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From: Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>
To: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>
Cc: x86@kernel.org, linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>
Subject: Re: Possible sandybridge livelock issue
Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 09:36:21 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m262pezhfe.fsf@firstfloor.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1305303156.2611.51.camel@mulgrave.site> (James Bottomley's message of "Fri, 13 May 2011 11:12:36 -0500")

James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com> writes:
>
> When the hang occurred, kswapd basically pegged one core in 100% system
> time.  This looks like there's something specific to sandybridge that
> causes this type of bad interaction.  I was wondering if it could be
> something to to with a scheduling problem in turbo mode?  Once kswapd
> goes flat out, the core its on will kick into turbo mode, which causes
> it to get preferentially scheduled there, leading to the live lock.

Sounds unlikely to me.

Turbo mode does not affect the scheduler and the cores are (reasonably) 
independent.


> The only evidence I have to support this theory is that when I reproduce
> the problem with PREEMPT, the core pegs at 100% system time and stays
> there even if I turn off the load.  However, if I can execute work that
> causes kswapd to be kicked off the core it's running on, it will calm
> back down and go to sleep.

Turbo mode just makes the CPU faster, but it should not change 
the scheduler decisions.

-Andi

-- 
ak@linux.intel.com -- Speaking for myself only

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From: Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>
To: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>
Cc: x86@kernel.org, linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>
Subject: Re: Possible sandybridge livelock issue
Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 09:36:21 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m262pezhfe.fsf@firstfloor.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1305303156.2611.51.camel@mulgrave.site> (James Bottomley's message of "Fri, 13 May 2011 11:12:36 -0500")

James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com> writes:
>
> When the hang occurred, kswapd basically pegged one core in 100% system
> time.  This looks like there's something specific to sandybridge that
> causes this type of bad interaction.  I was wondering if it could be
> something to to with a scheduling problem in turbo mode?  Once kswapd
> goes flat out, the core its on will kick into turbo mode, which causes
> it to get preferentially scheduled there, leading to the live lock.

Sounds unlikely to me.

Turbo mode does not affect the scheduler and the cores are (reasonably) 
independent.


> The only evidence I have to support this theory is that when I reproduce
> the problem with PREEMPT, the core pegs at 100% system time and stays
> there even if I turn off the load.  However, if I can execute work that
> causes kswapd to be kicked off the core it's running on, it will calm
> back down and go to sleep.

Turbo mode just makes the CPU faster, but it should not change 
the scheduler decisions.

-Andi

-- 
ak@linux.intel.com -- Speaking for myself only

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  reply	other threads:[~2011-05-13 16:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-05-13 16:12 Possible sandybridge livelock issue James Bottomley
2011-05-13 16:12 ` James Bottomley
2011-05-13 16:36 ` Andi Kleen [this message]
2011-05-13 16:36   ` Andi Kleen
2011-05-13 17:08   ` Christoph Lameter
2011-05-13 17:08     ` Christoph Lameter
2011-05-13 18:23     ` Andi Kleen
2011-05-13 18:23       ` Andi Kleen
2011-05-13 18:49       ` James Bottomley
2011-05-13 18:49         ` James Bottomley
2011-05-16  6:52         ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-16  6:52           ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-16  6:29 ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-16  6:29   ` Ingo Molnar

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