From: Dominick Grift <dominick.grift@defensec.nl>
To: Vivek Goyal <vgoyal@redhat.com>
Cc: Paul Moore <paul@paul-moore.com>,
Ondrej Mosnacek <omosnace@redhat.com>,
SElinux list <selinux@vger.kernel.org>,
Stephen Smalley <stephen.smalley.work@gmail.com>,
Daniel Walsh <dwalsh@redhat.com>,
Zdenek Pytela <zpytela@redhat.com>,
virtio-fs-list <virtio-fs@redhat.com>,
Miklos Szeredi <mszeredi@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: virtiofs and its optional xattr support vs. fs_use_xattr
Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2020 22:22:35 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <ypjlczzlmhus.fsf@defensec.nl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20201207205209.GD3107@redhat.com> (Vivek Goyal's message of "Mon, 7 Dec 2020 15:52:09 -0500")
Vivek Goyal <vgoyal@redhat.com> writes:
> On Mon, Dec 07, 2020 at 10:03:24AM -0500, Paul Moore wrote:
>> On Mon, Dec 7, 2020 at 9:43 AM Ondrej Mosnacek <omosnace@redhat.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi everyone,
>> >
>> > In [1] we ran into a problem with the current handling of filesystem
>> > labeling rules. Basically, it is only possible to specify either
>> > genfscon or fs_use_xattr for a given filesystem, but in the case of
>> > virtiofs, certain mounts may support security xattrs, while other ones
>> > may not.
>>
>
> [ cc virtio-fs list and miklos ]
>> Quickly skimming the linked GH issue, it appears that the problem
>> really lies in the fact that virtiofs allows one to enable/disable
>> xattrs at mount time. What isn't clear to me is why one would need to
>> disable xattrs, can you explain that use case? Why does enabling
>> xattrs in virtiofs cause problems?
>
> Its not exactly a mount time option. Its a virtiofs file server option.
>
> xattr support by default is disabled because it has performance
> penalty. Users can enable it if they want to.
if SELinux is enabled then you should preferably just use fs_use xattr unconditionally
>
> So if virtiofsd starts without xattr support and somebody runs a
> VM with SELinux enabled, they should still be able to mount virtiofs,
> I guess (instead of failing it).
SELinux requires that everything is always labeled one way or another
and so if SELinux is enabled one should either use genfscon or fs_use xattr
Since is support fs_use xattr that should be the default and if any
would for any reason want to replace that with genfscon then that is
something they have to address (by excluding the fs_use xattr rule and
replacing it with a genfscon rule (not sure why anyone would ever want
that)
Gist is that if SELinux is enabled then one of the two should be
present, preferably fs_use xattr (so thats the default).
>
> Thanks
> Vivek
>
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From: Dominick Grift <dominick.grift@defensec.nl>
To: Vivek Goyal <vgoyal@redhat.com>
Cc: Paul Moore <paul@paul-moore.com>,
SElinux list <selinux@vger.kernel.org>,
Smalley <stephen.smalley.work@gmail.com>,
Ondrej Mosnacek <omosnace@redhat.com>,
virtio-fs-list <virtio-fs@redhat.com>,
Stephen, Zdenek Pytela <zpytela@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Virtio-fs] virtiofs and its optional xattr support vs. fs_use_xattr
Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2020 22:22:35 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <ypjlczzlmhus.fsf@defensec.nl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20201207205209.GD3107@redhat.com> (Vivek Goyal's message of "Mon, 7 Dec 2020 15:52:09 -0500")
Vivek Goyal <vgoyal@redhat.com> writes:
> On Mon, Dec 07, 2020 at 10:03:24AM -0500, Paul Moore wrote:
>> On Mon, Dec 7, 2020 at 9:43 AM Ondrej Mosnacek <omosnace@redhat.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi everyone,
>> >
>> > In [1] we ran into a problem with the current handling of filesystem
>> > labeling rules. Basically, it is only possible to specify either
>> > genfscon or fs_use_xattr for a given filesystem, but in the case of
>> > virtiofs, certain mounts may support security xattrs, while other ones
>> > may not.
>>
>
> [ cc virtio-fs list and miklos ]
>> Quickly skimming the linked GH issue, it appears that the problem
>> really lies in the fact that virtiofs allows one to enable/disable
>> xattrs at mount time. What isn't clear to me is why one would need to
>> disable xattrs, can you explain that use case? Why does enabling
>> xattrs in virtiofs cause problems?
>
> Its not exactly a mount time option. Its a virtiofs file server option.
>
> xattr support by default is disabled because it has performance
> penalty. Users can enable it if they want to.
if SELinux is enabled then you should preferably just use fs_use xattr unconditionally
>
> So if virtiofsd starts without xattr support and somebody runs a
> VM with SELinux enabled, they should still be able to mount virtiofs,
> I guess (instead of failing it).
SELinux requires that everything is always labeled one way or another
and so if SELinux is enabled one should either use genfscon or fs_use xattr
Since is support fs_use xattr that should be the default and if any
would for any reason want to replace that with genfscon then that is
something they have to address (by excluding the fs_use xattr rule and
replacing it with a genfscon rule (not sure why anyone would ever want
that)
Gist is that if SELinux is enabled then one of the two should be
present, preferably fs_use xattr (so thats the default).
>
> Thanks
> Vivek
>
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2020-12-07 21:32 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2020-12-07 14:42 virtiofs and its optional xattr support vs. fs_use_xattr Ondrej Mosnacek
2020-12-07 15:03 ` Paul Moore
2020-12-07 20:52 ` Vivek Goyal
2020-12-07 20:52 ` [Virtio-fs] " Vivek Goyal
2020-12-07 21:06 ` Harry G. Coin
2020-12-07 21:22 ` Dominick Grift [this message]
2020-12-07 21:22 ` Dominick Grift
2020-12-08 14:33 ` Vivek Goyal
2020-12-08 14:33 ` [Virtio-fs] " Vivek Goyal
2020-12-08 15:13 ` Dominick Grift
2020-12-08 15:13 ` [Virtio-fs] " Dominick Grift
2020-12-08 23:41 ` Paul Moore
2020-12-08 23:41 ` [Virtio-fs] " Paul Moore
2020-12-07 17:17 ` James Carter
2020-12-08 23:45 ` Paul Moore
2020-12-09 15:37 ` James Carter
2020-12-10 2:39 ` Paul Moore
2020-12-10 9:29 ` Ondrej Mosnacek
2020-12-10 22:17 ` Vivek Goyal
2020-12-10 22:24 ` Ondrej Mosnacek
2020-12-10 22:30 ` Vivek Goyal
2020-12-11 9:15 ` Ondrej Mosnacek
2020-12-11 13:29 ` Vivek Goyal
2021-01-04 20:14 ` Vivek Goyal
2021-01-05 14:00 ` Ondrej Mosnacek
2021-01-05 14:21 ` Vivek Goyal
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