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From: ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman)
To: Davide Libenzi <davidel@xmailserver.org>
Cc: Al Viro <viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-pci@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, Hugh Dickins <hugh@veritas.com>,
	Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>, Alexey Dobriyan <adobriyan@gmail.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@suse.de>,
	Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@aristanetworks.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 18/23] vfs: Teach epoll to use file_hotplug_lock
Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 13:53:48 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m1tz2xox7n.fsf@fess.ebiederm.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.1.10.0906030754550.17143@makko.or.mcafeemobile.com> (Davide Libenzi's message of "Wed\, 3 Jun 2009 07\:57\:40 -0700 \(PDT\)")

Davide Libenzi <davidel@xmailserver.org> writes:

> On Tue, 2 Jun 2009, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
>
>> I am not clear what problem you have.
>> 
>> Is it the sprinkling the code that takes and removes the lock?  Just
>> the VFS needs to be involved with that.  It is a slightly larger
>> surface area than doing the work inside the file operations as we
>> sometimes call the same method from 3-4 different places but it is
>> definitely a bounded problem.
>> 
>> Is it putting in the handful lines per subsystem to actually use this
>> functionality?  At that level something generic that is maintained
>> outside of the subsystem is better than the mess we have with 4-5
>> different implementations in the subsystems that need it, each having
>> a different assortment of bugs.
>
> Come on, only in the open fast path, there are at least two spin 
> lock/unlock and two atomic ops. Without even starting to count all the 
> extra branches and software added.
> Is this stuff *really* needed, or we can faitly happily live w/out?

????

What code are you talking about?

To the open path a few memory writes and a smp_wmb.  No atomics and no
spin lock/unlocks.

Are you complaining because I retain the file_list?

Eric

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From: ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman)
To: Davide Libenzi <davidel@xmailserver.org>
Cc: Al Viro <viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-pci@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, Hugh Dickins <hugh@veritas.com>,
	Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>, Alexey Dobriyan <adobriyan@gmail.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@suse.de>,
	Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@aristanetworks.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 18/23] vfs: Teach epoll to use file_hotplug_lock
Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 13:53:48 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m1tz2xox7n.fsf@fess.ebiederm.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.1.10.0906030754550.17143@makko.or.mcafeemobile.com> (Davide Libenzi's message of "Wed\, 3 Jun 2009 07\:57\:40 -0700 \(PDT\)")

Davide Libenzi <davidel@xmailserver.org> writes:

> On Tue, 2 Jun 2009, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
>
>> I am not clear what problem you have.
>> 
>> Is it the sprinkling the code that takes and removes the lock?  Just
>> the VFS needs to be involved with that.  It is a slightly larger
>> surface area than doing the work inside the file operations as we
>> sometimes call the same method from 3-4 different places but it is
>> definitely a bounded problem.
>> 
>> Is it putting in the handful lines per subsystem to actually use this
>> functionality?  At that level something generic that is maintained
>> outside of the subsystem is better than the mess we have with 4-5
>> different implementations in the subsystems that need it, each having
>> a different assortment of bugs.
>
> Come on, only in the open fast path, there are at least two spin 
> lock/unlock and two atomic ops. Without even starting to count all the 
> extra branches and software added.
> Is this stuff *really* needed, or we can faitly happily live w/out?

????

What code are you talking about?

To the open path a few memory writes and a smp_wmb.  No atomics and no
spin lock/unlocks.

Are you complaining because I retain the file_list?

