Re: PC speaker beeps in 2.6.30?

Re: PC speaker beeps in 2.6.30?

[Michael Tokarev]

[Adding some more Cc's...]

Am I the only concerned about this?  My 2.6.30 is still
silent w.r.t. old good PC speaker beeps, and I wasn't
able to make it to produce any sound.  Yes, as pointed
out by others there is a control now, in alsa, and I
can hear ugly and scary beeps from my stereo speakers
(when they're turned on and when the control is un-muted).
But that's.. not a solution/answer to the original
question... ;)

Thanks!

Michael Tokarev wrote at Mon, 15 Jun 2009 18:41:42 +0400:
> Anyone know what happened with PC speaker in 2.6.30?
> Basically, it does not work anymore here, with the
> config which is very similar to the one used for
> previous 2.6.29 kernel (where PC speaker worked).
> At least I don't see any relevant differences and
> the (seemengly) relevant symbols -- which are
> INPUT_PCSPKR and PCSPKR_PLATFORM -- are both set
> to 'y' for both 2.6.29 and 2.6.30.
> 
> Help? :)
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> /mjt

Re: [alsa-devel] PC speaker beeps in 2.6.30?

[Takashi Iwai]

At Fri, 26 Jun 2009 10:03:54 +0400,
Michael Tokarev wrote:
> 
> [Adding some more Cc's...]
> 
> Am I the only concerned about this?  My 2.6.30 is still
> silent w.r.t. old good PC speaker beeps, and I wasn't
> able to make it to produce any sound.  Yes, as pointed
> out by others there is a control now, in alsa, and I
> can hear ugly and scary beeps from my stereo speakers
> (when they're turned on and when the control is un-muted).
> But that's.. not a solution/answer to the original
> question... ;)

Try 2.6.31-rc1.  There was a fix regarding beep frequency.


Takashi

Re: [alsa-devel] PC speaker beeps in 2.6.30?

[Michael Tokarev]

Takashi Iwai wrote:
> At Fri, 26 Jun 2009 10:03:54 +0400,
> Michael Tokarev wrote:
>> [Adding some more Cc's...]
>>
>> Am I the only concerned about this?  My 2.6.30 is still
>> silent w.r.t. old good PC speaker beeps, and I wasn't
>> able to make it to produce any sound.  Yes, as pointed
>> out by others there is a control now, in alsa, and I
>> can hear ugly and scary beeps from my stereo speakers
>> (when they're turned on and when the control is un-muted).
>> But that's.. not a solution/answer to the original
>> question... ;)
> 
> Try 2.6.31-rc1.  There was a fix regarding beep frequency.

You mean this one:

commit fa7979663190240b838ab8c8bad7f59e618bf77c
Author: Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de>
Date:   Tue May 19 12:50:04 2009 +0200

     ALSA: hda - Fix digital beep tone calculation

?

Note it's about alsa/hda beep.  Probably to make my new
"alsa beeps" less scary.  But I'm asking about PC speaker --
see the $subject line.  I'm missing PC speaker beeps, not
alsa beeps.

Thanks!

/mjt

Re: PC speaker beeps in 2.6.30?

[Paul Vojta]

On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 09:36:42AM +0200, Takashi Iwai wrote:
> At Fri, 26 Jun 2009 10:03:54 +0400,
> Michael Tokarev wrote:
> > 
> > [Adding some more Cc's...]
> > 
> > Am I the only concerned about this?  My 2.6.30 is still
> > silent w.r.t. old good PC speaker beeps, and I wasn't
> > able to make it to produce any sound.  Yes, as pointed
> > out by others there is a control now, in alsa, and I
> > can hear ugly and scary beeps from my stereo speakers
> > (when they're turned on and when the control is un-muted).
> > But that's.. not a solution/answer to the original
> > question... ;)
> 
> Try 2.6.31-rc1.  There was a fix regarding beep frequency.

Not necessarily.  Based on the OP's original post, as well as his mails
to the LKML (Google the subject line to find them), he has a desktop
system with external powered speakers connected to a sound card, and also
a small PC speaker inside the system case.  He wants to hear the beeps
coming out of the small speaker, since the external speakers (and/or sound
card) are not always turned on.

For that, try turning off SND_HDA_INPUT_BEEP.

(Regarding the beep frequency issue, the patch in 2.6.31-rc1 works for
all HDA codecs *EXCEPT* sigmatel/idt.  For sigmatel/idt, please see the
patch in bug #0004556.)

--Paul Vojta, vojta@math.berkeley.edu

Re: PC speaker beeps in 2.6.30?

