looking for developer/s

looking for developer/s

[TG Kang]

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Hi, all.
Glad to post on this ML again.
We, ESI, are currently looking for developers who are interested in our products and willing to write ALSA-GPLed drivers for them.
We are ready to support ALSA developers who have been feeling inconvenience to see ESI's products out of linux boundary, and those who have been complaining of ESI's ignorance to their effort, so far.
Among our products, Prodigy7.1 and QuataFire610 are on the top of the wish list for now, but it doesn't mean we put aside other products.
Anyone who wants to contact us in this regards, please don't hesitate.
The contact point is:  tg( a t )egosys.net

Regards,

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Re: looking for developer/s

[Giuliano Pochini]

On Fri, 16 Jul 2004 09:58:19 +0900
TG Kang <tg@egosys.net> wrote:

> Among our products, Prodigy7.1 and QuataFire610 are on the top of the wish
> list for now, but it doesn't mean we put aside other products.

If this:

http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/template.php?company=AudioTrak&card=Prodigy&chip=Envy24HT&module=ice1724

is the Prodigy7.1 you're talking about, it's already supported. I don't
know if the driver supports all the features of the card, though.


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Giuliano.


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Re: looking for developer/s

[Takashi Iwai]

Hi,

could you resend the mail in a more readable format than BASE64
for convenience?


thanks,

Takashi


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Re: looking for developer/s

[TG Kang]

> Hi,
> 
> could you resend the mail in a more readable format than BASE64
> for convenience?
> 
> 
> thanks,
> 
> Takashi
> 

Hi, all.
Glad to post on this ML again.
We, ESI, are currently looking for developers who are interested in our products and willing to write ALSA-GPLed drivers for them.
We are ready to support ALSA developers who have been feeling inconvenience to see ESI's products out of linux boundary, and those who have been complaining of ESI's ignorance to their effort, so far.
Among our products, Prodigy7.1 and QuataFire610 are on the top of the wish list for now, but it doesn't mean we put aside other products.
Anyone who wants to contact us in this regards, please don't hesitate.
The contact point is:  tg( a t )egosys.net

Regards,

TG

Re: looking for developer/s

[Takashi Iwai]

Hi TG,

first of all, it's great to see that ESI joins us!

At Mon, 2 Aug 2004 09:06:32 +0900,
TG Kang wrote:
> 
> Hi, all.
> Glad to post on this ML again.
> We, ESI, are currently looking for developers who are interested in
> our products and willing to write ALSA-GPLed drivers for them. 
> We are ready to support ALSA developers who have been feeling
> inconvenience to see ESI's products out of linux boundary, and those
> who have been complaining of ESI's ignorance to their effort, so far.
> 
> Among our products, Prodigy7.1 and QuataFire610 are on the top of
> the wish list for now, but it doesn't mean we put aside other
> products. 
> Anyone who wants to contact us in this regards, please don't
> hesitate. 
> The contact point is:  tg( a t )egosys.net

As mentioned before, Prodigy7.1 is already supported in some level by
ice1724 driver.  If you find any lacking features, please let us
know.  With a necessary datasheet or sample driver codes, we can fix
the existing driver.  Also, if you have similar products (e.g. based
on the same chipset), it would be easy to port it.  The ice1712-based
cards wouldn't be too hard to support, too.  M-Audio and Terratec
boards are supported as well.

FireWire is becoming now a 'hot theme'.  Currently, some people seem
working on this but on different products.  IIRC, Daniel Wagner and
Thomas Charbonnel get involved.  Please let us know if any other
people are working, too.  I'd like to keep the discussion over
firewire support as open as possible.

USB audio is already supported -- when the device follows *really* USB
audio/midi spec, it should work as it is.  If any vendor-specific
workaround is needed, we need to add a quirk entry.  If a firmware is
needed, the problem will be much harder...


