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From: sylvain.bertrand@gmail.com
To: Pierre-Louis Bossart <pierre-louis.bossart@linux.intel.com>
Cc: Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de>,
	alsa-devel@alsa-project.org,
	Kai Vehmanen <kai.vehmanen@linux.intel.com>
Subject: Re: sw_params for a direct-ed(dmix) hw pcm
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2020 20:37:44 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200328203744.GA2398@freedom> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1baab0fd-d802-3707-645f-d5dc4bf6c32c@linux.intel.com>

On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 02:15:34PM -0500, Pierre-Louis Bossart wrote:
> I don't think it's possible unless the timestamps are taken really close to
> each other. There was some work some by Chris Hall in 2016 to revisit how
> the conversions were done and the past taken into account is a couple of ms,
> see ("time: Add history to cross timestamp interface supporting slower
> devices").
> 
> if your device is "shared", which implies a mixer, the notion of precise
> timestamps is rather questionable so you might be able to get-by with local
> interpolation in your plug-ins. Trying a full-blown conversion of the
> kernel-reported time is not really useful if the mixing granularity is in
> the ms range or more.
> 
> FWIW you also want to take MONOTONIC_RAW with a grain of salt. In a corner
> case w/ long tests lasting 48 hours we saw the timestamps reported by the
> kernel drift over time. the drift was minor (double-digit ppb - yes parts
> per billion) but the fixed-point math for the counters at some point impacts
> the results. Reading directly the TSC from userspace and doing
> floating-point math bypassed the rounding errors.

This is how I got into this: I was writting a naive audio application and
arrived at the point I needed timing information to do exactly that, a rough,
but enough, audio linear interpolation (with ffmpeg timestamp). I naively
configured alsa to use monotonic_raw, because avoiding ntp for audio timing was
a good idea, and when I did sample on my side the monotonic raw clock, I
realised that everything was off 100s of ms (alsa defaults to monotonic and
ignores monotonic_raw setting in the case of a shared device). I followed the
white rabbit, and here I stand. The cherry on top was the inconsistency about
the trigger timestamp (which is not meant to be close to the other timestamps).

This pushes to fix snd_pcm_sw_params_set_tstamp_type(): recursive along a pcm
plugin "pipeline" and return an error in the case of a setting difference from
the one chosen by dmix.
I am not confident at all since I have only a minimal perspective on alsa.

-- 
Sylvain

  reply	other threads:[~2020-03-28 20:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-03-21 15:53 monotonic raw setup seems buggy sylvain.bertrand
2020-03-25 17:44 ` sw_params for a direct-ed(dmix) hw pcm sylvain.bertrand
2020-03-26 12:02   ` Kai Vehmanen
2020-03-26 14:36     ` Jaroslav Kysela
2020-03-26 20:04       ` sylvain.bertrand
2020-03-27  8:08         ` Takashi Iwai
2020-03-27  9:40           ` Jaroslav Kysela
2020-03-28 18:26             ` sylvain.bertrand
2020-03-28 19:15               ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2020-03-28 20:37                 ` sylvain.bertrand [this message]
2020-03-28 21:34                   ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2020-03-28 22:20                     ` sylvain.bertrand
2020-03-29  7:43                       ` Takashi Iwai
2020-03-31 11:32                         ` Takashi Iwai
2020-04-01 15:25                           ` sylvain.bertrand
2020-04-01 15:59                             ` Takashi Iwai
2020-04-01 20:21                               ` sylvain.bertrand
2020-04-02 19:03                                 ` sylvain.bertrand
2020-04-06 13:49                                   ` sylvain.bertrand
2020-04-14 15:18                                     ` Takashi Iwai
2020-04-14 23:20                                       ` sylvain.bertrand

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