[Takashi Iwai]

At Sat, 27 Jun 2009 23:39:08 -0700,
Paul Vojta wrote:
> 
> On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 09:36:42AM +0200, Takashi Iwai wrote:
> > At Fri, 26 Jun 2009 10:03:54 +0400,
> > Michael Tokarev wrote:
> > > 
> > > [Adding some more Cc's...]
> > > 
> > > Am I the only concerned about this?  My 2.6.30 is still
> > > silent w.r.t. old good PC speaker beeps, and I wasn't
> > > able to make it to produce any sound.  Yes, as pointed
> > > out by others there is a control now, in alsa, and I
> > > can hear ugly and scary beeps from my stereo speakers
> > > (when they're turned on and when the control is un-muted).
> > > But that's.. not a solution/answer to the original
> > > question... ;)
> > 
> > Try 2.6.31-rc1.  There was a fix regarding beep frequency.
> 
> Not necessarily.  Based on the OP's original post, as well as his mails
> to the LKML (Google the subject line to find them), he has a desktop
> system with external powered speakers connected to a sound card, and also
> a small PC speaker inside the system case.  He wants to hear the beeps
> coming out of the small speaker, since the external speakers (and/or sound
> card) are not always turned on.

To avoid someone misunderstanding: the beep routed through HD-audio
can also go to the built-in speaker.  It's just mixed up with the
normal audio output, and the volume is controlled via ALSA mixer 
volume element.

But, once after it's hooked up to the codec, the beep can't be output
separately to the speaker.  It's always with other audio signal to the
same output target.

Or, on some systems (mostly laptops), the beep is hooked up to the
codec automatically no matter whether you set
CONFIG_SND_HDA_INPUT_BEEP once when the codec chip is initialized.
So, the behavior depends pretty much on the hardware implementation.


Takashi

Re: PC speaker beeps in 2.6.30?

[Kurt J. Bosch]

On 2009-06-28 10:38, Takashi Iwai wrote:
> At Sat, 27 Jun 2009 23:39:08 -0700,
> Paul Vojta wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 09:36:42AM +0200, Takashi Iwai wrote:
>>> At Fri, 26 Jun 2009 10:03:54 +0400,
>>> Michael Tokarev wrote:
>>>>
>>>> [Adding some more Cc's...]
>>>>
>>>> Am I the only concerned about this?  My 2.6.30 is still
>>>> silent w.r.t. old good PC speaker beeps, and I wasn't
>>>> able to make it to produce any sound.  Yes, as pointed
>>>> out by others there is a control now, in alsa, and I
>>>> can hear ugly and scary beeps from my stereo speakers
>>>> (when they're turned on and when the control is un-muted).
>>>> But that's.. not a solution/answer to the original
>>>> question... ;)
>>>
>>> Try 2.6.31-rc1.  There was a fix regarding beep frequency.
>>
>> Not necessarily.  Based on the OP's original post, as well as his mails
>> to the LKML (Google the subject line to find them), he has a desktop
>> system with external powered speakers connected to a sound card, and also
>> a small PC speaker inside the system case.  He wants to hear the beeps
>> coming out of the small speaker, since the external speakers (and/or sound
>> card) are not always turned on.
>
> To avoid someone misunderstanding: the beep routed through HD-audio
> can also go to the built-in speaker.  It's just mixed up with the
> normal audio output, and the volume is controlled via ALSA mixer
> volume element.
>
> But, once after it's hooked up to the codec, the beep can't be output
> separately to the speaker.  It's always with other audio signal to the
> same output target.
>
> Or, on some systems (mostly laptops), the beep is hooked up to the
> codec automatically no matter whether you set
> CONFIG_SND_HDA_INPUT_BEEP once when the codec chip is initialized.
> So, the behavior depends pretty much on the hardware implementation.
>
I face the same problem as the OP since kernel 2.6.30 on ArchLinux on
a desktop machine. I was able to get beep working through the built in
speaker again by doing a 'modprobe -r pcspkr' followed by a
'modprobe pcspkr' after sysinit. It seems there is some kind of
struggle goinig on here between alsa and pcspkr. Isn't there any
kernel line or modules configuration option to disable the alsa pc-beep?

Re: PC speaker beeps in 2.6.30?

[Paul Vojta]

On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 01:09:26PM +0200, Kurt J. Bosch wrote:
> On 2009-06-28 10:38, Takashi Iwai wrote:
> > At Sat, 27 Jun 2009 23:39:08 -0700,
> > Paul Vojta wrote:
> >>
> >> On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 09:36:42AM +0200, Takashi Iwai wrote:
> >>> At Fri, 26 Jun 2009 10:03:54 +0400,
> >>> Michael Tokarev wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> [Adding some more Cc's...]
> >>>>
> >>>> Am I the only concerned about this?  My 2.6.30 is still
> >>>> silent w.r.t. old good PC speaker beeps, and I wasn't
> >>>> able to make it to produce any sound.  Yes, as pointed
> >>>> out by others there is a control now, in alsa, and I
> >>>> can hear ugly and scary beeps from my stereo speakers
> >>>> (when they're turned on and when the control is un-muted).
> >>>> But that's.. not a solution/answer to the original
> >>>> question... ;)
> >>>
> >>> Try 2.6.31-rc1.  There was a fix regarding beep frequency.
> >>
> >> Not necessarily.  Based on the OP's original post, as well as his mails
> >> to the LKML (Google the subject line to find them), he has a desktop
> >> system with external powered speakers connected to a sound card, and also
> >> a small PC speaker inside the system case.  He wants to hear the beeps
> >> coming out of the small speaker, since the external speakers (and/or sound
> >> card) are not always turned on.
> >
> > To avoid someone misunderstanding: the beep routed through HD-audio
> > can also go to the built-in speaker.  It's just mixed up with the
> > normal audio output, and the volume is controlled via ALSA mixer
> > volume element.
> >
> > But, once after it's hooked up to the codec, the beep can't be output
> > separately to the speaker.  It's always with other audio signal to the
> > same output target.
> >
> > Or, on some systems (mostly laptops), the beep is hooked up to the
> > codec automatically no matter whether you set
> > CONFIG_SND_HDA_INPUT_BEEP once when the codec chip is initialized.
> > So, the behavior depends pretty much on the hardware implementation.
> >
> I face the same problem as the OP since kernel 2.6.30 on ArchLinux on
> a desktop machine. I was able to get beep working through the built in
> speaker again by doing a 'modprobe -r pcspkr' followed by a
> 'modprobe pcspkr' after sysinit. It seems there is some kind of
> struggle goinig on here between alsa and pcspkr. Isn't there any
> kernel line or modules configuration option to disable the alsa pc-beep?

