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From: Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>
To: Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@redhat.com>
Cc: chrisw@redhat.com, kraxel@redhat.com, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
	Jan Kiszka <jan.kiszka@siemens.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, avi@redhat.com,
	Paul Brook <paul@codesourcery.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH 1/5] qdev: Create qdev_get_dev_path()
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2010 16:03:23 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m3631gqvys.fsf@blackfin.pond.sub.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1276813540.3216.52.camel@x201> (Alex Williamson's message of "Thu, 17 Jun 2010 16:25:40 -0600")

Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@redhat.com> writes:

> On Wed, 2010-06-16 at 10:23 +0200, Markus Armbruster wrote:
>> Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@redhat.com> writes:
>> 
>> > On Tue, 2010-06-15 at 12:28 +0100, Paul Brook wrote:
>> >> > > Alex proposed to disambiguate by adding "identified properties of the
>> >> > > immediate parent bus and device" to the path component.  For PCI, these
>> >> > > are dev.fn.  Likewise for any other bus where devices have unambigous
>> >> > > bus address.  The driver name carries no information!
>> >> > 
>> >> > From user POV, driver names are very handly to address a device
>> >> > intuitively - except for the case you have tones of devices on the same
>> >> > bus that are handled by the same driver. For that case we need to
>> >> > augment the device name with a useful per-bus ID, derived from the bus
>> >> > address where available, otherwise based on instance numbers.
>> >> 
>> >> This is where I think you're missing a trick. We don't need to augment the 
>> >> name, we just need to allow the bus id to be used instead.
>> >
>> > For the case of a hot remove, I agree.  If the user specifies "pci_del
>> > pci.0/03.0", that's completely sufficient because we don't care what's
>> > in that slot, just remove it.  However, I still see some use cases for
>> > device names in the path.  Take for example:
>> >
>> > (A): /i440FX-pcihost/pci.0/e1000.05.0
>> >
>> > vs
>> >
>> > (B): /pci.0/05.0
>> >
>> > (removing both the root bridge driver name and the device driver name)
>> 
>> / is the main system bus.  System bus defines no bus address at the
>> moment.  Therefore, you have to use the driver name i440FX-pcihost.
>
> So is the general rule "If a device's parent bus does not provide an
> address, print device name"?

I think the general rule for constructing a *canonical* qdev path should
be:

* If it's the main system bus, the path is /.

* If it's another bus, the path is P/B, where P is the canonical path of
  the device providing the bus, and B is the bus name.  Unambiguous,
  since no device ever defines two buses with the same name.

* If it's a device, the path is P/D, where P is the canonical path of
  the bus.  If the bus defines bus addresses, then D is @A, where A is
  the device's bus address.

  We haven't made up our minds whether the else case exists, or what to
  do if it does.  The simple "else D is the device model driver's name"
  works only if the bus can't take multiple device models with the same
  driver.

The canonical path is not the only path.  For instance, a qdev ID is a
valid path, but it's not canonical.  /i440FX-pcihost/pci.0/e1000 is
another valid, non-canonical path.

[...]

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>
To: Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@redhat.com>
Cc: chrisw@redhat.com, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
	Jan Kiszka <jan.kiszka@siemens.com>,
	Paul Brook <paul@codesourcery.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, avi@redhat.com, kraxel@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH 1/5] qdev: Create qdev_get_dev_path()
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2010 16:03:23 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m3631gqvys.fsf@blackfin.pond.sub.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1276813540.3216.52.camel@x201> (Alex Williamson's message of "Thu, 17 Jun 2010 16:25:40 -0600")

Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@redhat.com> writes:

