From: ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman)
To: Anton Blanchard <anton@samba.org>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@digeo.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: 2.5.68-mm4
Date: 03 May 2003 08:12:11 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <m1el3gce6c.fsf@frodo.biederman.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20030502153525.GA11939@krispykreme>
Anton Blanchard <anton@samba.org> writes:
> Hi,
>
> > . Included the `kexec' patch - load Linux from Linux. Various people want
> > this for various reasons. I like the idea of going from a login prompt to
> > "Calibrating delay loop" in 0.5 seconds.
>
> One thing that bothers me about kexec is how we grab low pages in
> kimage_alloc_page(). On a partitioned ppc64 box I will need to grab
> memory in the low 256MB and the machine might have 500GB of memory
> free. Thats going to take some time :)
Could you explain to me the need to allocate memory in the low 256MB.
Generally the design is that you can allocate the memory anywhere
and then relocate_kernel.S will move where it needs to be kept.
I have had people wanting to use 300MB initial ramdisks and the like.
If you have 500GB of memory what is the point of keeping anything on a disk?
When you have 4TB on a cluster or a NUMA machine I can understand
wanting to keep things local to a node. But in those cases you want
to have local node zones so the problem does not come up.
In general I hate restricting the memory you can use, because kexec is
not just about booting linux. But it is about booting anything that
we reasonably can. The only case I have seen so far that makes sense
is when your physical memory is larger than your virtual memory.
> Id hate to introduce a separate zone just for this sort of stuff (we
> currently throw all memory in the DMA zone). Could we add a hint to
> the page allocator where it makes a best effort to grab memory below
> a threshold?
I suspect so. And I can't imagine it would be that hard to implement.
But I think I would like to see why you need that.
Eric
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From: ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman)
To: Anton Blanchard <anton@samba.org>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@digeo.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: 2.5.68-mm4
Date: 03 May 2003 08:12:11 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <m1el3gce6c.fsf@frodo.biederman.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20030502153525.GA11939@krispykreme>
Anton Blanchard <anton@samba.org> writes:
> Hi,
>
> > . Included the `kexec' patch - load Linux from Linux. Various people want
> > this for various reasons. I like the idea of going from a login prompt to
> > "Calibrating delay loop" in 0.5 seconds.
>
> One thing that bothers me about kexec is how we grab low pages in
> kimage_alloc_page(). On a partitioned ppc64 box I will need to grab
> memory in the low 256MB and the machine might have 500GB of memory
> free. Thats going to take some time :)
Could you explain to me the need to allocate memory in the low 256MB.
Generally the design is that you can allocate the memory anywhere
and then relocate_kernel.S will move where it needs to be kept.
I have had people wanting to use 300MB initial ramdisks and the like.
If you have 500GB of memory what is the point of keeping anything on a disk?
When you have 4TB on a cluster or a NUMA machine I can understand
wanting to keep things local to a node. But in those cases you want
to have local node zones so the problem does not come up.
In general I hate restricting the memory you can use, because kexec is
not just about booting linux. But it is about booting anything that
we reasonably can. The only case I have seen so far that makes sense
is when your physical memory is larger than your virtual memory.
> Id hate to introduce a separate zone just for this sort of stuff (we
> currently throw all memory in the DMA zone). Could we add a hint to
> the page allocator where it makes a best effort to grab memory below
> a threshold?
I suspect so. And I can't imagine it would be that hard to implement.
But I think I would like to see why you need that.