Hm... apparently not.  Probably there should be a module option for this, though.

--Paul Vojta, vojta@math.berkeley.edu

Re: PC speaker beeps in 2.6.30?

[Takashi Iwai]

At Mon, 29 Jun 2009 16:24:14 -0700,
Paul Vojta wrote:
> 
> On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 01:09:26PM +0200, Kurt J. Bosch wrote:
> > On 2009-06-28 10:38, Takashi Iwai wrote:
> > > At Sat, 27 Jun 2009 23:39:08 -0700,
> > > Paul Vojta wrote:
> > >>
> > >> On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 09:36:42AM +0200, Takashi Iwai wrote:
> > >>> At Fri, 26 Jun 2009 10:03:54 +0400,
> > >>> Michael Tokarev wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> [Adding some more Cc's...]
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Am I the only concerned about this?  My 2.6.30 is still
> > >>>> silent w.r.t. old good PC speaker beeps, and I wasn't
> > >>>> able to make it to produce any sound.  Yes, as pointed
> > >>>> out by others there is a control now, in alsa, and I
> > >>>> can hear ugly and scary beeps from my stereo speakers
> > >>>> (when they're turned on and when the control is un-muted).
> > >>>> But that's.. not a solution/answer to the original
> > >>>> question... ;)
> > >>>
> > >>> Try 2.6.31-rc1.  There was a fix regarding beep frequency.
> > >>
> > >> Not necessarily.  Based on the OP's original post, as well as his mails
> > >> to the LKML (Google the subject line to find them), he has a desktop
> > >> system with external powered speakers connected to a sound card, and also
> > >> a small PC speaker inside the system case.  He wants to hear the beeps
> > >> coming out of the small speaker, since the external speakers (and/or sound
> > >> card) are not always turned on.
> > >
> > > To avoid someone misunderstanding: the beep routed through HD-audio
> > > can also go to the built-in speaker.  It's just mixed up with the
> > > normal audio output, and the volume is controlled via ALSA mixer
> > > volume element.
> > >
> > > But, once after it's hooked up to the codec, the beep can't be output
> > > separately to the speaker.  It's always with other audio signal to the
> > > same output target.
> > >
> > > Or, on some systems (mostly laptops), the beep is hooked up to the
> > > codec automatically no matter whether you set
> > > CONFIG_SND_HDA_INPUT_BEEP once when the codec chip is initialized.
> > > So, the behavior depends pretty much on the hardware implementation.
> > >
> > I face the same problem as the OP since kernel 2.6.30 on ArchLinux on
> > a desktop machine. I was able to get beep working through the built in
> > speaker again by doing a 'modprobe -r pcspkr' followed by a
> > 'modprobe pcspkr' after sysinit. It seems there is some kind of
> > struggle goinig on here between alsa and pcspkr. Isn't there any
> > kernel line or modules configuration option to disable the alsa pc-beep?
> 
> Hm... apparently not.  Probably there should be a module option for this, though.

In the latest sound git tree, you can use "patch" file (passed via
module option) to specify codec-specific setup.
It's for 2.6.32, though.


Takashi

Re: PC speaker beeps in 2.6.30?