> On Wed, 2010-06-16 at 10:23 +0200, Markus Armbruster wrote:
>> Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@redhat.com> writes:
>> 
>> > On Tue, 2010-06-15 at 12:28 +0100, Paul Brook wrote:
>> >> > > Alex proposed to disambiguate by adding "identified properties of the
>> >> > > immediate parent bus and device" to the path component.  For PCI, these
>> >> > > are dev.fn.  Likewise for any other bus where devices have unambigous
>> >> > > bus address.  The driver name carries no information!
>> >> > 
>> >> > From user POV, driver names are very handly to address a device
>> >> > intuitively - except for the case you have tones of devices on the same
>> >> > bus that are handled by the same driver. For that case we need to
>> >> > augment the device name with a useful per-bus ID, derived from the bus
>> >> > address where available, otherwise based on instance numbers.
>> >> 
>> >> This is where I think you're missing a trick. We don't need to augment the 
>> >> name, we just need to allow the bus id to be used instead.
>> >
>> > For the case of a hot remove, I agree.  If the user specifies "pci_del
>> > pci.0/03.0", that's completely sufficient because we don't care what's
>> > in that slot, just remove it.  However, I still see some use cases for
>> > device names in the path.  Take for example:
>> >
>> > (A): /i440FX-pcihost/pci.0/e1000.05.0
>> >
>> > vs
>> >
>> > (B): /pci.0/05.0
>> >
>> > (removing both the root bridge driver name and the device driver name)
>> 
>> / is the main system bus.  System bus defines no bus address at the
>> moment.  Therefore, you have to use the driver name i440FX-pcihost.
>
> So is the general rule "If a device's parent bus does not provide an
> address, print device name"?

I think the general rule for constructing a *canonical* qdev path should
be:

* If it's the main system bus, the path is /.

* If it's another bus, the path is P/B, where P is the canonical path of
  the device providing the bus, and B is the bus name.  Unambiguous,
  since no device ever defines two buses with the same name.

* If it's a device, the path is P/D, where P is the canonical path of
  the bus.  If the bus defines bus addresses, then D is @A, where A is
  the device's bus address.

  We haven't made up our minds whether the else case exists, or what to
  do if it does.  The simple "else D is the device model driver's name"
  works only if the bus can't take multiple device models with the same
  driver.

The canonical path is not the only path.  For instance, a qdev ID is a
valid path, but it's not canonical.  /i440FX-pcihost/pci.0/e1000 is
another valid, non-canonical path.

[...]

