Hey, there's always paypal ;)

Re: Linux 2.4.16

[Horst von Brand]

Rik van Riel <riel@conectiva.com.br> said:
> On Thu, 29 Nov 2001, Anuradha Ratnaweera wrote:
> 
> > Just few cents, though.
> 
> If everybody contributing their few cents would pay up,
> we kernel hackers would be rich by now ;)

I doubt it. There are way too many of them around for this to work out ;->
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Re: Linux 2.4.16

[Rik van Riel]

On Thu, 29 Nov 2001, Horst von Brand wrote:
> Rik van Riel <riel@conectiva.com.br> said:
> > On Thu, 29 Nov 2001, Anuradha Ratnaweera wrote:
> >
> > > Just few cents, though.
> >
> > If everybody contributing their few cents would pay up,
> > we kernel hackers would be rich by now ;)
>
> I doubt it. There are way too many of them around for this to work out ;->

Yeah, but look at the opinion vs. contribution ratio ;)

Rik
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