Regarding the support from Egosys - how well is it supposed to be?
Can we get the full datasheet, and/or Win/Mac driver codes?
How about the test hardware?


thanks,

--
Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de>		ALSA Developer - www.alsa-project.org


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Re: looking for developer/s

[James Courtier-Dutton]

Takashi Iwai wrote:
> Hi TG,
> 
> first of all, it's great to see that ESI joins us!
> 
> At Mon, 2 Aug 2004 09:06:32 +0900,
> TG Kang wrote:
> 
>>Hi, all.
>>Glad to post on this ML again.
>>We, ESI, are currently looking for developers who are interested in
>>our products and willing to write ALSA-GPLed drivers for them. 
>>We are ready to support ALSA developers who have been feeling
>>inconvenience to see ESI's products out of linux boundary, and those
>>who have been complaining of ESI's ignorance to their effort, so far.
>>
>>Among our products, Prodigy7.1 and QuataFire610 are on the top of
>>the wish list for now, but it doesn't mean we put aside other
>>products. 
>>Anyone who wants to contact us in this regards, please don't
>>hesitate. 
>>The contact point is:  tg( a t )egosys.net
> 
> 
> As mentioned before, Prodigy7.1 is already supported in some level by
> ice1724 driver.  If you find any lacking features, please let us
> know.  With a necessary datasheet or sample driver codes, we can fix
> the existing driver.  Also, if you have similar products (e.g. based
> on the same chipset), it would be easy to port it.  The ice1712-based
> cards wouldn't be too hard to support, too.  M-Audio and Terratec
> boards are supported as well.
> 
> FireWire is becoming now a 'hot theme'.  Currently, some people seem
> working on this but on different products.  IIRC, Daniel Wagner and
> Thomas Charbonnel get involved.  Please let us know if any other
> people are working, too.  I'd like to keep the discussion over
> firewire support as open as possible.
> 
> USB audio is already supported -- when the device follows *really* USB
> audio/midi spec, it should work as it is.  If any vendor-specific
> workaround is needed, we need to add a quirk entry.  If a firmware is
> needed, the problem will be much harder...
> 
> 
> Regarding the support from Egosys - how well is it supposed to be?
> Can we get the full datasheet, and/or Win/Mac driver codes?
> How about the test hardware?
> 
> 
> thanks,
> 
> --
> Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de>		ALSA Developer - www.alsa-project.org
> 

My Questions are the same as Takashi's. The best initial support that 
Egosys could give the linux community is the publishing of datasheets.
You seem to keep offering "support" but never actually deliver any 
answers to our questions, or any datasheets.




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Re: looking for developer/s

[TG Kang]

Hi,

> > As mentioned before, Prodigy7.1 is already supported in some level by
> > ice1724 driver.  If you find any lacking features, please let us
> > know.  With a necessary datasheet or sample driver codes, we can fix
> > the existing driver.  Also, if you have similar products (e.g. based
> > on the same chipset), it would be easy to port it.  The ice1712-based
> > cards wouldn't be too hard to support, too.  M-Audio and Terratec
> > boards are supported as well.
> > 
> > FireWire is becoming now a 'hot theme'.  Currently, some people seem
> > working on this but on different products.  IIRC, Daniel Wagner and
> > Thomas Charbonnel get involved.  Please let us know if any other
> > people are working, too.  I'd like to keep the discussion over
> > firewire support as open as possible.

We already talked to one of those you are mentioning.
And, as said on the initial posting, not only the two products are on the list.
 
> > 
> > USB audio is already supported -- when the device follows *really* USB
> > audio/midi spec, it should work as it is.  If any vendor-specific
> > workaround is needed, we need to add a quirk entry.  If a firmware is
> > needed, the problem will be much harder...
> > 
> > 
> > Regarding the support from Egosys - how well is it supposed to be?
> > Can we get the full datasheet, and/or Win/Mac driver codes?
> > How about the test hardware?

At first, once we find developer(s) who is working on or willing to work on writing driver for our product, the datasheet as well as the test hardware will be offered.
That's the way we choose how to offer datasheets among the possible ways.

> > 
> > 
> > thanks,
> > 
> > --
> > Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de> ALSA Developer - www.alsa-project.org
> > 
> 
> My Questions are the same as Takashi's. The best initial support that 
> Egosys could give the linux community is the publishing of datasheets.
> You seem to keep offering "support" but never actually deliver any 
> answers to our questions, or any datasheets.
> 

Same as above.
That's why we posted this message "looking for developer".

We are open to any question or suggestion.

