[Linux-ia64] Re: PCI Hotplug Drivers for 2.5

[Linux-ia64] Re: PCI Hotplug Drivers for 2.5

[Greg KH]

On Wed, Oct 23, 2002 at 09:33:09PM -0700, Lee, Jung-Ik wrote:
> Greg,
> 
> Please find the attached ACPI based PCI Hotplug driver.

But the code you sent has all of the ACPI stuff not enabled, right?

As an example from your patch:

+enum php_ctlr_type phphpc_get_ctlr_type()
+{
+       return PCI;
+}

It never returns any other type, so the ACPI or ISA sections of the
driver will never get called.  Or am I missing something?

>  intcphp:
>     Php driver source for Compaq or compatible Intel Hotplug
>     controllers on IA32 or DIG64-ACPI compliant IA64 platforms.

So this overloads the current Compaq driver?  It looks like this "new"
driver will also handle all of the same controllers the current Compaq
driver does, right?  If not, it sure looks like you are accepting all of
the same PCI ID values :)

>     intcphp driver is overhauled per your requirements:
>     + Abstraction module is removed.
>       It's now two modules driver like others.

Thank you for making this change, I appreciate it.

>     + typedefs are removed except callback function.

Thanks.

>     + LINUX_VERSION checks are removed.

And replaced with the odd BEFORE_2_5 check :)
Please just rip these out and send a version that is only for the 2.5
kernel.

Some of your #ifdef CONFIG_IA64 should be moved to header files only
(and probably documented why you really need to sleep extra amounts for
ia64 machines only.

What's the #ifdef WORK_QUEUE for?

> 	intcphp is much based on cpqphp driver but has been modified to be
> controller independent on DIG64/ACPI compliant IPF servers as well as
> non-ACPI based IA32 servers. Thus code looks similar but integration is not
> that easy and will take time and consents of affected drivers owners.

The code looks _very_ similar.  In fact, at first glance it looks like
almost a straight copy of the existing Compaq code.  Why not just submit
a patch against that driver that adds the extra functionality that you
need for your hardware?  That would be much smaller, and decrease the
amount of duplicated code in the kernel tree.

Also, why doesn't the ACPI PCI hotplug driver work for your machines?
I've seen it work on a very wide range of processors (i386 and ia64),
and manufacturers, and any specific issues with your hardware would
probably be better addressed with patches to the existing ACPI driver.

> 	We understand there needs more integration and cleanup to make
> common codes to pci_hotplug core as you indicated. This task, however,
> requires time and changes in every php driver with owners' consensus on
> common php controller/slot objects, while satisfying requirements in the
> near future. We look forward to discussing this with you and other
> contributors.

Great, I do too.  Please, make a proposal about what to merge into the
core.  I do NOT want to see another driver have to duplicate the PCI
resource management code again without a very good reason for doing it.

> 	Until then, please allow us to co-exist this driver.

There's no rush, let's work together to get this done properly.

thanks,

greg k-h

[Linux-ia64] Re: PCI Hotplug Drivers for 2.5

[KOCHI, Takayoshi]

Hi,

On Wed, 23 Oct 2002 22:10:08 -0700
Greg KH <greg@kroah.com> wrote:

> Also, why doesn't the ACPI PCI hotplug driver work for your machines?
> I've seen it work on a very wide range of processors (i386 and ia64),
> and manufacturers, and any specific issues with your hardware would
> probably be better addressed with patches to the existing ACPI driver.

The ACPI spec provides very limited control of actual hardware
(With ACPI, we don't have common method for controlling such as Bus
speed, LED etc.).
So if a hardware comes with well-documented hotplug controller, we
can achieve finer control over the hardware.

The SHPC specification defines it still depends on ACPI for managing
resources, etc.  So resource management portion can be and *should be*
shared with all PCI hotplug drivers that use ACPI for resource
management.

I think the most important thing is everyone agree on the direction
in which we should go before we code anything, in order not to waste
our time.

Thanks,
-- 
KOCHI, Takayoshi <t-kouchi@cq.jp.nec.com/t-kouchi@mvf.biglobe.ne.jp>

[Linux-ia64] Re: PCI Hotplug Drivers for 2.5

[Greg KH]

On Wed, Oct 23, 2002 at 10:59:34PM -0700, KOCHI, Takayoshi wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> On Wed, 23 Oct 2002 22:10:08 -0700
> Greg KH <greg@kroah.com> wrote:
> 
> > Also, why doesn't the ACPI PCI hotplug driver work for your machines?
> > I've seen it work on a very wide range of processors (i386 and ia64),
> > and manufacturers, and any specific issues with your hardware would
> > probably be better addressed with patches to the existing ACPI driver.
> 
> The ACPI spec provides very limited control of actual hardware
> (With ACPI, we don't have common method for controlling such as Bus
> speed, LED etc.).
> So if a hardware comes with well-documented hotplug controller, we
> can achieve finer control over the hardware.

Ah, I didn't realize this.  So for some machines (like IBM's x440), we
should stick with using the hotplug controller driver, instead of using
the ACPI driver.  Sounds reasonable to me.

> The SHPC specification defines it still depends on ACPI for managing
> resources, etc.  So resource management portion can be and *should be*
> shared with all PCI hotplug drivers that use ACPI for resource
> management.
> 
> I think the most important thing is everyone agree on the direction
> in which we should go before we code anything, in order not to waste
> our time.

I think we now all agree that resource management should move into a
place where it can be shared by all pci hotplug drivers, right?