Eric
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Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2003-05-02 9:01 2.5.68-mm4 Andrew Morton
2003-05-02 9:01 ` 2.5.68-mm4 Andrew Morton
2003-05-02 13:18 ` 2.5.68-mm4 William Lee Irwin III
2003-05-02 13:18 ` 2.5.68-mm4 William Lee Irwin III
2003-05-02 16:47 ` 2.5.68-mm4 Dave Hansen
2003-05-02 16:47 ` 2.5.68-mm4 Dave Hansen
2003-05-02 14:45 ` 2.5.68-mm4 Steven Cole
2003-05-02 14:45 ` 2.5.68-mm4 Steven Cole
2003-05-02 15:00 ` 2.5.68-mm4 Steven Cole
2003-05-02 15:00 ` 2.5.68-mm4 Steven Cole
2003-05-02 15:35 ` 2.5.68-mm4 Anton Blanchard
2003-05-02 15:35 ` 2.5.68-mm4 Anton Blanchard
2003-05-02 21:12 ` 2.5.68-mm4 Andrew Morton
2003-05-03 14:12 ` Eric W. Biederman [this message]
2003-05-03 14:12 ` 2.5.68-mm4 Eric W. Biederman
2003-05-02 16:54 ` 2.5.68-mm4 Martin J. Bligh
2003-05-02 20:04 ` 2.5.68-mm4 Steven Cole
2003-05-02 20:04 ` 2.5.68-mm4 Steven Cole
2003-05-02 20:34 ` 2.5.68-mm4 Andrew Morton
2003-05-02 20:34 ` 2.5.68-mm4 Andrew Morton
2003-05-02 20:49 ` 2.5.68-mm4 Steven Cole
2003-05-02 20:49 ` 2.5.68-mm4 Steven Cole
2003-05-02 21:01 ` 2.5.68-mm4 Steven Cole
2003-05-02 21:01 ` 2.5.68-mm4 Steven Cole
2003-05-02 21:05 ` 2.5.68-mm4 Andrew Morton
2003-05-02 21:05 ` 2.5.68-mm4 Andrew Morton
2003-05-02 21:20 ` 2.5.68-mm4 Steven Cole
2003-05-02 21:20 ` 2.5.68-mm4 Steven Cole
2003-05-02 21:49 ` 2.5.68-mm4 Andy Pfiffer
2003-05-02 21:49 ` 2.5.68-mm4 Andy Pfiffer
2003-05-02 22:00 ` 2.5.68-mm4 Steven Cole
2003-05-02 22:00 ` 2.5.68-mm4 Steven Cole
2003-05-02 23:22 ` 2.5.68-mm4 Matt Bernstein
2003-05-02 23:22 ` 2.5.68-mm4 Matt Bernstein
2003-05-02 23:41 ` 2.5.68-mm4 Andrew Morton
2003-05-02 23:41 ` 2.5.68-mm4 Andrew Morton
2003-05-03 2:53 ` 2.5.68-mm4 Andi Kleen
2003-05-03 2:53 ` 2.5.68-mm4 Andi Kleen
2003-05-03 7:08 ` 2.5.68-mm4 Matt Bernstein
2003-05-03 7:08 ` 2.5.68-mm4 Matt Bernstein
2003-05-06 14:15 ` 2.5.68-mm4 Matt Bernstein
2003-05-06 14:35 ` 2.5.68-mm4 Andi Kleen
2003-05-06 14:35 ` 2.5.68-mm4 Andi Kleen
2003-05-06 15:50 ` 2.5.68-mm4 Matt Bernstein
2003-05-06 15:50 ` 2.5.68-mm4 Matt Bernstein
2003-05-07 10:27 ` 2.5.68-mm4 Matt Bernstein
2003-05-07 10:27 ` 2.5.68-mm4 Matt Bernstein
2003-05-07 12:35 ` 2.5.68-mm4 Andi Kleen
2003-05-07 12:35 ` 2.5.68-mm4 Andi Kleen
2003-05-07 15:45 ` 2.5.68-mm4 Matt Bernstein
2003-05-07 15:45 ` 2.5.68-mm4 Matt Bernstein
2003-05-03 3:14 ` 2.5.68-mm4 Andi Kleen
2003-05-03 3:14 ` 2.5.68-mm4 Andi Kleen
2003-05-03 13:51 ` 2.5.68-mm4 Diego Calleja García
2003-05-03 1:14 ` 2.5.68-mm4 Herbert Xu
2003-05-05 3:46 ` 2.5.68-mm4 && kexec Eric W. Biederman
2003-05-05 3:46 ` Eric W. Biederman
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2003-05-02 19:58 2.5.68-mm4 J. Hidding
2003-05-03 11:52 2.5.68-mm4 cb-lkml
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