From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>
To: linux-ia64@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [Linux-ia64] reader-writer livelock problem
Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 17:25:24 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <marc-linux-ia64-105590709805359@msgid-missing> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <marc-linux-ia64-105590709805355@msgid-missing>
On 8 Nov 2002, Jeremy Fitzhardinge wrote:
>
> The normal way of solving this fairness problem is to make pending write
> locks block read lock attempts, so that the reader count is guaranteed
> to drop to zero as read locks are released. I haven't looked at the
> Linux implementation of rwlocks, so I don't know how hard this is to
> do. Or perhaps there's some other reason for not implementing it this
> way?
There's another reason for not doing it that way: allowing readers to keep
interrupts on even in the presense of interrupt uses of readers.
If you do the "pending writes stop readers" approach, you get
cpu1 cpu2
read_lock() - get
write_lock_irq() - pending
irq happens
- read_lock() - deadlock
and that means that you need to make readers protect against interrupts
even if the interrupts only read themselves.
NOTE! I'm not saying the existing practice is necessarily a good tradeoff,
and maybe we should just make sure to find all such cases and turn the
read_lock() calls into read_lock_irqsave() and then make the rw-locks
block readers on pending writers. But it's certainly more work and cause
for subtler problems than just naively changing the rw implementation.
Linus
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2002-11-08 17:25 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2002-11-08 3:23 [Linux-ia64] reader-writer livelock problem Van Maren, Kevin
2002-11-08 17:13 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2002-11-08 17:25 ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2002-11-08 17:28 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-11-08 17:34 ` David Howells
2002-11-08 17:38 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2002-11-08 17:41 ` Van Maren, Kevin
2002-11-08 17:43 ` David Howells
2002-11-08 17:52 ` Matthew Wilcox
2002-11-08 17:54 ` David Howells
2002-11-08 17:55 ` Stephen Hemminger
2002-11-08 18:05 ` Van Maren, Kevin
2002-11-08 19:19 ` Matthew Wilcox
2002-11-08 19:26 ` David Mosberger
2002-11-08 20:17 ` Van Maren, Kevin
2002-11-08 20:39 ` Matthew Wilcox
2002-11-09 2:48 ` Rusty Russell
2002-11-11 16:29 ` Mario Smarduch
2002-11-11 20:01 ` [Linux-ia64] reader-writer livelock proble Mario Smarduch
[not found] <3FAD1088D4556046AEC48D80B47B478C0101F4E7@usslc-exch-4.slc.unisys.com>
2002-11-08 3:51 ` [Linux-ia64] reader-writer livelock problem William Lee Irwin III
2002-11-08 17:13 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2002-11-08 17:25 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-11-08 17:28 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-11-08 17:38 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2002-11-08 17:43 ` David Howells
2002-11-08 17:57 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-11-09 2:48 ` Rusty Russell
2002-11-09 4:36 ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-11-08 17:34 ` David Howells
2002-11-08 17:54 ` David Howells
2002-11-08 17:55 ` Stephen Hemminger
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-11-08 17:41 Van Maren, Kevin
2002-11-08 17:52 ` Matthew Wilcox
2002-11-08 18:05 Van Maren, Kevin
2002-11-08 19:19 ` Matthew Wilcox
2002-11-08 19:26 ` David Mosberger
2002-11-08 20:17 Van Maren, Kevin
2002-11-08 20:39 ` Matthew Wilcox
2002-11-08 20:24 Van Maren, Kevin
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