If so, anyone want to propose some common code?  I think the stuff in
the ACPI driver that was pulled from the Compaq driver is a great start.
I can try to pull this into the core myself, but if the Intel developers
have the time, and energy, I would greatly appreciate their help (or
anyone else who wants to join in.)

thanks,

greg k-h

Re: [Linux-ia64] Re: PCI Hotplug Drivers for 2.5

[Matthew Wilcox]

On Wed, Oct 23, 2002 at 11:12:36PM -0700, Greg KH wrote:
> I think we now all agree that resource management should move into a
> place where it can be shared by all pci hotplug drivers, right?
> 
> If so, anyone want to propose some common code?  I think the stuff in
> the ACPI driver that was pulled from the Compaq driver is a great start.
> I can try to pull this into the core myself, but if the Intel developers
> have the time, and energy, I would greatly appreciate their help (or
> anyone else who wants to join in.)

We already _have_ a lot of common code in drivers/pci, but it's not
compiled in for x86 or ia64.  some other architectures don't assign PCI
resources in the `BIOS' so we get to do it.  setup-bus.c, setup-res.c
and setup-irq.c all seem to duplicate some part of the code currently
found in each and every hotplug driver.

-- 
Revolutions do not require corporate support.

[Linux-ia64] Re: PCI Hotplug Drivers for 2.5

[Jeff Garzik]

Greg KH wrote:
>>The SHPC specification defines it still depends on ACPI for managing
>>resources, etc.  So resource management portion can be and *should be*
>>shared with all PCI hotplug drivers that use ACPI for resource
>>management.
>>
>>I think the most important thing is everyone agree on the direction
>>in which we should go before we code anything, in order not to waste
>>our time.
> 
> 
> I think we now all agree that resource management should move into a
> place where it can be shared by all pci hotplug drivers, right?
> 
> If so, anyone want to propose some common code?


drivers/pci/setup* is not enough?

I am surprised that anything needed to be added here...

[Linux-ia64] RE: PCI Hotplug Drivers for 2.5

[Lee, Jung-Ik]

Hi Greg,

My answers are next to your comments.

thanks,
J.I.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Greg KH [mailto:greg@kroah.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 10:10 PM
> To: Lee, Jung-Ik
> Cc: 'KOCHI, Takayoshi'; Luck, Tony;
> pcihpd-discuss@lists.sourceforge.net; linux ia64 kernel list;
> linux-kernel
> Subject: Re: PCI Hotplug Drivers for 2.5
> 
> 
> On Wed, Oct 23, 2002 at 09:33:09PM -0700, Lee, Jung-Ik wrote:
> > Greg,
> > 
> > Please find the attached ACPI based PCI Hotplug driver.
> 
> But the code you sent has all of the ACPI stuff not enabled, right?

ACPI is a must for PHP enumeration/configuration and resource management for
DIG64/ACPI compliant platforms. ACPI method is optional for controller/slot
operations(event management). intcphp driver conforms to ACPI resource
management. I didn't enable ACPI based event management for PHP since it is
optional and provides less feature than controller based solution - LED,
MRL, Bus/Adapter speeds/capabilities, etc.

> 
> As an example from your patch:
> 
> +enum php_ctlr_type phphpc_get_ctlr_type()
> +{
> +       return PCI;
> +}
> 
> It never returns any other type, so the ACPI or ISA sections of the
> driver will never get called.  Or am I missing something?
> 
This is because this release only addresses PCI version only. I can take
this out too, with ease :)

> >  intcphp:
> >     Php driver source for Compaq or compatible Intel Hotplug
> >     controllers on IA32 or DIG64-ACPI compliant IA64 platforms.
> 
> So this overloads the current Compaq driver?  It looks like this "new"
> driver will also handle all of the same controllers the current Compaq
> driver does, right?  If not, it sure looks like you are 
> accepting all of
> the same PCI ID values :)
> 
Probably, as PCI ID indicates :)

> >     intcphp driver is overhauled per your requirements:
> >     + Abstraction module is removed.
> >       It's now two modules driver like others.
> 
> Thank you for making this change, I appreciate it.
> 
> >     + typedefs are removed except callback function.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> >     + LINUX_VERSION checks are removed.
> 
> And replaced with the odd BEFORE_2_5 check :)
> Please just rip these out and send a version that is only for the 2.5
> kernel.
> 
Ah, you noticed it.. OK (pain in my heart :))

> Some of your #ifdef CONFIG_IA64 should be moved to header files only
> (and probably documented why you really need to sleep extra 
> amounts for
> ia64 machines only.
> 
> What's the #ifdef WORK_QUEUE for?

Not used. Will take out.

> 
> > 	intcphp is much based on cpqphp driver but has been 
> modified to be
> > controller independent on DIG64/ACPI compliant IPF servers 
> as well as
> > non-ACPI based IA32 servers. Thus code looks similar but 
> integration is not
> > that easy and will take time and consents of affected 
> drivers owners.
> 
> The code looks _very_ similar.  In fact, at first glance it looks like
> almost a straight copy of the existing Compaq code.  Why not 
> just submit
> a patch against that driver that adds the extra functionality that you
> need for your hardware?  That would be much smaller, and decrease the
> amount of duplicated code in the kernel tree.
> 
> Also, why doesn't the ACPI PCI hotplug driver work for your machines?
> I've seen it work on a very wide range of processors (i386 and ia64),
> and manufacturers, and any specific issues with your hardware would
> probably be better addressed with patches to the existing ACPI driver.
> 
With some reasons such as what Tak described.

