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From: Hajime Tazaki <thehajime@gmail.com>
To: benjamin@sipsolutions.net
Cc: linux-um@lists.infradead.org, ricarkol@google.com,
	Liam.Howlett@oracle.com
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v2 10/13] x86/um: nommu: signal handling
Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2024 10:38:26 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m2h67ow5bh.wl-thehajime@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87da1cab734b9d92d17210abdeddc10afd533a0f.camel@sipsolutions.net>


Hello,

On Thu, 28 Nov 2024 19:37:21 +0900,
Benjamin Berg wrote:

> > +#ifndef CONFIG_MMU
> > + memset(&r, 0, sizeof(r));
> > + /* mark is_user=1 when the IP is from userspace code. */
> > + if (mc && (REGS_IP(mc->gregs) > uml_reserved
> > +    && REGS_IP(mc->gregs) < high_physmem))
> > + r.is_user = 1;
> > + else
> > +#endif
> > + r.is_user = 0;
> 
> Does this work if we load modules dynamically?
> 
> I suppose one could map them into a separate memory area rather than
> running them directly from the physical memory.
> Otherwise we'll also get problem with the SECCOMP filter.

currently, I thought modules use the separate area from execmem, but
nommu allocator ignores this location info to map the memory; instead
mixing up with area used by userspace programs.

we may be able to come up with execmem_arch_setup() to fix this
situation.

so, no, this is_user detection doesn't work; modules also become
is_user=1.

MMU full allocator (normal UML and seccomp asl well ?) seems to be
fine as long as using execmem.

I will look into detail how we should handle.

> >   if (sig == SIGSEGV) {
> >   /* For segfaults, we want the data from the sigcontext. */
> >   get_regs_from_mc(&r, mc);
> > @@ -191,6 +199,7 @@ static void hard_handler(int sig, siginfo_t *si, void *p)
> >   ucontext_t *uc = p;
> >   mcontext_t *mc = &uc->uc_mcontext;
> >   unsigned long pending = 1UL << sig;
> > + int is_segv = 0;
> >  
> >   do {
> >   int nested, bail;
> > @@ -214,6 +223,7 @@ static void hard_handler(int sig, siginfo_t *si, void *p)
> >  
> >   while ((sig = ffs(pending)) != 0){
> >   sig--;
> > + is_segv = (sig == SIGSEGV) ? 1 : 0;
> >   pending &= ~(1 << sig);
> >   (*handlers[sig])(sig, (struct siginfo *)si, mc);
> >   }
> > @@ -227,6 +237,12 @@ static void hard_handler(int sig, siginfo_t *si, void *p)
> >   if (!nested)
> >   pending = from_irq_stack(nested);
> >   } while (pending);
> > +
> > +#ifndef CONFIG_MMU
> > + /* if there is SIGSEGV notified, let the userspace run w/ __noreturn */
> > + if (is_segv)
> > + sigsegv_post_routine();
> > +#endif
> >  }
> 
> I am confused, this doesn't feel quite correct to me.

thanks for pointing this out.  the above code, which I spot the
working example under nommu, is indeed suspicious and doesn't look a
right code.

that signal handing (this patch) is immature, and need more work to
understand existing code, nommu characteristic, etc.

> So, for normal UML, I think we always do an rt_sigreturn. Which means,
> we always go back to the corresponding *kernel* task. To schedule in
> response to SIGALRM, we forward the signal to the userspace process.
> I believe that means:
>    1. We cannot schedule kernel threads (that seems like a bug)
>    2. Scheduling for userspace happens once the signal is delivered.
>       Then userspace() saves the state and calls interrupt_end().
> 
> 
> Now, keep in mind that we are on the separate signal stack here. If we
> jump anywhere directly, we abandon the old state information stored by
> the host kernel into the mcontext. We can absolutely do that, but we
> need to be careful to not forget anything.
> 
> As such, I wonder whether nommu should:
>    1. When entering from kernel, update "current->thread.switch_buf"
>       from the mcontext.
>        - If we need to schedule, push a stack frame that calls the scheduling
>          code and returns with the correct state.
>    2. When entering from user, store the task registers from the
>       mcontext. At some point (here or earlier) ensure that the
>       "current->thread.switch_buf" is set up so that we can return to
>       userspace by restoring the task registers.
>        - To schedule, piggy back on 1. or add special code.
>    3. Always do a UML_LONGJMP() back into the "current" task.

thanks, the current code jumps in the signal handler and unblocking
signals without returning the handler (and not calling rt_sigreturn at
host either) upon SIGSEGV, which should not work as you mentioned.

I will also investigate how I can handle.

> That said, I am probably not having the full picture right now.
> 
> Benjamin
> 
> PS: On a further note, I think the current code to enter userspace
> cannot handle single stepping. I suppose that is fine, but you should
> probably set arch_has_single_step to 0 for nommu.