[Kurt J. Bosch]

On 2009-06-30 07:57, Takashi Iwai wrote:
> At Mon, 29 Jun 2009 16:24:14 -0700,
> Paul Vojta wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 01:09:26PM +0200, Kurt J. Bosch wrote:
>>> On 2009-06-28 10:38, Takashi Iwai wrote:
>>>> At Sat, 27 Jun 2009 23:39:08 -0700,
>>>> Paul Vojta wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 09:36:42AM +0200, Takashi Iwai wrote:
>>>>>> At Fri, 26 Jun 2009 10:03:54 +0400,
>>>>>> Michael Tokarev wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [Adding some more Cc's...]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Am I the only concerned about this?  My 2.6.30 is still
>>>>>>> silent w.r.t. old good PC speaker beeps, and I wasn't
>>>>>>> able to make it to produce any sound.  Yes, as pointed
>>>>>>> out by others there is a control now, in alsa, and I
>>>>>>> can hear ugly and scary beeps from my stereo speakers
>>>>>>> (when they're turned on and when the control is un-muted).
>>>>>>> But that's.. not a solution/answer to the original
>>>>>>> question... ;)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Try 2.6.31-rc1.  There was a fix regarding beep frequency.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not necessarily.  Based on the OP's original post, as well as his mails
>>>>> to the LKML (Google the subject line to find them), he has a desktop
>>>>> system with external powered speakers connected to a sound card, and also
>>>>> a small PC speaker inside the system case.  He wants to hear the beeps
>>>>> coming out of the small speaker, since the external speakers (and/or sound
>>>>> card) are not always turned on.
>>>>
>>>> To avoid someone misunderstanding: the beep routed through HD-audio
>>>> can also go to the built-in speaker.  It's just mixed up with the
>>>> normal audio output, and the volume is controlled via ALSA mixer
>>>> volume element.
>>>>
>>>> But, once after it's hooked up to the codec, the beep can't be output
>>>> separately to the speaker.  It's always with other audio signal to the
>>>> same output target.
>>>>
>>>> Or, on some systems (mostly laptops), the beep is hooked up to the
>>>> codec automatically no matter whether you set
>>>> CONFIG_SND_HDA_INPUT_BEEP once when the codec chip is initialized.
>>>> So, the behavior depends pretty much on the hardware implementation.
>>>>
>>> I face the same problem as the OP since kernel 2.6.30 on ArchLinux on
>>> a desktop machine. I was able to get beep working through the built in
>>> speaker again by doing a 'modprobe -r pcspkr' followed by a
>>> 'modprobe pcspkr' after sysinit. It seems there is some kind of
>>> struggle goinig on here between alsa and pcspkr. Isn't there any
>>> kernel line or modules configuration option to disable the alsa pc-beep?
>>
>> Hm... apparently not.  Probably there should be a module option for this, though.
>
> In the latest sound git tree, you can use "patch" file (passed via
> module option) to specify codec-specific setup.
> It's for 2.6.32, though.
>
Sounds rather complicated to me. :)
ALSA's snd-hda-intel is stealing the beeps allready 'owned' by pcspkr. 
It does
this every time it gets [re]loaded. Doing so while lacking a 
configuration option
to disable that behavior is a bug IMHO. (If you use beep to get some alarm
notification from hardware sensors or such you will depend on stereo 
speakers
connected and powered on.) Do I miss something ?

Re: PC speaker beeps in 2.6.30?

[Takashi Iwai]

At Tue, 30 Jun 2009 13:31:07 +0200,
Kurt J. Bosch wrote:
> 
> On 2009-06-30 07:57, Takashi Iwai wrote:
> > At Mon, 29 Jun 2009 16:24:14 -0700,
> > Paul Vojta wrote:
> >>
> >> On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 01:09:26PM +0200, Kurt J. Bosch wrote:
> >>> On 2009-06-28 10:38, Takashi Iwai wrote:
> >>>> At Sat, 27 Jun 2009 23:39:08 -0700,
> >>>> Paul Vojta wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 09:36:42AM +0200, Takashi Iwai wrote:
> >>>>>> At Fri, 26 Jun 2009 10:03:54 +0400,
> >>>>>> Michael Tokarev wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> [Adding some more Cc's...]
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Am I the only concerned about this?  My 2.6.30 is still
> >>>>>>> silent w.r.t. old good PC speaker beeps, and I wasn't
> >>>>>>> able to make it to produce any sound.  Yes, as pointed
> >>>>>>> out by others there is a control now, in alsa, and I
> >>>>>>> can hear ugly and scary beeps from my stereo speakers
> >>>>>>> (when they're turned on and when the control is un-muted).
> >>>>>>> But that's.. not a solution/answer to the original
> >>>>>>> question... ;)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Try 2.6.31-rc1.  There was a fix regarding beep frequency.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Not necessarily.  Based on the OP's original post, as well as his mails
> >>>>> to the LKML (Google the subject line to find them), he has a desktop
> >>>>> system with external powered speakers connected to a sound card, and also
> >>>>> a small PC speaker inside the system case.  He wants to hear the beeps
> >>>>> coming out of the small speaker, since the external speakers (and/or sound
> >>>>> card) are not always turned on.
> >>>>
> >>>> To avoid someone misunderstanding: the beep routed through HD-audio
> >>>> can also go to the built-in speaker.  It's just mixed up with the
> >>>> normal audio output, and the volume is controlled via ALSA mixer
> >>>> volume element.
> >>>>
> >>>> But, once after it's hooked up to the codec, the beep can't be output
> >>>> separately to the speaker.  It's always with other audio signal to the
> >>>> same output target.
> >>>>
> >>>> Or, on some systems (mostly laptops), the beep is hooked up to the
> >>>> codec automatically no matter whether you set
> >>>> CONFIG_SND_HDA_INPUT_BEEP once when the codec chip is initialized.
> >>>> So, the behavior depends pretty much on the hardware implementation.
> >>>>
> >>> I face the same problem as the OP since kernel 2.6.30 on ArchLinux on
> >>> a desktop machine. I was able to get beep working through the built in
> >>> speaker again by doing a 'modprobe -r pcspkr' followed by a
> >>> 'modprobe pcspkr' after sysinit. It seems there is some kind of
> >>> struggle goinig on here between alsa and pcspkr. Isn't there any
> >>> kernel line or modules configuration option to disable the alsa pc-beep?
> >>
> >> Hm... apparently not.  Probably there should be a module option for this, though.
> >
> > In the latest sound git tree, you can use "patch" file (passed via
> > module option) to specify codec-specific setup.
> > It's for 2.6.32, though.
> >
> Sounds rather complicated to me. :)
> ALSA's snd-hda-intel is stealing the beeps allready 'owned' by pcspkr. 