> > 	We understand there needs more integration and cleanup to make
> > common codes to pci_hotplug core as you indicated. This 
> task, however,
> > requires time and changes in every php driver with owners' 
> consensus on
> > common php controller/slot objects, while satisfying 
> requirements in the
> > near future. We look forward to discussing this with you and other
> > contributors.
> 
> Great, I do too.  Please, make a proposal about what to merge into the
> core.  I do NOT want to see another driver have to duplicate the PCI
> resource management code again without a very good reason for 
> doing it.
> 
> > 	Until then, please allow us to co-exist this driver.
> 
> There's no rush, let's work together to get this done properly.
> 
We need this driver as it's the only solution for DIG64 compliant IPF
platforms.
Can we work in parallel ? - Make this driver available and we all work
together for enhanced pci_hotplug core. Also I'll talk with cpqphp owner
over the integration of the two.

> thanks,
> 
> greg k-h
> 

[Linux-ia64] RE: PCI Hotplug Drivers for 2.5

[Lee, Jung-Ik]

> 
> I think we now all agree that resource management should move into a
> place where it can be shared by all pci hotplug drivers, right?
> 
> If so, anyone want to propose some common code?  I think the stuff in
> the ACPI driver that was pulled from the Compaq driver is a 
> great start.
> I can try to pull this into the core myself, but if the Intel 
> developers
> have the time, and energy, I would greatly appreciate their help (or
> anyone else who wants to join in.)
> 

Resource Management code in phprm.h works fine for both ACPI based platforms
and non-ACPI platforms (smbios, BIOS $HRT, pcibios_pci_irq_routing...) doing
php enumeration, configuration, resource allocation, etc. Only phprm_acpi.c
is included in this release for size matters.
intcphp driver is free from controller type, IA32/IPF, ACPI/non-ACPI and
depending on kernel configuration, it can bind to either ACPI PHPRM or
non-ACPI PHPRM.

PCI resource handling code - that does add/delete/sort/combine, etc on
pci_resource - has nothing to do with ACPI or non-ACPI so it should be
common across cpqphp, ibmphp, acpiphp and intcphp. They are duplicated and
varied due to mother structures differences.

> thanks,
> 
> greg k-h
> 

[Linux-ia64] Re: PCI Hotplug Drivers for 2.5

[Greg KH]

On Thu, Oct 24, 2002 at 09:24:30AM -0700, Lee, Jung-Ik wrote:
> 
> ACPI is a must for PHP enumeration/configuration and resource management for
> DIG64/ACPI compliant platforms. ACPI method is optional for controller/slot
> operations(event management). intcphp driver conforms to ACPI resource
> management. I didn't enable ACPI based event management for PHP since it is
> optional and provides less feature than controller based solution - LED,
> MRL, Bus/Adapter speeds/capabilities, etc.

But as the code you sent me isn't enabled for ACPI, I don't see how it
ties into the existing Compaq based PCI driver.  How does this work?
Are you trying to have 1 driver handle both the PCI and ACPI
functionality?

> > As an example from your patch:
> > 
> > +enum php_ctlr_type phphpc_get_ctlr_type()
> > +{
> > +       return PCI;
> > +}
> > 
> > It never returns any other type, so the ACPI or ISA sections of the
> > driver will never get called.  Or am I missing something?
> > 
> This is because this release only addresses PCI version only. I can take
> this out too, with ease :)

As this means there is a lot of "dead code" in the driver, you should
take all of it out.

> > >  intcphp:
> > >     Php driver source for Compaq or compatible Intel Hotplug
> > >     controllers on IA32 or DIG64-ACPI compliant IA64 platforms.
> > 
> > So this overloads the current Compaq driver?  It looks like this "new"
> > driver will also handle all of the same controllers the current Compaq
> > driver does, right?  If not, it sure looks like you are 
> > accepting all of
> > the same PCI ID values :)
> > 
> Probably, as PCI ID indicates :)

Ok, no, I will not accept this driver then, as you are duplicating the
entire Compaq driver.  Just provide a patch for the existing driver with
your new functionality.

> > >     + LINUX_VERSION checks are removed.
> > 
> > And replaced with the odd BEFORE_2_5 check :)
> > Please just rip these out and send a version that is only for the 2.5
> > kernel.
> > 
> Ah, you noticed it.. OK (pain in my heart :))

Hm, directly trying to sneak something by me, by just renaming a
#define.  Not nice. :(

> We need this driver as it's the only solution for DIG64 compliant IPF
> platforms.
> Can we work in parallel ? - Make this driver available and we all work
> together for enhanced pci_hotplug core.

No, does your driver _have_ to be in the 2.5 kernel tree right now for
some reason?  Can't anyone who _has_ to have PCI Hotplug support for
these types of machines (and I don't think there are any types of these
machines currently shipping, right?  And they wouldn't be running a 2.5
kernel on them, right?) just grab your driver if they really need it?

> Also I'll talk with cpqphp owner over the integration of the two.

You're talking to him :)

thanks,

greg k-h

[Linux-ia64] Re: PCI Hotplug Drivers for 2.5

[Greg KH]

On Thu, Oct 24, 2002 at 10:52:09AM -0400, Jeff Garzik wrote:
> Greg KH wrote:
> >I think we now all agree that resource management should move into a
> >place where it can be shared by all pci hotplug drivers, right?
> >
> >If so, anyone want to propose some common code?
> 
> 
> drivers/pci/setup* is not enough?
> 
> I am surprised that anything needed to be added here...