I did almost zero tests with ptrace(2) (inside nommu UM) and might
miss a lot of features that mmu-UM could.  will also look into that.

thanks,

-- Hajime


  reply	other threads:[~2024-12-01  1:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 131+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-10-24 12:09 [RFC PATCH 00/13] nommu UML Hajime Tazaki
2024-10-24 12:09 ` [RFC PATCH 01/13] fs: binfmt_elf_efpic: add architecture hook elf_arch_finalize_exec Hajime Tazaki
2024-10-24 12:09 ` [RFC PATCH 02/13] x86/um: nommu: elf loader for fdpic Hajime Tazaki
2024-10-25  8:56   ` Johannes Berg
2024-10-25 12:54     ` Hajime Tazaki
2024-10-24 12:09 ` [RFC PATCH 03/13] um: nommu: memory handling Hajime Tazaki
2024-10-25  9:11   ` Johannes Berg
2024-10-25 12:55     ` Hajime Tazaki
2024-10-25 15:15       ` Johannes Berg
2024-10-26  7:24         ` Hajime Tazaki
2024-10-24 12:09 ` [RFC PATCH 04/13] x86/um: nommu: syscall handling Hajime Tazaki
2024-10-25  9:14   ` Johannes Berg
2024-10-25 12:55     ` Hajime Tazaki
2024-10-24 12:09 ` [RFC PATCH 05/13] x86/um: nommu: syscall translation by zpoline Hajime Tazaki
2024-10-25  9:19   ` Johannes Berg
2024-10-25 12:58     ` Hajime Tazaki
2024-10-25 15:20       ` Johannes Berg
2024-10-26  7:36         ` Hajime Tazaki
2024-10-27  9:45           ` Johannes Berg
2024-10-28  7:47             ` Hajime Tazaki
2024-10-24 12:09 ` [RFC PATCH 06/13] x86/um: nommu: process/thread handling Hajime Tazaki
2024-10-25  9:22   ` Johannes Berg
2024-10-25 12:58     ` Hajime Tazaki
2024-10-24 12:09 ` [RFC PATCH 07/13] um: nommu: configure fs register on host syscall invocation Hajime Tazaki
2024-10-25  9:28   ` Johannes Berg
2024-10-25 13:27     ` Hajime Tazaki
2024-10-25 15:22       ` Johannes Berg
2024-10-26  7:34         ` Hajime Tazaki
2024-10-24 12:09 ` [RFC PATCH 08/13] x86/um/vdso: nommu: vdso memory update Hajime Tazaki
2024-10-25  9:29   ` Johannes Berg
2024-10-25 13:28     ` Hajime Tazaki
2024-10-24 12:09 ` [RFC PATCH 09/13] x86/um: nommu: signal handling Hajime Tazaki
2024-10-25  9:30   ` Johannes Berg
2024-10-25 13:04     ` Hajime Tazaki
2024-10-24 12:09 ` [RFC PATCH 10/13] x86/um: nommu: stack save/restore on vfork Hajime Tazaki
2024-10-24 12:09 ` [RFC PATCH 11/13] um: change machine name for uname output Hajime Tazaki
2024-10-24 12:09 ` [RFC PATCH 12/13] um: nommu: add documentation of nommu UML Hajime Tazaki
2024-10-24 12:09 ` [RFC PATCH 13/13] um: nommu: plug nommu code into build system Hajime Tazaki
2024-10-25  9:33   ` Johannes Berg
2024-10-25 13:05     ` Hajime Tazaki
2024-10-25 15:27       ` Johannes Berg
2024-10-26  7:36         ` Hajime Tazaki
2024-10-26 10:19 ` [RFC PATCH 00/13] nommu UML Benjamin Berg
2024-10-27  9:10   ` Hajime Tazaki
2024-10-28 13:32     ` Benjamin Berg
2024-10-30  9:25       ` Hajime Tazaki
2024-11-09  0:52         ` Hajime Tazaki
2024-11-11  6:27 ` [RFC PATCH v2 " Hajime Tazaki
2024-11-11  6:27   ` [RFC PATCH v2 01/13] fs: binfmt_elf_efpic: add architecture hook elf_arch_finalize_exec Hajime Tazaki
2024-11-11 22:32     ` kernel test robot
2024-11-11  6:27   ` [RFC PATCH v2 02/13] x86/um: nommu: elf loader for fdpic Hajime Tazaki
2024-11-12 12:48     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2024-11-12 22:07       ` Hajime Tazaki
2024-11-13  8:19         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2024-11-13  8:36           ` Johannes Berg
2024-11-13  8:36             ` Johannes Berg
2024-11-13 10:27               ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2024-11-13 13:17                 ` Hajime Tazaki
2024-11-13 13:55                   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2024-11-13 23:32                     ` Hajime Tazaki
2024-11-14  1:40                       ` Greg Ungerer
2024-11-14 10:41                         ` Hajime Tazaki
2024-11-11  6:27   ` [RFC PATCH v2 03/13] um: nommu: memory handling Hajime Tazaki
2024-11-11  6:27   ` [RFC PATCH v2 04/13] x86/um: nommu: syscall handling Hajime Tazaki
2024-11-11  6:27   ` [RFC PATCH v2 05/13] x86/um: nommu: syscall translation by zpoline Hajime Tazaki
2024-11-11  6:27   ` [RFC PATCH v2 06/13] um: nommu: prevent host syscalls from userspace by seccomp filter Hajime Tazaki
