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From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>
To: linux-ia64@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [Linux-ia64] reader-writer livelock problem
Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 17:25:24 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <marc-linux-ia64-105590709805359@msgid-missing> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <marc-linux-ia64-105590709805355@msgid-missing>

On 8 Nov 2002, Jeremy Fitzhardinge wrote:
> 
> The normal way of solving this fairness problem is to make pending write
> locks block read lock attempts, so that the reader count is guaranteed
> to drop to zero as read locks are released.  I haven't looked at the
> Linux implementation of rwlocks, so I don't know how hard this is to
> do.  Or perhaps there's some other reason for not implementing it this
> way?

There's another reason for not doing it that way: allowing readers to keep 
interrupts on even in the presense of interrupt uses of readers.

If you do the "pending writes stop readers" approach, you get

		cpu1			cpu2

		read_lock() - get

					write_lock_irq() - pending

		irq happens
		 - read_lock() - deadlock

and that means that you need to make readers protect against interrupts 
even if the interrupts only read themselves.

NOTE! I'm not saying the existing practice is necessarily a good tradeoff,
and maybe we should just make sure to find all such cases and turn the
read_lock() calls into read_lock_irqsave() and then make the rw-locks
block readers on pending writers. But it's certainly more work and cause
for subtler problems than just naively changing the rw implementation.

		Linus



  parent reply	other threads:[~2002-11-08 17:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-11-08  3:23 [Linux-ia64] reader-writer livelock problem Van Maren, Kevin
2002-11-08 17:13 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2002-11-08 17:25 ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2002-11-08 17:28 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-11-08 17:34 ` David Howells
2002-11-08 17:38 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2002-11-08 17:41 ` Van Maren, Kevin
2002-11-08 17:43 ` David Howells
2002-11-08 17:52 ` Matthew Wilcox
2002-11-08 17:54 ` David Howells
2002-11-08 17:55 ` Stephen Hemminger
2002-11-08 18:05 ` Van Maren, Kevin
2002-11-08 19:19 ` Matthew Wilcox
2002-11-08 19:26 ` David Mosberger
2002-11-08 20:17 ` Van Maren, Kevin
2002-11-08 20:39 ` Matthew Wilcox
2002-11-09  2:48 ` Rusty Russell
2002-11-11 16:29 ` Mario Smarduch
2002-11-11 20:01 ` [Linux-ia64] reader-writer livelock proble Mario Smarduch
     [not found] <3FAD1088D4556046AEC48D80B47B478C0101F4E7@usslc-exch-4.slc.unisys.com>
2002-11-08  3:51 ` [Linux-ia64] reader-writer livelock problem William Lee Irwin III
2002-11-08 17:13   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2002-11-08 17:25     ` Linus Torvalds
2002-11-08 17:28       ` Linus Torvalds
2002-11-08 17:38       ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2002-11-08 17:43         ` David Howells
2002-11-08 17:57         ` Linus Torvalds
2002-11-09  2:48         ` Rusty Russell
2002-11-09  4:36           ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-11-08 17:34     ` David Howells
2002-11-08 17:54       ` David Howells
2002-11-08 17:55       ` Stephen Hemminger
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-11-08 17:41 Van Maren, Kevin
2002-11-08 17:52 ` Matthew Wilcox
2002-11-08 18:05 Van Maren, Kevin
2002-11-08 19:19 ` Matthew Wilcox
2002-11-08 19:26   ` David Mosberger
2002-11-08 20:17 Van Maren, Kevin
2002-11-08 20:39 ` Matthew Wilcox
2002-11-08 20:24 Van Maren, Kevin

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