There was some reason that code would not work out when I looked at it
over a year ago.  But I don't remember why, so I'll go look at it again,
thanks for pointing it out.

greg k-h

[Linux-ia64] Re: PCI Hotplug Drivers for 2.5

[KOCHI, Takayoshi]

> We need this driver as it's the only solution for DIG64 compliant IPF
> platforms.

No, not for all DIG64 compliant IPF platforms.  NEC TX7 is also
a DIG64 compliant IPF platform but doesn't need your driver.

DIG64(2.1) only states that:

 Firmware Support for PCI Hot-Plug
                               : Recommended if PCI Hot-Plug is
                                 implemented
 ACPI Support for PCI Hot-Plug : Recommended for platforms that
                                 implement PCI Hot-Plug without SHPC
 Using PCI Hot-Plug Specifications
                               : Recommended if PCI Hot-Plug is
                                 implemented

The spec also states that any PCI Hot-Plug controller must
follow one of PCI Hot-Plug spec 1.1, SHPC 1.0 or CompactPCI Hot Swap
spec.  It also strongly recommends SHPC 1.0, which is not covered
by J.I.'s driver yet.

But anyway Itanium2 platform using intel's hot-plug controller
will be shipping soon and J.I.'s driver has much better functionality
than acpiphp.  This would be a decent reason for having the
driver in the mainline.

And this also motivates us to clean up the duplicated code if
it were in mainline:)

Thanks,
-- 
KOCHI, Takayoshi <t-kouchi@cq.jp.nec.com/t-kouchi@mvf.biglobe.ne.jp>

[Linux-ia64] RE: PCI Hotplug Drivers for 2.5

[Lee, Jung-Ik]

> On Thu, Oct 24, 2002 at 09:24:30AM -0700, Lee, Jung-Ik wrote:
> > 
> > ACPI is a must for PHP enumeration/configuration and 
> resource management for
> > DIG64/ACPI compliant platforms. ACPI method is optional for 
> controller/slot
> > operations(event management). intcphp driver conforms to 
> ACPI resource
> > management. I didn't enable ACPI based event management for 
> PHP since it is
> > optional and provides less feature than controller based 
> solution - LED,
> > MRL, Bus/Adapter speeds/capabilities, etc.
> 
> But as the code you sent me isn't enabled for ACPI, I don't see how it
> ties into the existing Compaq based PCI driver.  How does this work?
> Are you trying to have 1 driver handle both the PCI and ACPI
> functionality?

Let me try again :)

**resource management**
Non-ACPI platforms uses $HRT/EBDA, pcibios_*(), SMBIOS, etc. for slot
enumeration/configuration.
DIG64/ACPI, and SHPC requires ACPI for this. IPF platforms only have ACPI
_CRS, _PRT, _HPP, _BBN, _STA, _ADR, _SUN, etc on the namespace for PHP, and
we have to use them. (as a side note, this functionality is common for other
hotplug-* as mentioned in first mail. No API will be common for
hotplug-everything, but functionality is common and has not to be
duplicated)

**event management in terms of controller/slot operations **
ACPI provides only _EJ0, _PS?, _STA, etc for slot operations but these are
not mandatory. That means, we can use either ACPI method or controller
driver.
intcphp driver has not enabled ACPI method based solution but uses
controller driver.
intcphp driver is also capable of performing ACPI method based solution
since it works on ACPI namespace. This is why acpiphp and intcphp could be
sharing resource management and event management.

> 
> > > As an example from your patch:
> > > 
> > > +enum php_ctlr_type phphpc_get_ctlr_type()
> > > +{
> > > +       return PCI;
> > > +}
> > > 
> > > It never returns any other type, so the ACPI or ISA 
> sections of the
> > > driver will never get called.  Or am I missing something?
> > > 
> > This is because this release only addresses PCI version 
> only. I can take
> > this out too, with ease :)
> 
> As this means there is a lot of "dead code" in the driver, you should
> take all of it out.

Well, I removed many dead codes from the base driver. This is not dead code
but needed to support other types.
However, if it's not acceptable, I'll remove them.


> Hm, directly trying to sneak something by me, by just renaming a
> #define.  Not nice. :(

No intention like that at all. Please regard this as bright side of
engineers simple version control w/ commonly used #ifdefs :)
Anyway, they'll be removed per your requirement.

> 
> > We need this driver as it's the only solution for DIG64 
> compliant IPF
> > platforms.
> > Can we work in parallel ? - Make this driver available and 
> we all work
> > together for enhanced pci_hotplug core.
> 
> No, does your driver _have_ to be in the 2.5 kernel tree right now for
> some reason?  Can't anyone who _has_ to have PCI Hotplug support for
> these types of machines (and I don't think there are any 
> types of these
> machines currently shipping, right?  And they wouldn't be 
> running a 2.5
> kernel on them, right?) just grab your driver if they really need it?
It's not my area to answer. It's product marketting. I do not want to skrew
marketting :)
We want the driver available before they compalint it :|
BTW, do we know how far is 2.6, even roughly ?

> 
> > Also I'll talk with cpqphp owner over the integration of the two.
> 
> You're talking to him :)

Ah. I now know why you are the one who talks about this :)
OK, then, I'll send you a patch against your cpqphp driver asap.

Thanks,
J.I.
 

[Linux-ia64] Re: PCI Hotplug Drivers for 2.5

[Jeff Garzik]

KOCHI, Takayoshi wrote:
>>We need this driver as it's the only solution for DIG64 compliant IPF
>>platforms.
> 
> 
> No, not for all DIG64 compliant IPF platforms.  NEC TX7 is also
> a DIG64 compliant IPF platform but doesn't need your driver.