It just adds another beep input device.

> It does
> this every time it gets [re]loaded. Doing so while lacking a 
> configuration option
> to disable that behavior is a bug IMHO.

There is a configuration option.

> (If you use beep to get some alarm
> notification from hardware sensors or such you will depend on stereo 
> speakers
> connected and powered on.) Do I miss something ?

Yes.


Takashi

Re: PC speaker beeps in 2.6.30?

[Kurt J. Bosch]

On 2009-06-30 14:53, Takashi Iwai wrote:
> At Tue, 30 Jun 2009 13:31:07 +0200,
> Kurt J. Bosch wrote:
>>
>> On 2009-06-30 07:57, Takashi Iwai wrote:
>>> At Mon, 29 Jun 2009 16:24:14 -0700,
>>> Paul Vojta wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 01:09:26PM +0200, Kurt J. Bosch wrote:
>>>>> On 2009-06-28 10:38, Takashi Iwai wrote:
>>>>>> At Sat, 27 Jun 2009 23:39:08 -0700,
>>>>>> Paul Vojta wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 09:36:42AM +0200, Takashi Iwai wrote:
>>>>>>>> At Fri, 26 Jun 2009 10:03:54 +0400,
>>>>>>>> Michael Tokarev wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> [Adding some more Cc's...]
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Am I the only concerned about this?  My 2.6.30 is still
>>>>>>>>> silent w.r.t. old good PC speaker beeps, and I wasn't
>>>>>>>>> able to make it to produce any sound.  Yes, as pointed
>>>>>>>>> out by others there is a control now, in alsa, and I
>>>>>>>>> can hear ugly and scary beeps from my stereo speakers
>>>>>>>>> (when they're turned on and when the control is un-muted).
>>>>>>>>> But that's.. not a solution/answer to the original
>>>>>>>>> question... ;)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Try 2.6.31-rc1.  There was a fix regarding beep frequency.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not necessarily.  Based on the OP's original post, as well as his mails
>>>>>>> to the LKML (Google the subject line to find them), he has a desktop
>>>>>>> system with external powered speakers connected to a sound card, and also
>>>>>>> a small PC speaker inside the system case.  He wants to hear the beeps
>>>>>>> coming out of the small speaker, since the external speakers (and/or sound
>>>>>>> card) are not always turned on.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To avoid someone misunderstanding: the beep routed through HD-audio
>>>>>> can also go to the built-in speaker.  It's just mixed up with the
>>>>>> normal audio output, and the volume is controlled via ALSA mixer
>>>>>> volume element.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But, once after it's hooked up to the codec, the beep can't be output
>>>>>> separately to the speaker.  It's always with other audio signal to the
>>>>>> same output target.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Or, on some systems (mostly laptops), the beep is hooked up to the
>>>>>> codec automatically no matter whether you set
>>>>>> CONFIG_SND_HDA_INPUT_BEEP once when the codec chip is initialized.
>>>>>> So, the behavior depends pretty much on the hardware implementation.
>>>>>>
>>>>> I face the same problem as the OP since kernel 2.6.30 on ArchLinux on
>>>>> a desktop machine. I was able to get beep working through the built in
>>>>> speaker again by doing a 'modprobe -r pcspkr' followed by a
>>>>> 'modprobe pcspkr' after sysinit. It seems there is some kind of
>>>>> struggle goinig on here between alsa and pcspkr. Isn't there any
>>>>> kernel line or modules configuration option to disable the alsa pc-beep?
>>>>
>>>> Hm... apparently not.  Probably there should be a module option for this, though.
>>>
>>> In the latest sound git tree, you can use "patch" file (passed via
>>> module option) to specify codec-specific setup.
>>> It's for 2.6.32, though.
>>>
>> Sounds rather complicated to me. :)
>> ALSA's snd-hda-intel is stealing the beeps allready 'owned' by pcspkr.
>
> It just adds another beep input device.
>
If that is true both should sound in parallel and then I had to file a bug
against ArchLinux ?

