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From: Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>
To: "Paul McKenney" <Paul.McKenney@us.ibm.com>
Cc: ak@suse.de, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	lse-tech@lists.sourceforge.net, nigel@nrg.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH for 2.5] preemptible kernel
Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 05:59:49 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m14lysQ-001PHqC@mozart> (raw)
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 06 Apr 2001 18:25:36 MST." <OF37B0793C.6B15F182-ON88256A27.0007C3EF@LocalDomain>

In message <OF37B0793C.6B15F182-ON88256A27.0007C3EF@LocalDomain> you write:
> > Priority inversion is not handled in Linux kernel ATM BTW, there
> > are already situations where a realtime task can cause a deadlock
> > with some lower priority system thread (I believe there is at least
> > one case of this known with realtime ntpd on 2.4)
> 
> I see your point here, but need to think about it.  One question:
> isn't it the case that the alternative to using synchronize_kernel()
> is to protect the read side with explicit locks, which will themselves
> suppress preemption?  If so, why not just suppress preemption on the read
> side in preemptible kernels, and thus gain the simpler implementation
> of synchronize_kernel()?  You are not losing any preemption latency
> compared to a kernel that uses traditional locks, in fact, you should
> improve latency a bit since the lock operations are more expensive than
> are simple increments and decrements.  As usual, what am I missing
> here?  ;-)

Already preempted tasks.

> Another approach would be to define a "really low" priority that noone
> other than synchronize_kernel() was allowed to use.  Then the UP
> implementation of synchronize_kernel() could drop its priority to
> this level, yield the CPU, and know that all preempted tasks must
> have obtained and voluntarily yielded the CPU before synchronize_kernel()
> gets it back again.

Or "never", because I'm running RC5 etc. 8(.

Rusty.
--
Premature optmztion is rt of all evl. --DK

  reply	other threads:[~2001-04-07 20:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-04-07  1:25 [PATCH for 2.5] preemptible kernel Paul McKenney
2001-04-07 19:59 ` Rusty Russell [this message]
2001-04-07 21:25 ` [Lse-tech] " Andi Kleen
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-04-06 23:52 Paul McKenney
2001-04-07  0:45 ` Andi Kleen
2001-03-15  1:25 Nigel Gamble
2001-03-17 17:34 ` Pavel Machek
2001-03-19 21:01   ` Nigel Gamble
2001-03-20  8:43 ` Rusty Russell
2001-03-20  9:32   ` Keith Owens
2001-03-21  0:48     ` Nigel Gamble
2001-03-21  1:23       ` Keith Owens
2001-03-21  3:35         ` Nigel Gamble
2001-03-21  8:04           ` george anzinger
2001-03-21  9:04             ` Keith Owens
2001-03-21 14:32             ` Rusty Russell
2001-03-23 20:42               ` Nigel Gamble
2001-03-28 11:47             ` Dipankar Sarma
2001-03-21  9:19           ` Keith Owens
2001-03-21  9:41             ` David S. Miller
2001-03-21 10:05               ` Andrew Morton
2001-03-22  0:20                 ` Nigel Gamble
2001-03-21 10:57               ` george anzinger
2001-03-21 11:30                 ` David S. Miller
2001-03-21 17:07                   ` george anzinger
2001-03-21 18:18               ` Nigel Gamble
2001-03-21 22:25               ` Rusty Russell
2001-03-21 15:46             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-03-28 10:20           ` Dipankar Sarma
2001-03-28 20:51             ` george anzinger
2001-03-29  9:43               ` Dipankar Sarma
2001-03-30  6:32               ` Keith Owens
2001-03-21  0:24   ` Nigel Gamble
2001-03-30  0:26     ` Nigel Gamble
2001-03-30 20:11       ` Rusty Russell
2001-04-01  7:48         ` george anzinger
2001-04-01 21:13           ` Nigel Gamble
2001-04-02 19:56             ` george anzinger
2001-04-04 17:59               ` Rusty Russell
2001-04-01 21:07         ` Nigel Gamble
2001-04-04 17:51           ` Rusty Russell
2001-03-20 18:25 ` Roger Larsson
2001-03-20 22:06   ` Nigel Gamble
2001-03-20 22:27     ` george anzinger

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