From: David Henningsson <david.henningsson@canonical.com>
To: Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de>, Lars-Peter Clausen <lars@metafoo.de>
Cc: Raymond Yau <superquad.vortex2@gmail.com>,
ALSA Development Mailing List <alsa-devel@alsa-project.org>,
clemens@ladisch.de, Tanu Kaskinen <tanu.kaskinen@linux.intel.com>,
Arun Raghavan <arun@accosted.net>
Subject: Re: PulseAudio and SNDRV_PCM_INFO_BATCH
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2015 17:09:41 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <55818DB5.6050007@canonical.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <s5h4mm68zfm.wl-tiwai@suse.de>
On 2015-06-17 11:19, Takashi Iwai wrote:
> Well, USB-audio has another problem. USB-audio uses the intermediate
> audio ring buffer, and the samples are copied to each URB buffer. At
> each packet complete, the driver copies the rest of sample chunk
> again, and advances the hwptr when the packets. So, the hwptr of
> USB-audio is in advance of the actual sample position. But we provide
> the runtime delay information for user-space to correct to the more
> accurate sample position. So far, so good.
>
> A missing piece in this picture is, however, the position of the
> not-yet-queued samples in ring buffer. Basically you can rewrite /
> rewind the sample at most this point, but not farther -- such
> in-flight samples can't be modified any longer. This can be seen a
> kind of hardware fifo with a pretty big and non-continuously variable
> size during operation.
>
> In that sense, get_fifo() looks like a candidate for giving such
> information, indeed. But reviving the old (and rather bad working)
> API appears dangerous to me. I'd prefer creating a new API function
> instead, if any.
>
> BTW, because of its design like above, a large (or no) period size
> doesn't help for saving power at all with USB-audio. This should be
> considered before the further discussion...
Hmm...I was trying to understand this power save argument. I tried to
figure out a "typical" URB size by just plugging my headset in, and I
saw wMaxPacketSize being 96 and/or 192 bytes.
Then, MAX_PACKS is set to either 6 (or 48 for USB 2.0 devices, but this
is just a headset).
Can this be correct? Does it mean that we are getting interrupts every
192 * 6 bytes (i e, every 6 ms for a 48kHz/stereo/16bit stream)?
--
David Henningsson, Canonical Ltd.
https://launchpad.net/~diwic
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2015-06-17 15:09 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-06-12 12:29 PulseAudio and SNDRV_PCM_INFO_BATCH Arun Raghavan
2015-06-12 12:32 ` Arun Raghavan
2015-06-12 13:43 ` Alexander E. Patrakov
2015-06-12 13:57 ` Alexander E. Patrakov
2015-06-17 3:04 ` Raymond Yau
2015-06-17 3:38 ` Alexander E. Patrakov
2015-06-15 3:42 ` Raymond Yau
2015-06-15 8:03 ` Lars-Peter Clausen
2015-06-15 11:39 ` Raymond Yau
2015-06-15 12:01 ` Lars-Peter Clausen
2015-06-15 13:34 ` Raymond Yau
2015-06-15 14:16 ` Lars-Peter Clausen
2015-06-16 2:33 ` Raymond Yau
2015-06-17 8:27 ` Lars-Peter Clausen
2015-06-17 9:19 ` Takashi Iwai
2015-06-17 15:09 ` David Henningsson [this message]
2015-06-17 16:48 ` Alexander E. Patrakov
2015-06-18 3:15 ` Raymond Yau
2015-06-19 11:19 ` Alexander E. Patrakov
2015-06-19 1:17 ` Raymond Yau
2015-06-19 11:32 ` Takashi Iwai
2015-06-20 3:24 ` Raymond Yau
2015-06-20 6:17 ` Raymond Yau
2015-06-22 2:35 ` Raymond Yau
2015-06-22 6:43 ` Lars-Peter Clausen
2015-06-22 7:49 ` Raymond Yau
2015-06-22 9:41 ` Clemens Ladisch
2015-06-22 11:54 ` Raymond Yau
2015-06-22 12:10 ` Alexander E. Patrakov
2015-06-22 12:34 ` Raymond Yau
2015-06-22 12:49 ` Alexander E. Patrakov
2015-06-22 15:50 ` Raymond Yau
2015-06-22 16:28 ` Alexander E. Patrakov
2015-06-24 5:51 ` Raymond Yau
2015-06-22 22:52 ` Takashi Sakamoto
2015-06-27 15:28 ` Alexander E. Patrakov
2015-06-27 17:15 ` Clemens Ladisch
2015-06-27 17:58 ` Alexander E. Patrakov
2015-06-28 2:09 ` Raymond Yau
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