>> It does
>> this every time it gets [re]loaded. Doing so while lacking a
>> configuration option
>> to disable that behavior is a bug IMHO.
>
> There is a configuration option.
>
But not for the kernel cmdline, right. ;)

>> (If you use beep to get some alarm
>> notification from hardware sensors or such you will depend on stereo
>> speakers
>> connected and powered on.) Do I miss something ?
>
> Yes.
>
Patching drivers and building my own kernels again as in the old days ?

Re: PC speaker beeps in 2.6.30?

[Takashi Iwai]

At Tue, 30 Jun 2009 17:35:00 +0200,
Kurt J. Bosch wrote:
> 
> On 2009-06-30 14:53, Takashi Iwai wrote:
> > At Tue, 30 Jun 2009 13:31:07 +0200,
> > Kurt J. Bosch wrote:
> >>
> >> On 2009-06-30 07:57, Takashi Iwai wrote:
> >>> At Mon, 29 Jun 2009 16:24:14 -0700,
> >>> Paul Vojta wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 01:09:26PM +0200, Kurt J. Bosch wrote:
> >>>>> On 2009-06-28 10:38, Takashi Iwai wrote:
> >>>>>> At Sat, 27 Jun 2009 23:39:08 -0700,
> >>>>>> Paul Vojta wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 09:36:42AM +0200, Takashi Iwai wrote:
> >>>>>>>> At Fri, 26 Jun 2009 10:03:54 +0400,
> >>>>>>>> Michael Tokarev wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> [Adding some more Cc's...]
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Am I the only concerned about this?  My 2.6.30 is still
> >>>>>>>>> silent w.r.t. old good PC speaker beeps, and I wasn't
> >>>>>>>>> able to make it to produce any sound.  Yes, as pointed
> >>>>>>>>> out by others there is a control now, in alsa, and I
> >>>>>>>>> can hear ugly and scary beeps from my stereo speakers
> >>>>>>>>> (when they're turned on and when the control is un-muted).
> >>>>>>>>> But that's.. not a solution/answer to the original
> >>>>>>>>> question... ;)
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Try 2.6.31-rc1.  There was a fix regarding beep frequency.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Not necessarily.  Based on the OP's original post, as well as his mails
> >>>>>>> to the LKML (Google the subject line to find them), he has a desktop
> >>>>>>> system with external powered speakers connected to a sound card, and also
> >>>>>>> a small PC speaker inside the system case.  He wants to hear the beeps
> >>>>>>> coming out of the small speaker, since the external speakers (and/or sound
> >>>>>>> card) are not always turned on.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> To avoid someone misunderstanding: the beep routed through HD-audio
> >>>>>> can also go to the built-in speaker.  It's just mixed up with the
> >>>>>> normal audio output, and the volume is controlled via ALSA mixer
> >>>>>> volume element.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> But, once after it's hooked up to the codec, the beep can't be output
> >>>>>> separately to the speaker.  It's always with other audio signal to the
> >>>>>> same output target.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Or, on some systems (mostly laptops), the beep is hooked up to the
> >>>>>> codec automatically no matter whether you set
> >>>>>> CONFIG_SND_HDA_INPUT_BEEP once when the codec chip is initialized.
> >>>>>> So, the behavior depends pretty much on the hardware implementation.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> I face the same problem as the OP since kernel 2.6.30 on ArchLinux on
> >>>>> a desktop machine. I was able to get beep working through the built in
> >>>>> speaker again by doing a 'modprobe -r pcspkr' followed by a
> >>>>> 'modprobe pcspkr' after sysinit. It seems there is some kind of
> >>>>> struggle goinig on here between alsa and pcspkr. Isn't there any
> >>>>> kernel line or modules configuration option to disable the alsa pc-beep?
> >>>>
> >>>> Hm... apparently not.  Probably there should be a module option for this, though.
> >>>
> >>> In the latest sound git tree, you can use "patch" file (passed via
> >>> module option) to specify codec-specific setup.
> >>> It's for 2.6.32, though.
> >>>
> >> Sounds rather complicated to me. :)
> >> ALSA's snd-hda-intel is stealing the beeps allready 'owned' by pcspkr.
> >
> > It just adds another beep input device.
> >
> If that is true both should sound in parallel and then I had to file a bug
> against ArchLinux ?

It's a feature.

> >> It does
> >> this every time it gets [re]loaded. Doing so while lacking a
> >> configuration option
> >> to disable that behavior is a bug IMHO.
> >
> > There is a configuration option.
> >
> But not for the kernel cmdline, right. ;)

But you can do it via patch module option (in the later kernel).

> >> (If you use beep to get some alarm
> >> notification from hardware sensors or such you will depend on stereo
> >> speakers
> >> connected and powered on.) Do I miss something ?
> >
> > Yes.
> >
> Patching drivers and building my own kernels again as in the old days ?

Why not?


Takashi

Re: PC speaker beeps in 2.6.30?