  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-06-18 14:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 160+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-06-14  5:51 [RFC PATCH 0/5] Introduce canonical device hierarchy string Alex Williamson
2010-06-14  5:51 ` [Qemu-devel] " Alex Williamson
2010-06-14  5:51 ` [RFC PATCH 1/5] qdev: Create qdev_get_dev_path() Alex Williamson
2010-06-14  5:51   ` [Qemu-devel] " Alex Williamson
2010-06-14  6:39   ` Markus Armbruster
2010-06-14  6:39     ` Markus Armbruster
2010-06-14 12:52     ` Alex Williamson
2010-06-14 12:52       ` Alex Williamson
2010-06-14 13:00       ` Jan Kiszka
2010-06-14 13:00         ` Jan Kiszka
2010-06-14 13:09       ` Paul Brook
2010-06-14 13:09         ` Paul Brook
2010-06-14 15:29         ` Alex Williamson
2010-06-14 15:29           ` Alex Williamson
2010-06-14 15:42           ` Paul Brook
2010-06-14 15:42             ` Paul Brook
2010-06-14 16:00           ` Jan Kiszka
2010-06-14 16:00             ` Jan Kiszka
2010-06-14 16:38             ` Alex Williamson
2010-06-14 16:38               ` Alex Williamson
2010-06-14 16:49               ` Jan Kiszka
2010-06-14 16:49                 ` Jan Kiszka
2010-06-14 18:35                 ` Alex Williamson
2010-06-14 18:35                   ` Alex Williamson
2010-06-14 21:43                   ` Paul Brook
2010-06-14 21:43                     ` Paul Brook
2010-06-14 22:11                     ` Alex Williamson
2010-06-14 22:11                       ` Alex Williamson
2010-06-14 22:46                       ` Paul Brook
2010-06-14 22:46                         ` Paul Brook
2010-06-15  1:14                         ` Alex Williamson
2010-06-15  1:14                           ` Alex Williamson
2010-06-15 11:24                           ` Paul Brook
2010-06-15 11:24                             ` Paul Brook
2010-06-15  8:47         ` Markus Armbruster
2010-06-15  8:47           ` Markus Armbruster
2010-06-15  9:34           ` Jan Kiszka
2010-06-15  9:34             ` Jan Kiszka
2010-06-15 11:28             ` Paul Brook
2010-06-15 11:28               ` Paul Brook
2010-06-15 11:45               ` Jan Kiszka
2010-06-15 11:45                 ` Jan Kiszka
2010-06-15 12:04                 ` Paul Brook
2010-06-15 12:04                   ` Paul Brook
2010-06-15 12:16                   ` Jan Kiszka
2010-06-15 12:16                     ` Jan Kiszka
2010-06-15 12:39                     ` Paul Brook
2010-06-15 12:39                       ` Paul Brook
2010-06-15 13:00                       ` Jan Kiszka
2010-06-15 13:00                         ` Jan Kiszka
2010-06-15 13:14                         ` Paul Brook
2010-06-15 13:14                           ` Paul Brook
2010-06-15 13:16                 ` Markus Armbruster
2010-06-15 13:16                   ` Markus Armbruster
2010-06-15 13:32                   ` Jan Kiszka
2010-06-15 13:32                     ` Jan Kiszka
2010-06-15 20:53               ` Alex Williamson
2010-06-15 20:53                 ` Alex Williamson
2010-06-15 21:55                 ` Paul Brook
2010-06-15 21:55                   ` Paul Brook
2010-06-15 22:33                   ` Alex Williamson
2010-06-15 22:33                     ` Alex Williamson
2010-06-15 23:01                     ` Paul Brook
2010-06-15 23:01                       ` Paul Brook
2010-06-15 23:10                       ` Alex Williamson
2010-06-15 23:10                         ` Alex Williamson
2010-06-16  0:25                       ` Chris Wright
2010-06-16  0:25                         ` Chris Wright
2010-06-16  0:30                         ` Paul Brook
2010-06-16  0:30                           ` Paul Brook
2010-06-16  0:35                           ` Chris Wright
2010-06-16  0:35                             ` Chris Wright
2010-06-16  1:30                             ` Paul Brook
2010-06-16  1:30                               ` Paul Brook
2010-06-16  2:55                               ` Alex Williamson
2010-06-16  2:55                                 ` Alex Williamson
2010-06-16  8:23                 ` Markus Armbruster
2010-06-16  8:23                   ` Markus Armbruster
2010-06-17 22:25                   ` Alex Williamson
2010-06-17 22:25                     ` Alex Williamson
2010-06-18  9:16                     ` Jan Kiszka
