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From: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
To: Duy Nguyen <pclouds@gmail.com>
Cc: Stefan Beller <sbeller@google.com>,
	Git Mailing List <git@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC/PATCH 0/3] protocol v2
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 15:05:58 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <xmqqioenhs4p.fsf@gitster.dls.corp.google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <xmqqzj80l9c7.fsf@gitster.dls.corp.google.com> (Junio C. Hamano's message of "Thu, 26 Feb 2015 12:13:44 -0800")

Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com> writes:

> I do not think v1 can be fixed by "send one ref with capability,
> newer client may respond immediately so we can stop enumerating
> remaining refs and older one will get stuck so we can have a timeout
> to see if the connection is from the newer one, and send the rest
> for the older client", because anything that involves such a timeout
> would not reliably work over WAN.

Just for fun, I was trying to see if there is a hole in the current
protocol that allows a new client to talk a valid v1 protocol
exchange with existing, deployed servers without breaking, while
letting it to know a new server that it is a new client and it does
not want to get blasted by megabytes of ref advertisement.

The idea is to find a request that can be sent as the first
utterance by the client to an old server that is interpreted as a
no-op and can be recognised by a new server as such a "no-op probe".
If there is such a request, then the exchange can go like this with
(new client, old server) pair:

    - new client connects and sends that no-op.

    - old server starts blasting the ref advertisement

    - new client monitors and notices that the other side
      started speaking, and the ref advertisement lacks the
      capability bit for new protocol.

    - new client accepts the ref advertisement and does the v1
      protocol thing as a follow-up to what it already sent.

As long as the first one turns out to be no-op for old server, we
would be OK.  On the other hand, (new client, new server) pair
would go like this:

    - new client connects and sends that no-op.

    - new server notices that there is already a data from the
      client, and recognises the "no-op probe".

    - new server gives the first v2 protocol message with
      capability.

    - new client notices thqat the other side started speaking, and
      it is the first v2 protocol message.

    - both sides happily speak v2.

and (old client, new server) pair would go like this:

    - old client connects and waits.

    - new server notices that there is *no* data sent from the
      client and decides that the other side is a v1 client.  It
      starts blasting the ref advertisement.

    - both sides happily speak v1 from here on.

A misdetected case between (new client, new server) pair might go
like this:

    - new client connects and sends that no-op.

    - new server accepts the connection, but that no-op probe has
      not arrived yet.".  It misdetects the other side as a v1
      client and it starts blasting the ref advertisement.

    - new client notices that the ref advertisement has the
      capability bit and the server is capable of v2 protocol.  it
      waits until the server sends "sorry, I misdetected" message.

    - new server eventually notices the "no-op probe" while blasting
      the ref advertisement and it can stop in the middle.
      hopefully this can happen after only sending a few kilobytes
      among megabytes of ref advertisement data ;-).  The server
      sends "sorry, I misdetected" message to synchronise.

    - both sides happily speak v2 from here on.

So the topic of this exercise ("just for fun") is to see if there is
such a no-op request the client side can send as the first thing for
probing.

On the fetch side, the first response upload-pack expects are one
of:

  - "want " followed by an object name.
  - "shallow " followed by an object name.
  - "deepen " followed by a positive integer.

And there _is_ a hole ;-).  The parsing of "shallow " object name is
done in such a way that an object name that passes get_sha1_hex()
that results in a NULL return from parse_object() is _ignored_.  So
a new client can use "shallow 0{40}" as a no-op probe.

It appears that on the push side, there is a similar hole that can
be used. receive-pack expects either "shallow ", "push-cert" or the
refname updates (i.e. two "[0-9a-f]{40}" followed by a refname); the
parsing of "shallow " is not as loose as the fetch side in that
using a "shallow 0{40}" as a no-op probe will end up causing
prepare_shallow_info() sift the "0{40}" object name into "theirs",
but I think it will be ignored at the end as "unreachable cruft"
without causing harm.