Eric

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Thread overview: 207+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-04-11 12:01 [RFC][PATCH 0/9] File descriptor hot-unplug support Eric W. Biederman
2009-04-11 12:01 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-04-11 12:03 ` [RFC][PATCH 1/9] mm: Introduce remap_file_mappings Eric W. Biederman
2009-04-11 12:03   ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-04-11 12:05 ` [RFC][PATCH 2/9] mm: Implement generic support for revoking a mapping Eric W. Biederman
2009-04-11 12:05   ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-04-11 12:05   ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-04-11 12:06 ` [RFC][PATCH 3/9] sysfs: Use remap_file_mappings Eric W. Biederman
2009-04-11 12:06   ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-04-11 12:06   ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-04-11 12:07 ` [RFC][PATCH 4/9] vfs: Generalize the file_list Eric W. Biederman
2009-04-11 12:07   ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-04-11 12:07   ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-04-11 12:08 ` [RFC][PATCH 5/9] vfs: Introduce basic infrastructure for revoking a file Eric W. Biederman
2009-04-11 12:08   ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-04-11 12:08   ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-04-14 22:12   ` Jonathan Corbet
2009-04-14 22:12     ` Jonathan Corbet
2009-04-15  2:55     ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-04-15  2:55       ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-04-15  2:55       ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-04-11 12:10 ` [RFC][PATCH 6/9] vfs: Utilize fops_read_lock where appropriate Eric W. Biederman
2009-04-11 12:10   ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-04-11 12:10   ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-04-11 12:11 ` [RFC][PATCH 7/9] vfs: Optimize fops_read_lock Eric W. Biederman
2009-04-11 12:11   ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-04-11 12:11   ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-04-11 12:13 ` [RFC][PATCH 8/9] vfs: Implement generic revoked file operations Eric W. Biederman
2009-04-11 12:13   ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-04-11 12:13   ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-04-12 18:56   ` Jamie Lokier
2009-04-12 18:56     ` Jamie Lokier
2009-04-12 20:04     ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-04-12 20:04       ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-04-12 20:31       ` Jamie Lokier
2009-04-12 20:31         ` Jamie Lokier
2009-04-12 21:53         ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-04-12 21:53           ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-04-12 20:54       ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-04-12 20:54         ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-04-12 21:02         ` Jamie Lokier
2009-04-12 21:02           ` Jamie Lokier
2009-04-12 23:06           ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-04-12 23:06             ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-04-11 12:14 ` [RFC][PATCH 9/9] proc: Use the generic vfs revoke facility that now exists Eric W. Biederman
2009-04-11 12:14   ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-04-11 15:58 ` [RFC][PATCH 0/9] File descriptor hot-unplug support Al Viro
2009-04-11 15:58   ` Al Viro
2009-04-11 16:49   ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-04-11 16:49     ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-04-11 16:56     ` Al Viro
2009-04-11 16:56       ` Al Viro
2009-04-11 23:57       ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-04-11 23:57         ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-04-12 20:21       ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-04-12 20:21         ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-04-14  3:16 ` Tejun Heo
2009-04-14  3:16   ` Tejun Heo
2009-04-14  7:39   ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-04-14  7:39     ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-04-14  7:45     ` Tejun Heo
2009-04-14  7:45       ` Tejun Heo
2009-04-14  8:27       ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-04-14  8:27         ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-04-14  8:49         ` Tejun Heo
2009-04-14  8:49           ` Tejun Heo
2009-04-14 15:07         ` Jamie Lokier
2009-04-14 15:07           ` Jamie Lokier
2009-04-14 19:09           ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-04-14 19:09             ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-06-01 21:45 ` [PATCH 0/23] File descriptor hot-unplug support v2 Eric W. Biederman
2009-06-01 21:45   ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-06-01 21:50   ` [PATCH 01/23] mm: Introduce revoke_file_mappings Eric W. Biederman
2009-06-01 21:50     ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-06-01 22:25     ` Andrew Morton
2009-06-01 22:25       ` Andrew Morton
2009-06-02  0:12       ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-06-02  0:12         ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-06-01 21:50   ` [PATCH 02/23] vfs: Implement unpoll_file Eric W. Biederman
2009-06-01 21:50     ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-06-06  8:08     ` Al Viro
2009-06-06  8:08       ` Al Viro
2009-06-01 21:50   ` [PATCH 03/23] vfs: Generalize the file_list Eric W. Biederman
2009-06-01 21:50     ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-06-02  7:06     ` Nick Piggin
2009-06-02  7:06       ` Nick Piggin
2009-06-05 19:33       ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-06-05 19:33         ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-06-09 10:38         ` Nick Piggin
2009-06-09 10:38           ` Nick Piggin
2009-06-09 18:38           ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-06-09 18:38             ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-06-10  6:05             ` Nick Piggin
2009-06-10  6:05               ` Nick Piggin
2009-06-01 21:50   ` [PATCH 04/23] vfs: Introduce infrastructure for revoking a file Eric W. Biederman
2009-06-01 21:50     ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-06-02  5:16     ` Pekka Enberg
2009-06-02  5:16       ` Pekka Enberg
2009-06-02  6:51       ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-06-02  6:51         ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-06-02  7:08         ` Pekka Enberg
2009-06-02  7:08           ` Pekka Enberg