[Kurt J. Bosch]

On 2009-06-30 17:40, Takashi Iwai wrote:
> At Tue, 30 Jun 2009 17:35:00 +0200,
> Kurt J. Bosch wrote:
>>
>> On 2009-06-30 14:53, Takashi Iwai wrote:
>>> At Tue, 30 Jun 2009 13:31:07 +0200,
>>> Kurt J. Bosch wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 2009-06-30 07:57, Takashi Iwai wrote:
>>>>> At Mon, 29 Jun 2009 16:24:14 -0700,
>>>>> Paul Vojta wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 01:09:26PM +0200, Kurt J. Bosch wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2009-06-28 10:38, Takashi Iwai wrote:
>>>>>>>> At Sat, 27 Jun 2009 23:39:08 -0700,
>>>>>>>> Paul Vojta wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 09:36:42AM +0200, Takashi Iwai wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> At Fri, 26 Jun 2009 10:03:54 +0400,
>>>>>>>>>> Michael Tokarev wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> [Adding some more Cc's...]
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Am I the only concerned about this?  My 2.6.30 is still
>>>>>>>>>>> silent w.r.t. old good PC speaker beeps, and I wasn't
>>>>>>>>>>> able to make it to produce any sound.  Yes, as pointed
>>>>>>>>>>> out by others there is a control now, in alsa, and I
>>>>>>>>>>> can hear ugly and scary beeps from my stereo speakers
>>>>>>>>>>> (when they're turned on and when the control is un-muted).
>>>>>>>>>>> But that's.. not a solution/answer to the original
>>>>>>>>>>> question... ;)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Try 2.6.31-rc1.  There was a fix regarding beep frequency.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Not necessarily.  Based on the OP's original post, as well as his mails
>>>>>>>>> to the LKML (Google the subject line to find them), he has a desktop
>>>>>>>>> system with external powered speakers connected to a sound card, and also
>>>>>>>>> a small PC speaker inside the system case.  He wants to hear the beeps
>>>>>>>>> coming out of the small speaker, since the external speakers (and/or sound
>>>>>>>>> card) are not always turned on.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> To avoid someone misunderstanding: the beep routed through HD-audio
>>>>>>>> can also go to the built-in speaker.  It's just mixed up with the
>>>>>>>> normal audio output, and the volume is controlled via ALSA mixer
>>>>>>>> volume element.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But, once after it's hooked up to the codec, the beep can't be output
>>>>>>>> separately to the speaker.  It's always with other audio signal to the
>>>>>>>> same output target.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Or, on some systems (mostly laptops), the beep is hooked up to the
>>>>>>>> codec automatically no matter whether you set
>>>>>>>> CONFIG_SND_HDA_INPUT_BEEP once when the codec chip is initialized.
>>>>>>>> So, the behavior depends pretty much on the hardware implementation.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I face the same problem as the OP since kernel 2.6.30 on ArchLinux on
>>>>>>> a desktop machine. I was able to get beep working through the built in
>>>>>>> speaker again by doing a 'modprobe -r pcspkr' followed by a
>>>>>>> 'modprobe pcspkr' after sysinit. It seems there is some kind of
>>>>>>> struggle goinig on here between alsa and pcspkr. Isn't there any
>>>>>>> kernel line or modules configuration option to disable the alsa pc-beep?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hm... apparently not.  Probably there should be a module option for this, though.
>>>>>
>>>>> In the latest sound git tree, you can use "patch" file (passed via
>>>>> module option) to specify codec-specific setup.
>>>>> It's for 2.6.32, though.
>>>>>
>>>> Sounds rather complicated to me. :)
>>>> ALSA's snd-hda-intel is stealing the beeps allready 'owned' by pcspkr.
>>>
>>> It just adds another beep input device.
>>>
>> If that is true both should sound in parallel and then I had to file a bug
>> against ArchLinux ?
>
> It's a feature.

If one module stealing functionality from the other an vice versa is a 
feature
now than I think Linux became some kind of funny video game (like pong) 
now. LoL
>
>>>> It does
>>>> this every time it gets [re]loaded. Doing so while lacking a
>>>> configuration option
>>>> to disable that behavior is a bug IMHO.
>>>
>>> There is a configuration option.
>>>
>> But not for the kernel cmdline, right. ;)
>
> But you can do it via patch module option (in the later kernel).
>
Later kernel ? That's why I keep the earlier kernel packages for
downgrading. ;)
>
>>>> (If you use beep to get some alarm
>>>> notification from hardware sensors or such you will depend on stereo
>>>> speakers
>>>> connected and powered on.) Do I miss something ?
>>>
>>> Yes.
>>>
>> Patching drivers and building my own kernels again as in the old days ?
>
> Why not?

Do you build all your machines (including type writers ans dish washers)
yourself ? :D

Have fun ! Cheers kujub

Re: PC speaker beeps in 2.6.30?