I am _not_ proposing that we should go this route, at least not yet.
I am merely pointing out that an in-place sidegrade from v1 to a
protocol that avoids the megabyte-advertisement-at-the-beginning
seems to be possible, as a food for thought.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-02-27 23:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 80+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-02-24  3:12 [RFC/PATCH 0/3] protocol v2 Stefan Beller
2015-02-24  3:12 ` [PATCH 1/3] Document protocol capabilities extension Stefan Beller
2015-02-24  3:12 ` [PATCH 2/3] receive-pack: add advertisement of different protocol options Stefan Beller
2015-02-24  3:12 ` [PATCH 3/3] receive-pack: enable protocol v2 Stefan Beller
2015-02-24  4:02 ` [RFC/PATCH 0/3] " Duy Nguyen
2015-02-24  5:40   ` Stefan Beller
2015-02-24  6:15   ` Junio C Hamano
2015-02-24 23:37     ` Stefan Beller
2015-02-25 12:44       ` Duy Nguyen
2015-02-25 18:04         ` Junio C Hamano
2015-02-26  7:31           ` Stefan Beller
2015-02-26 10:15             ` Duy Nguyen
2015-02-26 20:08               ` Stefan Beller
     [not found]                 ` <CACsJy8DOS_999ZgW7TqsH-dkrUFpjZf0TFQeFUt9s0bNhHY0Bw@mail.gmail.com>
2015-02-27 22:20                   ` Stefan Beller
2015-02-26 20:13               ` Junio C Hamano
2015-02-27  1:26                 ` Stefan Beller
2015-02-27  2:15                   ` Stefan Beller
2015-02-27 23:05                 ` Junio C Hamano [this message]
2015-02-27 23:44                   ` Stefan Beller
2015-02-28  0:33                     ` Junio C Hamano
2015-02-28  0:46                       ` Stefan Beller
2015-02-28  1:01                         ` [RFC/PATCH 0/5] protocol v2 for upload-pack Stefan Beller
2015-02-28  1:01                           ` [RFC/PATCH 1/5] upload-pack: only accept capabilities on the first "want" line Stefan Beller
2015-02-28  1:01                           ` [RFC/PATCH 2/5] upload-pack: support out of band client capability requests Stefan Beller
2015-02-28  7:47                             ` Kyle J. McKay
2015-02-28 11:22                               ` Duy Nguyen
2015-02-28 22:36                                 ` Kyle J. McKay
2015-03-01  0:11                                   ` Duy Nguyen
2015-02-28 11:36                             ` Duy Nguyen
2015-02-28  1:01                           ` [RFC/PATCH 3/5] connect.c: connect to a remote service with some flags Stefan Beller
2015-02-28 11:11                             ` Torsten Bögershausen
2015-03-01  3:22                             ` Junio C Hamano
2015-02-28  1:01                           ` [RFC/PATCH 4/5] daemon.c: accept extra service arguments Stefan Beller
2015-03-01  3:39                             ` Junio C Hamano
2015-02-28  1:01                           ` [RFC/PATCH 5/5] WIP/Document the http protocol change Stefan Beller
2015-02-28 12:26                             ` Duy Nguyen
2015-03-01  9:11                           ` [RFC/PATCH 0/5] protocol v2 for upload-pack Johannes Sixt
2015-03-02  2:58                             ` Junio C Hamano
2015-03-02  3:47                         ` [RFC/PATCH 0/3] protocol v2 Junio C Hamano
2015-03-02  9:21                           ` Duy Nguyen
2015-03-02  9:24                             ` Duy Nguyen
2015-03-03 10:33                             ` Duy Nguyen
2015-03-03 17:13                               ` Junio C Hamano
2015-03-03 19:47                                 ` Junio C Hamano
2015-03-04  1:54                                 ` Duy Nguyen
2015-03-04  4:27                                   ` Shawn Pearce
2015-03-04 12:05                                     ` Duy Nguyen
2015-03-04 19:10                                       ` Shawn Pearce
2015-03-05  1:03                                         ` Stefan Beller
2015-03-05 16:03                                           ` Stefan Beller
2015-03-24 17:42                                 ` Stefan Beller
2015-03-24 18:00                                   ` Junio C Hamano
2015-03-06 23:38                             ` [PATCH] protocol upload-pack-v2 Stefan Beller
2015-03-06 23:40                               ` Stefan Beller
2015-03-06 23:55                               ` Duy Nguyen
2015-03-07  0:00                               ` Duy Nguyen
2015-03-07  0:28                               ` Junio C Hamano
2015-03-07  4:28                                 ` Stefan Beller
2015-03-07  5:21                                   ` Duy Nguyen
2015-03-08 20:36                                   ` Junio C Hamano
2015-03-31 19:58                                     ` Junio C Hamano
2015-04-02 12:37                                       ` Duy Nguyen
2015-04-02 14:45                                         ` Junio C Hamano
2015-04-02 22:18                                       ` Martin Fick
2015-04-02 22:58                                         ` Junio C Hamano
2015-04-02 23:00                                         ` Stefan Beller
2015-04-02 23:14                                           ` Stefan Beller
2015-03-10  1:38                               ` Duy Nguyen
2015-03-10 19:36                                 ` Kyle J. McKay
2015-02-28  0:07                   ` [RFC/PATCH 0/3] protocol v2 Duy Nguyen
2015-02-28  0:26                     ` Junio C Hamano
2015-03-01  8:41     ` Junio C Hamano
2015-03-01 11:32       ` Duy Nguyen
2015-03-01 19:56         ` Stefan Beller
2015-03-02  1:05           ` David Lang
2015-03-01 23:06         ` Junio C Hamano
2015-03-02  1:09           ` David Lang
2015-03-02  3:10             ` Junio C Hamano
2015-03-01 23:06       ` Philip Oakley
2015-03-02  9:32         ` Duy Nguyen

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