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From: David Henningsson <david.henningsson@canonical.com>
To: Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de>, Lars-Peter Clausen <lars@metafoo.de>
Cc: Raymond Yau <superquad.vortex2@gmail.com>,
	ALSA Development Mailing List <alsa-devel@alsa-project.org>,
	clemens@ladisch.de, Tanu Kaskinen <tanu.kaskinen@linux.intel.com>,
	Arun Raghavan <arun@accosted.net>
Subject: Re: PulseAudio and SNDRV_PCM_INFO_BATCH
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2015 17:09:41 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <55818DB5.6050007@canonical.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <s5h4mm68zfm.wl-tiwai@suse.de>



On 2015-06-17 11:19, Takashi Iwai wrote:
> Well, USB-audio has another problem.  USB-audio uses the intermediate
> audio ring buffer, and the samples are copied to each URB buffer.  At
> each packet complete, the driver copies the rest of sample chunk
> again, and advances the hwptr when the packets.  So, the hwptr of
> USB-audio is in advance of the actual sample position.  But we provide
> the runtime delay information for user-space to correct to the more
> accurate sample position.  So far, so good.
>
> A missing piece in this picture is, however, the position of the
> not-yet-queued samples in ring buffer.  Basically you can rewrite /
> rewind the sample at most this point, but not farther -- such
> in-flight samples can't be modified any longer.  This can be seen a
> kind of hardware fifo with a pretty big and non-continuously variable
> size during operation.
>
> In that sense, get_fifo() looks like a candidate for giving such
> information, indeed.  But reviving the old (and rather bad working)
> API appears dangerous to me.  I'd prefer creating a new API function
> instead, if any.
>
> BTW, because of its design like above, a large (or no) period size
> doesn't help for saving power at all with USB-audio.  This should be
> considered before the further discussion...

Hmm...I was trying to understand this power save argument. I tried to 
figure out a "typical" URB size by just plugging my headset in, and I 
saw wMaxPacketSize being 96 and/or 192 bytes.
Then, MAX_PACKS is set to either 6 (or 48 for USB 2.0 devices, but this 
is just a headset).

Can this be correct? Does it mean that we are getting interrupts every 
192 * 6 bytes (i e, every 6 ms for a 48kHz/stereo/16bit stream)?


-- 
David Henningsson, Canonical Ltd.
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  reply	other threads:[~2015-06-17 15:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-06-12 12:29 PulseAudio and SNDRV_PCM_INFO_BATCH Arun Raghavan
2015-06-12 12:32 ` Arun Raghavan
2015-06-12 13:43   ` Alexander E. Patrakov
2015-06-12 13:57     ` Alexander E. Patrakov
2015-06-17  3:04     ` Raymond Yau
2015-06-17  3:38       ` Alexander E. Patrakov
2015-06-15  3:42   ` Raymond Yau
2015-06-15  8:03 ` Lars-Peter Clausen
2015-06-15 11:39   ` Raymond Yau
2015-06-15 12:01     ` Lars-Peter Clausen
2015-06-15 13:34       ` Raymond Yau
2015-06-15 14:16         ` Lars-Peter Clausen
2015-06-16  2:33           ` Raymond Yau
2015-06-17  8:27             ` Lars-Peter Clausen
2015-06-17  9:19               ` Takashi Iwai
2015-06-17 15:09                 ` David Henningsson [this message]
2015-06-17 16:48                   ` Alexander E. Patrakov
2015-06-18  3:15                     ` Raymond Yau
2015-06-19 11:19                       ` Alexander E. Patrakov
2015-06-19  1:17                   ` Raymond Yau
2015-06-19 11:32                   ` Takashi Iwai
2015-06-20  3:24                     ` Raymond Yau
2015-06-20  6:17                     ` Raymond Yau
2015-06-22  2:35           ` Raymond Yau
2015-06-22  6:43             ` Lars-Peter Clausen
2015-06-22  7:49               ` Raymond Yau
2015-06-22  9:41               ` Clemens Ladisch
2015-06-22 11:54                 ` Raymond Yau
2015-06-22 12:10                   ` Alexander E. Patrakov
2015-06-22 12:34                     ` Raymond Yau
2015-06-22 12:49                       ` Alexander E. Patrakov
2015-06-22 15:50                         ` Raymond Yau
2015-06-22 16:28                           ` Alexander E. Patrakov
2015-06-24  5:51                             ` Raymond Yau
2015-06-22 22:52                     ` Takashi Sakamoto
2015-06-27 15:28   ` Alexander E. Patrakov
2015-06-27 17:15     ` Clemens Ladisch
2015-06-27 17:58       ` Alexander E. Patrakov
2015-06-28  2:09         ` Raymond Yau

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