Tangent:

Intel is wrong by renaming IA64 to "IPF".

It was previously used as "Intel Processor Family".  IA64 is a far 
better name, and I will continue to use that in preference to IPF. 
Re-using an acronym is silly and creates confusion.


	Jeff

Re: [Linux-ia64] RE: PCI Hotplug Drivers for 2.5

[Matthew Wilcox]

On Thu, Oct 24, 2002 at 10:40:05AM -0700, Lee, Jung-Ik wrote:
> **resource management**
> Non-ACPI platforms uses $HRT/EBDA, pcibios_*(), SMBIOS, etc. for slot
> enumeration/configuration.
> DIG64/ACPI, and SHPC requires ACPI for this. IPF platforms only have ACPI
> _CRS, _PRT, _HPP, _BBN, _STA, _ADR, _SUN, etc on the namespace for PHP, and
> we have to use them. (as a side note, this functionality is common for other
> hotplug-* as mentioned in first mail. No API will be common for
> hotplug-everything, but functionality is common and has not to be
> duplicated)

> **event management in terms of controller/slot operations **
> ACPI provides only _EJ0, _PS?, _STA, etc for slot operations but these are
> not mandatory. That means, we can use either ACPI method or controller
> driver.
> intcphp driver has not enabled ACPI method based solution but uses
> controller driver.
> intcphp driver is also capable of performing ACPI method based solution
> since it works on ACPI namespace. This is why acpiphp and intcphp could be
> sharing resource management and event management.

Sounds like we want a library of ACPI code that can be used by individual
drivers rather than an ACPI driver with pluggable event management
functions then.

-- 
Revolutions do not require corporate support.

RE: [Linux-ia64] RE: PCI Hotplug Drivers for 2.5

[Lee, Jung-Ik]

> > **resource management**
> > Non-ACPI platforms uses $HRT/EBDA, pcibios_*(), SMBIOS, 
> etc. for slot
> > enumeration/configuration.
> > DIG64/ACPI, and SHPC requires ACPI for this. IPF platforms 
> only have ACPI
> > _CRS, _PRT, _HPP, _BBN, _STA, _ADR, _SUN, etc on the 
> namespace for PHP, and
> > we have to use them. (as a side note, this functionality is 
> common for other
> > hotplug-* as mentioned in first mail. No API will be common for
> > hotplug-everything, but functionality is common and has not to be
> > duplicated)
> 
> > **event management in terms of controller/slot operations **
> > ACPI provides only _EJ0, _PS?, _STA, etc for slot 
> operations but these are
> > not mandatory. That means, we can use either ACPI method or 
> controller
> > driver.
> > intcphp driver has not enabled ACPI method based solution but uses
> > controller driver.
> > intcphp driver is also capable of performing ACPI method 
> based solution
> > since it works on ACPI namespace. This is why acpiphp and 
> intcphp could be
> > sharing resource management and event management.
> 
> Sounds like we want a library of ACPI code that can be used 
> by individual
> drivers rather than an ACPI driver with pluggable event management
> functions then.

Right, that's where we're getting at.

[Linux-ia64] RE: PCI Hotplug Drivers for 2.5

[Lee, Jung-Ik]

> > We need this driver as it's the only solution for DIG64 
> compliant IPF
> > platforms.
> 
> No, not for all DIG64 compliant IPF platforms.  NEC TX7 is also
> a DIG64 compliant IPF platform but doesn't need your driver.

Well, I forgot acpiphp driver was removed in this driver patch :)
acpiphp is also for DIG64/ACPI and will do for some DIG64/ACPI machines
while intcphp is feature full driver for IPF platform PHP.

> 
> DIG64(2.1) only states that:
> 
>  Firmware Support for PCI Hot-Plug
>                                : Recommended if PCI Hot-Plug is
>                                  implemented
>  ACPI Support for PCI Hot-Plug : Recommended for platforms that
>                                  implement PCI Hot-Plug without SHPC
>  Using PCI Hot-Plug Specifications
>                                : Recommended if PCI Hot-Plug is
>                                  implemented

ACPI IS mandatory for DIG64 PHP resource management by SHPC, while ACPI
based slot operation is not required.
The above sentence only could be misleading.

> 
> The spec also states that any PCI Hot-Plug controller must
> follow one of PCI Hot-Plug spec 1.1, SHPC 1.0 or CompactPCI Hot Swap
> spec.  It also strongly recommends SHPC 1.0, which is not covered
> by J.I.'s driver yet.

intcphp is desined with SHPC on plan in terms of ACPI resource management,
as SHPC spec says
"DIG64 compliant platforms must use ACPI to describe resource allocation."
But it is not completely ready for SHPC yet. It's a matter of deployment
schedules of dependencies such as HPRT, ACPI methods OSHP, HBRB, etc which
will need to be enabled in Linux kernel ACPI driver/platform firmware.