2009-06-02  7:08           ` Pekka Enberg
2009-06-02  7:14     ` Nick Piggin
2009-06-02  7:14       ` Nick Piggin
2009-06-02 17:06       ` Linus Torvalds
2009-06-02 17:06         ` Linus Torvalds
2009-06-02 20:52         ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-06-02 20:52           ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-06-03  6:37           ` Nick Piggin
2009-06-03  6:37             ` Nick Piggin
2009-06-02 22:56       ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-06-02 22:56         ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-06-03  6:38         ` Nick Piggin
2009-06-03  6:38           ` Nick Piggin
2009-06-05  9:03     ` Miklos Szeredi
2009-06-05  9:03       ` Miklos Szeredi
2009-06-05 19:06       ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-06-05 19:06         ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-06-01 21:50   ` [PATCH 05/23] vfs: Teach lseek to use file_hotplug_lock Eric W. Biederman
2009-06-01 21:50     ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-06-01 21:50   ` [PATCH 06/23] vfs: Teach read/write to use file_hotplug_read_lock Eric W. Biederman
2009-06-01 21:50     ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-06-01 21:50   ` [PATCH 07/23] vfs: Teach sendfile,splice,tee,and vmsplice to use file_hotplug_lock Eric W. Biederman
2009-06-01 21:50     ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-06-03 23:39     ` Badari Pulavarty
2009-06-03 23:39       ` Badari Pulavarty
2009-06-05 19:37       ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-06-05 19:37         ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-06-01 21:50   ` [PATCH 08/23] vfs: Teach readdir " Eric W. Biederman
2009-06-01 21:50     ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-06-01 21:50   ` [PATCH 09/23] vfs: Teach poll and select " Eric W. Biederman
2009-06-01 21:50     ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-06-01 21:50   ` [PATCH 10/23] vfs: Teach do_path_lookup " Eric W. Biederman
2009-06-01 21:50     ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-06-01 21:50   ` [PATCH 11/23] mm: Teach mmap " Eric W. Biederman
2009-06-01 21:50     ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-06-01 21:50   ` [PATCH 12/23] vfs: Teach fcntl " Eric W. Biederman
2009-06-01 21:50     ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-06-01 21:50   ` [PATCH 13/23] vfs: Teach ioctl " Eric W. Biederman
2009-06-01 21:50     ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-06-01 21:50   ` [PATCH 14/23] vfs: Teach flock " Eric W. Biederman
2009-06-01 21:50     ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-06-01 21:50   ` [PATCH 15/23] vfs: Teach fallocate, and filp_close " Eric W. Biederman
2009-06-01 21:50     ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-06-01 21:50   ` [PATCH 16/23] vfs: Teach fstatfs, fstatfs64, ftruncate, fchdir, fchmod, fchown " Eric W. Biederman
2009-06-01 21:50     ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-06-01 21:50   ` [PATCH 17/23] proc: Teach /proc/<pid>/fd " Eric W. Biederman
2009-06-01 21:50     ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-06-01 21:50   ` [PATCH 18/23] vfs: Teach epoll " Eric W. Biederman
2009-06-01 21:50     ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-06-02 16:51     ` Davide Libenzi
2009-06-02 16:51       ` Davide Libenzi
2009-06-02 21:23       ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-06-02 21:23         ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-06-02 21:52         ` Davide Libenzi
2009-06-02 21:52           ` Davide Libenzi
2009-06-02 22:51           ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-06-02 22:51             ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-06-03 14:57             ` Davide Libenzi
2009-06-03 14:57               ` Davide Libenzi
2009-06-03 20:53               ` Eric W. Biederman [this message]
2009-06-03 20:53                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-06-04  0:50                 ` Davide Libenzi
2009-06-04  0:50                   ` Davide Libenzi
2009-06-04  1:42                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-06-04  1:42                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-06-01 21:50   ` [PATCH 19/23] eventpoll: Fix comment Eric W. Biederman
2009-06-01 21:50     ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-06-01 21:50   ` [PATCH 20/23] vfs: Teach aio to use file_hotplug_lock Eric W. Biederman
2009-06-01 21:50     ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-06-01 21:50   ` [PATCH 21/23] vfs: Teach fsync " Eric W. Biederman
2009-06-01 21:50     ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-06-01 21:50   ` [PATCH 22/23] vfs: Teach fadvice to file_hotplug_lock Eric W. Biederman
2009-06-01 21:50     ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-06-01 21:50   ` [PATCH 23/23] vfs: Teach readahead to use the file_hotplug_lock Eric W. Biederman
2009-06-01 21:50     ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-06-03 23:25     ` Badari Pulavarty
2009-06-03 23:25       ` Badari Pulavarty
2009-06-06  8:03   ` [PATCH 0/23] File descriptor hot-unplug support v2 Al Viro
2009-06-06  8:03     ` Al Viro
2009-06-08  9:41     ` Miklos Szeredi
2009-06-08  9:41       ` Miklos Szeredi
2009-06-08 10:24       ` Jamie Lokier
2009-06-08 10:24         ` Jamie Lokier
2009-06-08 16:29       ` Al Viro
2009-06-08 16:29         ` Al Viro
2009-06-08 16:44         ` Miklos Szeredi
2009-06-08 16:44           ` Miklos Szeredi
2009-06-08 17:50           ` Al Viro
2009-06-08 17:50             ` Al Viro
2009-06-08 18:01             ` Linus Torvalds
2009-06-08 18:01               ` Linus Torvalds
2009-06-08 18:50               ` Al Viro
2009-06-08 18:50                 ` Al Viro
2009-06-08 19:18                 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-06-08 19:18                   ` Linus Torvalds
2009-06-09  6:42                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-06-09  6:42                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-06-09 10:52                     ` Nick Piggin
2009-06-09 10:52                       ` Nick Piggin
2009-06-09  5:50             ` Miklos Szeredi
2009-06-09  5:50               ` Miklos Szeredi
2009-06-09  6:31               ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-06-09  6:31                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-06-09  6:22     ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-06-09  6:22       ` Eric W. Biederman

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