2024-11-11  6:27   ` [RFC PATCH v2 07/13] x86/um: nommu: process/thread handling Hajime Tazaki
2024-11-11  6:27   ` [RFC PATCH v2 08/13] um: nommu: configure fs register on host syscall invocation Hajime Tazaki
2024-11-12  9:36     ` kernel test robot
2024-11-27 10:00     ` Benjamin Berg
2024-11-27 10:26       ` Hajime Tazaki
2024-11-11  6:27   ` [RFC PATCH v2 09/13] x86/um/vdso: nommu: vdso memory update Hajime Tazaki
2024-11-27 10:36     ` Benjamin Berg
2024-11-27 23:23       ` Hajime Tazaki
2024-11-11  6:27   ` [RFC PATCH v2 10/13] x86/um: nommu: signal handling Hajime Tazaki
2024-11-12 11:00     ` kernel test robot
2024-11-28 10:37     ` Benjamin Berg
2024-12-01  1:38       ` Hajime Tazaki [this message]
2024-11-11  6:27   ` [RFC PATCH v2 11/13] um: change machine name for uname output Hajime Tazaki
2024-11-11  6:27   ` [RFC PATCH v2 12/13] um: nommu: add documentation of nommu UML Hajime Tazaki
2024-11-11  6:27   ` [RFC PATCH v2 13/13] um: nommu: plug nommu code into build system Hajime Tazaki
2024-11-15 10:12   ` [RFC PATCH v2 00/13] nommu UML Johannes Berg
2024-11-15 10:26     ` Anton Ivanov
2024-11-15 14:54       ` Hajime Tazaki
2024-11-15 14:48     ` Hajime Tazaki
2024-11-22  9:33   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-11-22  9:53     ` Johannes Berg
2024-11-22 10:29       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-11-22 12:18       ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-11-22 12:25         ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-11-22 12:38           ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-11-22 12:49             ` Damien Le Moal
2024-11-22 12:52               ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-11-23  7:27   ` David Gow
2024-11-24  1:25     ` Hajime Tazaki
2024-12-03  4:22   ` [PATCH v3 " Hajime Tazaki
2024-12-03  4:23     ` [PATCH v3 01/13] fs: binfmt_elf_efpic: add architecture hook elf_arch_finalize_exec Hajime Tazaki
2024-12-03  4:23     ` [PATCH v3 02/13] x86/um: nommu: elf loader for fdpic Hajime Tazaki
2024-12-04 16:20       ` Johannes Berg
2024-12-05 13:41         ` Hajime Tazaki
2024-12-03  4:23     ` [PATCH v3 03/13] um: nommu: memory handling Hajime Tazaki
2024-12-04 16:34       ` Johannes Berg
2024-12-05 13:46         ` Hajime Tazaki
2024-12-03  4:23     ` [PATCH v3 04/13] x86/um: nommu: syscall handling Hajime Tazaki
2024-12-04 16:37       ` Johannes Berg
2024-12-05 13:47         ` Hajime Tazaki
2024-12-03  4:23     ` [PATCH v3 05/13] x86/um: nommu: syscall translation by zpoline Hajime Tazaki
2024-12-04 16:37       ` Johannes Berg
2024-12-05 13:48         ` Hajime Tazaki
2024-12-03  4:23     ` [PATCH v3 06/13] um: nommu: syscalls handler from userspace by seccomp filter Hajime Tazaki
2024-12-04 16:42       ` Johannes Berg
2024-12-05 13:51         ` Hajime Tazaki
2024-12-05 13:54           ` Johannes Berg
2024-12-06  2:51             ` Hajime Tazaki
2024-12-04 17:54       ` kernel test robot
2024-12-03  4:23     ` [PATCH v3 07/13] x86/um: nommu: process/thread handling Hajime Tazaki
2024-12-04 16:50       ` Johannes Berg
2024-12-05 13:56         ` Hajime Tazaki
2024-12-05 13:58           ` Johannes Berg
2024-12-06  2:49             ` Hajime Tazaki
2024-12-03  4:23     ` [PATCH v3 08/13] um: nommu: configure fs register on host syscall invocation Hajime Tazaki
2024-12-04 16:52       ` Johannes Berg
2024-12-04 19:31         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2024-12-05 13:58           ` Hajime Tazaki
2024-12-03  4:23     ` [PATCH v3 09/13] x86/um/vdso: nommu: vdso memory update Hajime Tazaki
2024-12-03  4:23     ` [PATCH v3 10/13] x86/um: nommu: signal handling Hajime Tazaki
2024-12-03  4:23     ` [PATCH v3 11/13] um: change machine name for uname output Hajime Tazaki
2024-12-03  4:23     ` [PATCH v3 12/13] um: nommu: add documentation of nommu UML Hajime Tazaki
2024-12-03  4:23     ` [PATCH v3 13/13] um: nommu: plug nommu code into build system Hajime Tazaki
2024-12-04 16:20     ` [PATCH v3 00/13] nommu UML Johannes Berg
2024-12-05 13:41       ` Hajime Tazaki

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