Thanks and regards,


TG
 
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Re: looking for developer/s

[Peter Zubaj]

Then, try to get Takashi Iwai :-)



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Re: looking for developer/s

[Takashi Iwai]

Hi James,

At Mon, 02 Aug 2004 11:54:12 +0100,
James Courtier-Dutton wrote:
> 
> My Questions are the same as Takashi's. The best initial support that 
> Egosys could give the linux community is the publishing of datasheets.
> You seem to keep offering "support" but never actually deliver any 
> answers to our questions, or any datasheets.

Well, I don't want to blame that.  It's partly because _we_ don't
provide the necessary information on web as the "standard" procedure
to join to the open-source, specifically ALSA development...

Missing documentation - like always ;)


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Re: looking for developer/s

[GCZ]

Takashi Iwai wrote:

> on the same chipset), it would be easy to port it.  The ice1712-based
> cards wouldn't be too hard to support, too.  M-Audio and Terratec
> boards are supported as well.

What about the ice1714-based cards? Saying they are supported is
misleading. There's nothing on the website or the wiki that mentions this:
https://bugtrack.alsa-project.org/alsa-bug/bug_view_advanced_page.php?bug_id=0000410

Sorry for the rant, but I did check the website before I bought my
Aureon 5.1 Sky. I really hope someone will fix the driver's issues.



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Re: looking for developer/s

[James Courtier-Dutton]

Takashi Iwai wrote:
> Hi James,
> 
> At Mon, 02 Aug 2004 11:54:12 +0100,
> James Courtier-Dutton wrote:
> 
>>My Questions are the same as Takashi's. The best initial support that 
>>Egosys could give the linux community is the publishing of datasheets.
>>You seem to keep offering "support" but never actually deliver any 
>>answers to our questions, or any datasheets.
> 
> 
> Well, I don't want to blame that.  It's partly because _we_ don't
> provide the necessary information on web as the "standard" procedure
> to join to the open-source, specifically ALSA development...
> 
> Missing documentation - like always ;)
> 
> 
> Takashi
> 
> 

Takashi,

I think you are correct there. We should have a very clear link on the 
www.alsa-project.org front page, linking to a web page specifically 
targeted at Corporate Customers and Manufacturers.

We already have pages detailing our views and wishes regarding what we 
would like from Manufacturers.

I think the link from the www.alsa-project.org front page "Getting 
support for your hardware." is good for Manufacturers.

I would very much like to write an alsa driver for egosys.net, but I 
will not spend any time on it until I see datasheets.

James


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Re: looking for developer/s

[Takashi Iwai]

At Mon, 02 Aug 2004 14:52:23 +0200,
GCZ wrote:
> 
> Takashi Iwai wrote:
> 
> > on the same chipset), it would be easy to port it.  The ice1712-based
> > cards wouldn't be too hard to support, too.  M-Audio and Terratec
> > boards are supported as well.
> 
> What about the ice1714-based cards?

You mean ice1724 (aka vt1724)?

> Saying they are supported is
> misleading.

All the features of vt1724 are supported.

>  There's nothing on the website or the wiki that mentions this:
> https://bugtrack.alsa-project.org/alsa-bug/bug_view_advanced_page.php?bug_id=0000410

Well, it's misleading.  The feature above is added by the hardware
(board) vendor, not the core function of vt1724.  Unless the vendor
gives us the precise information, we can't fix the problem.

> Sorry for the rant, but I did check the website before I bought my
> Aureon 5.1 Sky. I really hope someone will fix the driver's issues.

Please ask Terratec about this.  We have no technical information
about this particular problem.


Takashi


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Re: looking for developer/s

[GCZ]

Takashi Iwai wrote:

> You mean ice1724 (aka vt1724)?

Yes, sorry for the typo.

> Well, it's misleading.  The feature above is added by the hardware
> (board) vendor, not the core function of vt1724.  Unless the vendor
> gives us the precise information, we can't fix the problem.

Hum, I didn't know that. But then again, the ALSA sound card matrix 
lists *products*, and associates them with chipsets. So if a chipset is 
listed and said to be fully supported, I can only assume, if no more 
information is given, that the sound card is fully supported as well.

> Please ask Terratec about this.  We have no technical information
> about this particular problem.

I did, yesterday. I suggested that perhaps more documentation on their 
product was needed.

Thank you for your reply, now at least I know what's needed.


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