> 
> But anyway Itanium2 platform using intel's hot-plug controller
> will be shipping soon and J.I.'s driver has much better functionality
> than acpiphp.  This would be a decent reason for having the
> driver in the mainline.
> 
> And this also motivates us to clean up the duplicated code if
> it were in mainline:)

\o/ second to this :)

> 
> Thanks,
> -- 
> KOCHI, Takayoshi <t-kouchi@cq.jp.nec.com/t-kouchi@mvf.biglobe.ne.jp>
> 

[Linux-ia64] Re: PCI Hotplug Drivers for 2.5

[Greg KH]

On Thu, Oct 24, 2002 at 10:40:05AM -0700, Lee, Jung-Ik wrote:
> 
> **resource management**
> Non-ACPI platforms uses $HRT/EBDA, pcibios_*(), SMBIOS, etc. for slot
> enumeration/configuration.
> DIG64/ACPI, and SHPC requires ACPI for this. IPF platforms only have ACPI
> _CRS, _PRT, _HPP, _BBN, _STA, _ADR, _SUN, etc on the namespace for PHP, and
> we have to use them. (as a side note, this functionality is common for other
> hotplug-* as mentioned in first mail. No API will be common for
> hotplug-everything, but functionality is common and has not to be
> duplicated)
> 
> **event management in terms of controller/slot operations **
> ACPI provides only _EJ0, _PS?, _STA, etc for slot operations but these are
> not mandatory. That means, we can use either ACPI method or controller
> driver.
> intcphp driver has not enabled ACPI method based solution but uses
> controller driver.
> intcphp driver is also capable of performing ACPI method based solution
> since it works on ACPI namespace. This is why acpiphp and intcphp could be
> sharing resource management and event management.

Ok, that makes more sense to me now.  Thank you for taking the time to
explain this.

> > As this means there is a lot of "dead code" in the driver, you should
> > take all of it out.
> 
> Well, I removed many dead codes from the base driver. This is not dead code
> but needed to support other types.
> However, if it's not acceptable, I'll remove them.

If the code can never be called, it looks pretty dead to me :)

But as you're going to be sending me a patch for the existing driver, we
don't have to worry about this anymore.

> OK, then, I'll send you a patch against your cpqphp driver asap.

Looking forward to it.

thanks,

greg k-h

RE: [Linux-ia64] RE: PCI Hotplug Drivers for 2.5

[Lee, Jung-Ik]

> > **resource management**
> > Non-ACPI platforms uses $HRT/EBDA, pcibios_*(), SMBIOS, 
> etc. for slot
> > enumeration/configuration.
> > DIG64/ACPI, and SHPC requires ACPI for this. IPF platforms 
> only have ACPI
> > _CRS, _PRT, _HPP, _BBN, _STA, _ADR, _SUN, etc on the 
> namespace for PHP, and
> > we have to use them. (as a side note, this functionality is 
> common for other
> > hotplug-* as mentioned in first mail. No API will be common for
> > hotplug-everything, but functionality is common and has not to be
> > duplicated)
> 
> > **event management in terms of controller/slot operations **
> > ACPI provides only _EJ0, _PS?, _STA, etc for slot 
> operations but these are
> > not mandatory. That means, we can use either ACPI method or 
> controller
> > driver.
> > intcphp driver has not enabled ACPI method based solution but uses
> > controller driver.
> > intcphp driver is also capable of performing ACPI method 
> based solution
> > since it works on ACPI namespace. This is why acpiphp and 
> intcphp could be
> > sharing resource management and event management.
> 
> Sounds like we want a library of ACPI code that can be used 
> by individual
> drivers rather than an ACPI driver with pluggable event management
> functions then.

Right, that's where we're getting at.

RE: PCI Hotplug Drivers for 2.5

[Lee, Jung-Ik]

> On Thu, Oct 24, 2002 at 09:24:30AM -0700, Lee, Jung-Ik wrote:
> > 
> > ACPI is a must for PHP enumeration/configuration and 
> resource management for
> > DIG64/ACPI compliant platforms. ACPI method is optional for 
> controller/slot
> > operations(event management). intcphp driver conforms to 
> ACPI resource
> > management. I didn't enable ACPI based event management for 
> PHP since it is
> > optional and provides less feature than controller based 
> solution - LED,
> > MRL, Bus/Adapter speeds/capabilities, etc.
> 
> But as the code you sent me isn't enabled for ACPI, I don't see how it
> ties into the existing Compaq based PCI driver.  How does this work?
> Are you trying to have 1 driver handle both the PCI and ACPI
> functionality?

Let me try again :)

**resource management**
Non-ACPI platforms uses $HRT/EBDA, pcibios_*(), SMBIOS, etc. for slot
enumeration/configuration.
DIG64/ACPI, and SHPC requires ACPI for this. IPF platforms only have ACPI
_CRS, _PRT, _HPP, _BBN, _STA, _ADR, _SUN, etc on the namespace for PHP, and
we have to use them. (as a side note, this functionality is common for other
hotplug-* as mentioned in first mail. No API will be common for
hotplug-everything, but functionality is common and has not to be
duplicated)

**event management in terms of controller/slot operations **
ACPI provides only _EJ0, _PS?, _STA, etc for slot operations but these are
not mandatory. That means, we can use either ACPI method or controller
driver.
intcphp driver has not enabled ACPI method based solution but uses
controller driver.
intcphp driver is also capable of performing ACPI method based solution
since it works on ACPI namespace. This is why acpiphp and intcphp could be
sharing resource management and event management.

> 
> > > As an example from your patch:
> > > 
> > > +enum php_ctlr_type phphpc_get_ctlr_type()
> > > +{
> > > +       return PCI;
> > > +}
> > > 
> > > It never returns any other type, so the ACPI or ISA 
> sections of the
> > > driver will never get called.  Or am I missing something?
> > > 
> > This is because this release only addresses PCI version 
> only. I can take
> > this out too, with ease :)
> 
> As this means there is a lot of "dead code" in the driver, you should
> take all of it out.

Well, I removed many dead codes from the base driver. This is not dead code
but needed to support other types.
However, if it's not acceptable, I'll remove them.


