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From: Keyon <yang.jie@linux.intel.com>
To: David Henningsson <david.henningsson@canonical.com>,
	James Cameron <quozl@laptop.org>,
	alsa-devel@alsa-project.org
Subject: Re: Splitting out controls
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2015 16:27:26 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <561CC06E.8050707@linux.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <561CADA8.3040903@canonical.com>


On 2015年10月13日 15:07, David Henningsson wrote:
>
>
> On 2015-10-12 22:59, James Cameron wrote:
>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 02:49:46PM +0100, Liam Girdwood wrote:
>>> I've written up the minutes here below
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>>> Splitting out controls: Takashi
>>> ===============================
>>>
>>>   - Restricted access.  Consensus to restrict access to some 
>>> controls due
>>> to possibility of breaking HW at kernel level. i.e. prevent feeding
>>> digital Mic into HP amp to prevent speaker over heating.
>>
>> I'd like that.  rt5631.  Avoiding at the moment by removing the 
>> controls.
>
> IIRC, the debate was over "do not expose dangerous controls to 
> userspace at all" vs "expose dangerous controls controls only to root".
>
> I'm strongly voting for "do not expose to userspace at all".
>
> I personally believe that if the physical hardware can be set to state 
> where it's bricked, the hardware itself is buggy.
>
> If the hardware is buggy, this should be worked around in BIOS or 
> whatever firmware is present on the machine. Otherwise there is a bug 
> in BIOS.
>
> If BIOS is buggy and cannot protect the machine from being physically 
> damaged, then we need to work around that in the kernel. Otherwise 
> there is a bug in the kernel.
>
> And if the kernel is buggy, we should fix the kernel. Period. :-)
I agree that also we don't expose dangerous controls at all, or expose 
but do some restraining at codec driver side, e.g. changing dangerous 
setting to save one.
We *cannot* make sure 'root' may know the detail about it and leave the 
risk to him. :)

~Keyon

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  reply	other threads:[~2015-10-13  8:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-10-12 13:49 [Minutes] ELCE Audio mini conf Liam Girdwood
2015-10-12 15:30 ` Jaroslav Kysela
2015-10-12 20:59 ` Splitting out controls James Cameron
2015-10-13  7:07   ` David Henningsson
2015-10-13  8:27     ` Keyon [this message]
2015-10-13 14:55     ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2015-10-13 15:56       ` David Henningsson
2015-10-13 16:08         ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2015-10-16  6:41           ` David Henningsson
2015-10-16 14:49             ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2015-10-16 15:24               ` Richard Fitzgerald
2015-10-30  2:48                 ` Mark Brown
2015-10-16 15:28               ` Takashi Iwai
2015-10-14 18:20         ` Liam Girdwood
2015-10-16 15:35     ` Richard Fitzgerald
2015-10-16 16:00       ` Takashi Iwai
2015-10-16 16:31         ` Richard Fitzgerald
2015-10-16 17:00           ` Takashi Iwai
2015-10-17 15:54         ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2015-10-17 16:02           ` Takashi Iwai
2015-10-18  6:41             ` Ricard Wanderlof
2015-10-30  2:57               ` Mark Brown
2015-10-17 16:25           ` Alexander E. Patrakov
2015-10-30  2:50       ` Mark Brown
2015-10-30  2:36     ` Mark Brown
2015-10-30  8:36       ` David Henningsson
2015-10-30  8:53         ` James Cameron
2015-10-30  9:04           ` David Henningsson
2015-11-01  2:45             ` Mark Brown
2015-10-13 14:09 ` 'BATCH flag for USB' and 'ALSA Core Challenges' Takashi Sakamoto
2015-10-13 14:44   ` Alexander E. Patrakov
2015-10-18  3:22     ` Takashi Sakamoto
2015-10-13 16:01   ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2015-10-14 12:27   ` Liam Girdwood
2015-10-22 17:10 ` [Minutes] ELCE Audio mini conf Mark Brown
2015-10-22 17:14 ` DP hotplug on USB C Mark Brown

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