2010-06-18  9:16                       ` Jan Kiszka
2010-06-18 15:01                       ` Alex Williamson
2010-06-18 15:01                         ` Alex Williamson
2010-06-18 15:22                         ` Jan Kiszka
2010-06-18 15:22                           ` Jan Kiszka
2010-06-18 14:03                     ` Markus Armbruster [this message]
2010-06-18 14:03                       ` Markus Armbruster
2010-06-18 14:14                       ` Jan Kiszka
2010-06-18 14:14                         ` Jan Kiszka
2010-06-18 15:21                       ` Alex Williamson
2010-06-18 15:21                         ` Alex Williamson
2010-06-15 11:42             ` Markus Armbruster
2010-06-15 11:42               ` Markus Armbruster
2010-06-15 11:59               ` Jan Kiszka
2010-06-15 11:59                 ` Jan Kiszka
2010-06-15 13:07                 ` Markus Armbruster
2010-06-15 13:07                   ` Markus Armbruster
2010-06-15 13:19                   ` Paul Brook
2010-06-15 13:19                     ` Paul Brook
2010-06-15 13:32                     ` Paul Brook
2010-06-15 13:32                       ` Paul Brook
2010-06-15 15:08                   ` Jan Kiszka
2010-06-15 15:08                     ` Jan Kiszka
2010-06-16 13:02                     ` Markus Armbruster
2010-06-16 13:02                       ` Markus Armbruster
2010-06-14  5:51 ` [RFC PATCH 2/5] savevm: Add DeviceState param Alex Williamson
2010-06-14  5:51   ` [Qemu-devel] " Alex Williamson
2010-06-14  5:51 ` [RFC PATCH 3/5] savevm: Make use of the new " Alex Williamson
2010-06-14  5:51   ` [Qemu-devel] " Alex Williamson
2010-06-14  5:51 ` [RFC PATCH 4/5] eepro100: Add a dev field to eeprom new/free functions Alex Williamson
2010-06-14  5:51   ` [Qemu-devel] " Alex Williamson
2010-06-14  5:51 ` [RFC PATCH 5/5] virtio-net: Incorporate a DeviceState pointer and let savevm track instances Alex Williamson
2010-06-14  5:51   ` [Qemu-devel] " Alex Williamson
2010-06-14  7:02 ` [RFC PATCH 0/5] Introduce canonical device hierarchy string Gerd Hoffmann
2010-06-14  7:02   ` [Qemu-devel] " Gerd Hoffmann
2010-06-14 19:56   ` Alex Williamson
2010-06-14 19:56     ` [Qemu-devel] " Alex Williamson
2010-06-15  8:53     ` Markus Armbruster
2010-06-15  8:53       ` Markus Armbruster
2010-06-15 18:01       ` Alex Williamson
2010-06-15 18:01         ` Alex Williamson
2010-06-16  8:34         ` Markus Armbruster
2010-06-16  8:36           ` Markus Armbruster
2010-06-15  9:12     ` Gerd Hoffmann
2010-06-15  9:12       ` [Qemu-devel] " Gerd Hoffmann
2010-06-15 18:03       ` Alex Williamson
2010-06-15 18:03         ` [Qemu-devel] " Alex Williamson
2010-06-16  9:46 ` RFC qdev path semantics (was: [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH 0/5] Introduce canonical device hierarchy string) Markus Armbruster
2010-06-16  9:46   ` Markus Armbruster
2010-06-16 10:40   ` Paul Brook
2010-06-16 10:40     ` Paul Brook
2010-06-16 11:37   ` RFC qdev path semantics Jan Kiszka
2010-06-16 11:37     ` [Qemu-devel] " Jan Kiszka
2010-06-16 11:45     ` Paul Brook
2010-06-16 11:45       ` [Qemu-devel] " Paul Brook
2010-06-16 12:01       ` Jan Kiszka
2010-06-16 12:01         ` [Qemu-devel] " Jan Kiszka
2010-06-16 12:21         ` Paul Brook
2010-06-16 12:21           ` Paul Brook
2010-06-16 13:50           ` Jan Kiszka
2010-06-16 13:50             ` Jan Kiszka
2010-06-16 13:05   ` Markus Armbruster
2010-06-16 13:05     ` [Qemu-devel] " Markus Armbruster
2010-06-16 13:23     ` Paul Brook
2010-06-16 13:23       ` [Qemu-devel] " Paul Brook
2010-06-16 14:31       ` Markus Armbruster
2010-06-16 14:31         ` Markus Armbruster
2010-06-17 21:43   ` Alex Williamson
2010-06-17 21:43     ` [Qemu-devel] " Alex Williamson
2010-06-17 22:01     ` Paul Brook
2010-06-17 22:01       ` [Qemu-devel] " Paul Brook
2010-06-17 22:34       ` Alex Williamson
2010-06-17 22:34         ` [Qemu-devel] " Alex Williamson
2010-06-18  7:52     ` Gerd Hoffmann
2010-06-18  7:52       ` [Qemu-devel] " Gerd Hoffmann
2010-06-18 14:58   ` Markus Armbruster
2010-06-18 14:58     ` [Qemu-devel] " Markus Armbruster
2010-06-22 14:27   ` Anthony Liguori
2010-06-22 14:27     ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori

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