> Hm, directly trying to sneak something by me, by just renaming a
> #define.  Not nice. :(

No intention like that at all. Please regard this as bright side of
engineers simple version control w/ commonly used #ifdefs :)
Anyway, they'll be removed per your requirement.

> 
> > We need this driver as it's the only solution for DIG64 
> compliant IPF
> > platforms.
> > Can we work in parallel ? - Make this driver available and 
> we all work
> > together for enhanced pci_hotplug core.
> 
> No, does your driver _have_ to be in the 2.5 kernel tree right now for
> some reason?  Can't anyone who _has_ to have PCI Hotplug support for
> these types of machines (and I don't think there are any 
> types of these
> machines currently shipping, right?  And they wouldn't be 
> running a 2.5
> kernel on them, right?) just grab your driver if they really need it?
It's not my area to answer. It's product marketting. I do not want to skrew
marketting :)
We want the driver available before they compalint it :|
BTW, do we know how far is 2.6, even roughly ?

> 
> > Also I'll talk with cpqphp owner over the integration of the two.
> 
> You're talking to him :)

Ah. I now know why you are the one who talks about this :)
OK, then, I'll send you a patch against your cpqphp driver asap.

Thanks,
J.I.
 

Re: [Linux-ia64] RE: PCI Hotplug Drivers for 2.5

[Matthew Wilcox]

On Thu, Oct 24, 2002 at 10:40:05AM -0700, Lee, Jung-Ik wrote:
> **resource management**
> Non-ACPI platforms uses $HRT/EBDA, pcibios_*(), SMBIOS, etc. for slot
> enumeration/configuration.
> DIG64/ACPI, and SHPC requires ACPI for this. IPF platforms only have ACPI
> _CRS, _PRT, _HPP, _BBN, _STA, _ADR, _SUN, etc on the namespace for PHP, and
> we have to use them. (as a side note, this functionality is common for other
> hotplug-* as mentioned in first mail. No API will be common for
> hotplug-everything, but functionality is common and has not to be
> duplicated)

> **event management in terms of controller/slot operations **
> ACPI provides only _EJ0, _PS?, _STA, etc for slot operations but these are
> not mandatory. That means, we can use either ACPI method or controller
> driver.
> intcphp driver has not enabled ACPI method based solution but uses
> controller driver.
> intcphp driver is also capable of performing ACPI method based solution
> since it works on ACPI namespace. This is why acpiphp and intcphp could be
> sharing resource management and event management.

Sounds like we want a library of ACPI code that can be used by individual
drivers rather than an ACPI driver with pluggable event management
functions then.

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PCI Hotplug Drivers for 2.5

[Lee, Jung-Ik]

[-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1980 bytes --]

Greg,

Please find the attached ACPI based PCI Hotplug driver.
 intcphp:
    Php driver source for Compaq or compatible Intel Hotplug
    controllers on IA32 or DIG64-ACPI compliant IA64 platforms.

    intcphp driver is overhauled per your requirements:
    + Abstraction module is removed.
      It's now two modules driver like others.
    + typedefs are removed except callback function.
    + LINUX_VERSION checks are removed.

	intcphp is much based on cpqphp driver but has been modified to be
controller independent on DIG64/ACPI compliant IPF servers as well as
non-ACPI based IA32 servers. Thus code looks similar but integration is not
that easy and will take time and consents of affected drivers owners.
	We understand there needs more integration and cleanup to make
common codes to pci_hotplug core as you indicated. This task, however,
requires time and changes in every php driver with owners' consensus on
common php controller/slot objects, while satisfying requirements in the
near future. We look forward to discussing this with you and other
contributors.
	Until then, please allow us to co-exist this driver.

Thanks,
	Jung-Ik Lee/Intel,
	Takayoshi Kochi/NEC,
	Tony Luck/Intel

====================================================
+ Patch is against 2.5.39 but should apply to 2.5.41 or later.
+ acpiphp driver is not included in this patch.
+ Required drivers/acpi patch and arch/ia64/pci patch have 
  already been accepted by respective owners, and excluded
  from this patch.

 Config.help    |   10 
 Config.in      |    1 
 Makefile       |   22 
 intcphp_core.c |  799 ++++++++++++++++
 intcphp_ctrl.c | 1795 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
 intcphp_hpc.c  | 1333 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++
 intcphp_pci.c  | 1179 +++++++++++++++++++++++
 intcphp_proc.c |  196 +++
 phpdvr.h       |  590 +++++++++++
 phprm.h        |   56 +
 phprm_acpi.c   | 2824
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
 11 files changed, 8805 insertions(+)


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Re: PCI Hotplug Drivers for 2.5

[Greg KH]

On Wed, Oct 23, 2002 at 09:33:09PM -0700, Lee, Jung-Ik wrote:
> Greg,
> 
> Please find the attached ACPI based PCI Hotplug driver.

But the code you sent has all of the ACPI stuff not enabled, right?

As an example from your patch:

+enum php_ctlr_type phphpc_get_ctlr_type()
+{
+       return PCI;
+}

It never returns any other type, so the ACPI or ISA sections of the
driver will never get called.  Or am I missing something?

>  intcphp:
>     Php driver source for Compaq or compatible Intel Hotplug
>     controllers on IA32 or DIG64-ACPI compliant IA64 platforms.

So this overloads the current Compaq driver?  It looks like this "new"
driver will also handle all of the same controllers the current Compaq
driver does, right?  If not, it sure looks like you are accepting all of
the same PCI ID values :)

>     intcphp driver is overhauled per your requirements:
>     + Abstraction module is removed.
>       It's now two modules driver like others.