[Takashi Iwai]

At Tue, 30 Jun 2009 18:31:30 +0200,
Kurt J. Bosch wrote:
> 
> On 2009-06-30 17:40, Takashi Iwai wrote:
> > At Tue, 30 Jun 2009 17:35:00 +0200,
> > Kurt J. Bosch wrote:
> >>
> >> On 2009-06-30 14:53, Takashi Iwai wrote:
> >>> At Tue, 30 Jun 2009 13:31:07 +0200,
> >>> Kurt J. Bosch wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> On 2009-06-30 07:57, Takashi Iwai wrote:
> >>>>> At Mon, 29 Jun 2009 16:24:14 -0700,
> >>>>> Paul Vojta wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 01:09:26PM +0200, Kurt J. Bosch wrote:
> >>>>>>> On 2009-06-28 10:38, Takashi Iwai wrote:
> >>>>>>>> At Sat, 27 Jun 2009 23:39:08 -0700,
> >>>>>>>> Paul Vojta wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 09:36:42AM +0200, Takashi Iwai wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> At Fri, 26 Jun 2009 10:03:54 +0400,
> >>>>>>>>>> Michael Tokarev wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> [Adding some more Cc's...]
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Am I the only concerned about this?  My 2.6.30 is still
> >>>>>>>>>>> silent w.r.t. old good PC speaker beeps, and I wasn't
> >>>>>>>>>>> able to make it to produce any sound.  Yes, as pointed
> >>>>>>>>>>> out by others there is a control now, in alsa, and I
> >>>>>>>>>>> can hear ugly and scary beeps from my stereo speakers
> >>>>>>>>>>> (when they're turned on and when the control is un-muted).
> >>>>>>>>>>> But that's.. not a solution/answer to the original
> >>>>>>>>>>> question... ;)
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Try 2.6.31-rc1.  There was a fix regarding beep frequency.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Not necessarily.  Based on the OP's original post, as well as his mails
> >>>>>>>>> to the LKML (Google the subject line to find them), he has a desktop
> >>>>>>>>> system with external powered speakers connected to a sound card, and also
> >>>>>>>>> a small PC speaker inside the system case.  He wants to hear the beeps
> >>>>>>>>> coming out of the small speaker, since the external speakers (and/or sound
> >>>>>>>>> card) are not always turned on.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> To avoid someone misunderstanding: the beep routed through HD-audio
> >>>>>>>> can also go to the built-in speaker.  It's just mixed up with the
> >>>>>>>> normal audio output, and the volume is controlled via ALSA mixer
> >>>>>>>> volume element.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> But, once after it's hooked up to the codec, the beep can't be output
> >>>>>>>> separately to the speaker.  It's always with other audio signal to the
> >>>>>>>> same output target.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Or, on some systems (mostly laptops), the beep is hooked up to the
> >>>>>>>> codec automatically no matter whether you set
> >>>>>>>> CONFIG_SND_HDA_INPUT_BEEP once when the codec chip is initialized.
> >>>>>>>> So, the behavior depends pretty much on the hardware implementation.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I face the same problem as the OP since kernel 2.6.30 on ArchLinux on
> >>>>>>> a desktop machine. I was able to get beep working through the built in
> >>>>>>> speaker again by doing a 'modprobe -r pcspkr' followed by a
> >>>>>>> 'modprobe pcspkr' after sysinit. It seems there is some kind of
> >>>>>>> struggle goinig on here between alsa and pcspkr. Isn't there any
> >>>>>>> kernel line or modules configuration option to disable the alsa pc-beep?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Hm... apparently not.  Probably there should be a module option for this, though.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> In the latest sound git tree, you can use "patch" file (passed via
> >>>>> module option) to specify codec-specific setup.
> >>>>> It's for 2.6.32, though.
> >>>>>
> >>>> Sounds rather complicated to me. :)
> >>>> ALSA's snd-hda-intel is stealing the beeps allready 'owned' by pcspkr.
> >>>
> >>> It just adds another beep input device.
> >>>
> >> If that is true both should sound in parallel and then I had to file a bug
> >> against ArchLinux ?
> >
> > It's a feature.
> 
> If one module stealing functionality from the other an vice versa is a 
> feature
> now than I think Linux became some kind of funny video game (like pong) 
> now. LoL

Yes.  It's a designed behavior.  One calls it a "feature".
A feature can be of course bad, worse than other behavior.
But it's a different story.

> >>>> It does
> >>>> this every time it gets [re]loaded. Doing so while lacking a
> >>>> configuration option
> >>>> to disable that behavior is a bug IMHO.
> >>>
> >>> There is a configuration option.
> >>>
> >> But not for the kernel cmdline, right. ;)
> >
> > But you can do it via patch module option (in the later kernel).
> >
> Later kernel ? That's why I keep the earlier kernel packages for
> downgrading. ;)

I guess it's not packaged by distros.

> >>>> (If you use beep to get some alarm
> >>>> notification from hardware sensors or such you will depend on stereo
> >>>> speakers
> >>>> connected and powered on.) Do I miss something ?
> >>>
> >>> Yes.
> >>>
> >> Patching drivers and building my own kernels again as in the old days ?
> >
> > Why not?
> 
> Do you build all your machines (including type writers ans dish washers)
> yourself ? :D

If I need to hack to achieve another feature, I'd do.  Seriously.
That's a goodness of open source.


Takashi