Thank you for making this change, I appreciate it.

>     + typedefs are removed except callback function.

Thanks.

>     + LINUX_VERSION checks are removed.

And replaced with the odd BEFORE_2_5 check :)
Please just rip these out and send a version that is only for the 2.5
kernel.

Some of your #ifdef CONFIG_IA64 should be moved to header files only
(and probably documented why you really need to sleep extra amounts for
ia64 machines only.

What's the #ifdef WORK_QUEUE for?

> 	intcphp is much based on cpqphp driver but has been modified to be
> controller independent on DIG64/ACPI compliant IPF servers as well as
> non-ACPI based IA32 servers. Thus code looks similar but integration is not
> that easy and will take time and consents of affected drivers owners.

The code looks _very_ similar.  In fact, at first glance it looks like
almost a straight copy of the existing Compaq code.  Why not just submit
a patch against that driver that adds the extra functionality that you
need for your hardware?  That would be much smaller, and decrease the
amount of duplicated code in the kernel tree.

Also, why doesn't the ACPI PCI hotplug driver work for your machines?
I've seen it work on a very wide range of processors (i386 and ia64),
and manufacturers, and any specific issues with your hardware would
probably be better addressed with patches to the existing ACPI driver.

> 	We understand there needs more integration and cleanup to make
> common codes to pci_hotplug core as you indicated. This task, however,
> requires time and changes in every php driver with owners' consensus on
> common php controller/slot objects, while satisfying requirements in the
> near future. We look forward to discussing this with you and other
> contributors.

Great, I do too.  Please, make a proposal about what to merge into the
core.  I do NOT want to see another driver have to duplicate the PCI
resource management code again without a very good reason for doing it.

> 	Until then, please allow us to co-exist this driver.

There's no rush, let's work together to get this done properly.

thanks,

greg k-h

Re: PCI Hotplug Drivers for 2.5

[KOCHI, Takayoshi]

Hi,

On Wed, 23 Oct 2002 22:10:08 -0700
Greg KH <greg@kroah.com> wrote:

> Also, why doesn't the ACPI PCI hotplug driver work for your machines?
> I've seen it work on a very wide range of processors (i386 and ia64),
> and manufacturers, and any specific issues with your hardware would
> probably be better addressed with patches to the existing ACPI driver.

The ACPI spec provides very limited control of actual hardware
(With ACPI, we don't have common method for controlling such as Bus
speed, LED etc.).
So if a hardware comes with well-documented hotplug controller, we
can achieve finer control over the hardware.

The SHPC specification defines it still depends on ACPI for managing
resources, etc.  So resource management portion can be and *should be*
shared with all PCI hotplug drivers that use ACPI for resource
management.

I think the most important thing is everyone agree on the direction
in which we should go before we code anything, in order not to waste
our time.

Thanks,
-- 
KOCHI, Takayoshi <t-kouchi@cq.jp.nec.com/t-kouchi@mvf.biglobe.ne.jp>

Re: PCI Hotplug Drivers for 2.5

[Greg KH]

On Wed, Oct 23, 2002 at 10:59:34PM -0700, KOCHI, Takayoshi wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> On Wed, 23 Oct 2002 22:10:08 -0700
> Greg KH <greg@kroah.com> wrote:
> 
> > Also, why doesn't the ACPI PCI hotplug driver work for your machines?
> > I've seen it work on a very wide range of processors (i386 and ia64),
> > and manufacturers, and any specific issues with your hardware would
> > probably be better addressed with patches to the existing ACPI driver.
> 
> The ACPI spec provides very limited control of actual hardware
> (With ACPI, we don't have common method for controlling such as Bus
> speed, LED etc.).
> So if a hardware comes with well-documented hotplug controller, we
> can achieve finer control over the hardware.

Ah, I didn't realize this.  So for some machines (like IBM's x440), we
should stick with using the hotplug controller driver, instead of using
the ACPI driver.  Sounds reasonable to me.

> The SHPC specification defines it still depends on ACPI for managing
> resources, etc.  So resource management portion can be and *should be*
> shared with all PCI hotplug drivers that use ACPI for resource
> management.
> 
> I think the most important thing is everyone agree on the direction
> in which we should go before we code anything, in order not to waste
> our time.

I think we now all agree that resource management should move into a
place where it can be shared by all pci hotplug drivers, right?

If so, anyone want to propose some common code?  I think the stuff in
the ACPI driver that was pulled from the Compaq driver is a great start.
I can try to pull this into the core myself, but if the Intel developers
have the time, and energy, I would greatly appreciate their help (or
anyone else who wants to join in.)

thanks,

greg k-h

Re: [Linux-ia64] Re: PCI Hotplug Drivers for 2.5

[Matthew Wilcox]

On Wed, Oct 23, 2002 at 11:12:36PM -0700, Greg KH wrote:
> I think we now all agree that resource management should move into a
> place where it can be shared by all pci hotplug drivers, right?
> 
> If so, anyone want to propose some common code?  I think the stuff in
> the ACPI driver that was pulled from the Compaq driver is a great start.
> I can try to pull this into the core myself, but if the Intel developers
> have the time, and energy, I would greatly appreciate their help (or
> anyone else who wants to join in.)

We already _have_ a lot of common code in drivers/pci, but it's not
compiled in for x86 or ia64.  some other architectures don't assign PCI
resources in the `BIOS' so we get to do it.  setup-bus.c, setup-res.c
and setup-irq.c all seem to duplicate some part of the code currently
found in each and every hotplug driver.

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